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Kamen Rider General Discussion - KIWAMI + Unofficial Other Toku General Discussion - GAIDEN

EddisherSound said:
Not enough evidence that they're the actual real world audience apparently
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Uh....How so?

"Future People" have never once showcased the ability to create divine intervention by doing something like turning the souls of Geats's friends into a new power up item. That's never once been displayed in the series proper.

And the film itself is literally interactive with the Live Japanese Audience, hence the 4th wall breaking done by Ziin throughout it. Just like any Stage Show. It's done like that on purpose for those who watched the movie in theaters. AKA the "Real Audience"
 
If Geats Oneness was High 1-A, then Black Geats would scale too due to fighting on par with him, which creates this circular scaling where Oneness = High 1-A = XGeats = God Geats and so on.

I personally don't think that being empowered by the audience alone would be enough to say that they're on the same level of existence as RL audiences. They do get stronger from being cheered on, sure, but High 1-A tier jump is a bit of a leap imo. It's why stageshow Riders don't automatically get High 1-A for audience empowerment.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
If Geats Oneness was High 1-A, then Black Geats would scale too due to fighting on par with him, which creates this circular scaling where Oneness = High 1-A = XGeats = God Geats and so on.
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I see what you mean, yeah.

But to be fair, X-Geats didn't just have Geats's powers alone. He also had the powers of Loki, Susanoo and supposedly other gods stacked on top of it. Which while a little vague, does give evidence for why his existence could be argued higher than God Geats's own to begin with. After all he had an unknown device that affected God Geats and killed many other Pantheons on top of it. (He even flipped through the Chinese Pantheon indicating he killed Buddha and Wukong)
Jamesthetaker said:
I personally don't think that being empowered by the audience alone would be enough to say that they're on the same level of existence as RL audiences. They do get stronger from being cheered on, sure, but High 1-A tier jump is a bit of a leap imo. It's why stageshow Riders don't automatically get High 1-A for audience empowerment.
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Fair enough.

So what makes Saber High A compared to Geats and Gaim again?
 
Jag50 said:
But to be fair, X-Geats didn't just have Geats's powers alone. He also had the powers of Loki, Susanoo and supposedly other gods stacked on top of it. Which while a little vague, does give evidence for why his existence could be argued higher than God Geats's own to begin with. After all he had an unknown device that affected God Geats and killed many other Pantheons on top of it. (He even flipped through the Chinese Pantheon indicating he killed Buddha and Wukong)

So what makes Saber High A compared to Geats and Gaim again?
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Saber is the very reason for High 1-A, actually. The Almighty Book being the origin of everything in existence, including the infinite possibilities of human emotions that manifest 1-A story to fight KR Saver. The Real World has R/F transcendence over KR verse which gives them 1 layer above baseline High 1-A.

I won't deny that X-Geats is stronger or weaker than God Geats, however, simply stacking powers or being infinitely stronger wouldn't be enough for High 1-A.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
Saber is the very reason for High 1-A, actually. The Almighty Book being the origin of everything in existence, including the infinite possibilities of human emotions that manifest 1-A story to fight KR Saver. The Real World has R/F transcendence over KR verse which gives them 1 layer above baseline High 1-A.

I won't deny that X-Geats is stronger or weaker than God Geats, however, simply stacking powers or being infinitely stronger wouldn't be enough for High 1-A.
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Ohhhh.

High 1-A came from Saber and NOT Zi-O?

Did not see that one coming.
 
has anyone touch( atleast ) watch SUPER SPACE SHERIFF GAVAN INFINITY does it offer anything new to the multiverse ?
 
Wow first GARO thread of 2026?
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Minaaaa said:
Wow first GARO thread of 2026?
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GARO - Makai Knight & Horror P&A Changes

Reworking the Makai Knight & Horror pages abit, basically compositing abilities into one page since they share the same general abilities. Makai Knights - New | Old Changes Universal Additional anime information added into the Universal section Additional scan to Martial Arts Added Supernatural...
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I was also thinking about making a GARO crt, but I'm too lazy.
 
Minaaaa said:
About what? 👀
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Mostly about the original continuity and Saejima Kouga as I've never watched the anime or past the first Ryugaverse show (I should get into those).

My biggest gripe with the the current profiles is the lack of range when it should be higher than that.
 
Kellex said:
My biggest gripe with the the current profiles is the lack of range when it should be higher than that.
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Ah, i completely overlooked that when reworking them. I do remember raiga cutting buildings inhalf when is sword was increased
 
MasqueTLDF said:
ExDream Zeztz suit has some reference to a higher dimension
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So, I made a small gallery of the scans from TV asahi. It's like some 11D String Theory thing were ExDream gets his energy from, and the transformation itself is comparable to the creation of a universe.
The Kamen RIder wiki has it all translated too.
I wonder if this will upscale all of the 5D riders on here
 
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Kellex said:
Hmmm... I got some stuff to say about it, but I guess I'll wait until Kouga's profile is done.
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You can say it now, it's not gonna be done for AWHILE. At least until I make all the main anime characters
 
The ******* fact that Ohma Zio gets an upscale everytime there's a new hella hype kamen rider form is killing me rn
 
So Uh.

I'm pretty sure Geats just got a more direct Upscale from ExDream and the Dream Dimension due to what he did in the Gotchard crossover.
 
Regarding Oma/Oma Form (AKA the Composite Rider), it's probably best to distinguish Ridewatches that actually appear "on-screen" and Ridewatches he "potentially" has.
 
Higher dimensional dreams was foreshadowed back in EP14, where there was 4 dimensional objects just flying around and moments in time were shown as seemingly flat images
 
Maskofthedragon said:
Higher dimensional dreams was foreshadowed back in EP14, where there was 4 dimensional objects just flying around and moments in time were shown as seemingly flat images
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Another thing to note, I think string theory was mentioned in GoBusters. (I think i heard this on twitter.) It might be useful as a crossreference for 11D Standard Universes in Toei Toku. And I think Kamen Rider Dawn's suit mentions "multidimensional energy" too. Edit: Zeztz Plasma has the same mention.
 
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