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What?. Magic in GoW is concept type 1 and obviously can affect it, why it can't info hax the concept type 1?
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Info hax cant affect AE based on CM. Thats like what is written in metaphysical page
For example, per default plot manipulation would not be able to manipulate concepts, but concept erasure can't necessarily be used to erase the plot either. In a vs-debate a clash between such powers may have an indeterminate outcome, unless at least one of the fictions involved clarifies how the interaction between the metaphysical aspects works.
Also GoW CM1 doesn't matter much here since they are like 10 layers while DMC guys seems like to resist 45 layers
So it would be like: -> Cant affect AE via info, uses CM -> They resist it.
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Magic in GoW is conceptual and have info 2 hax which mean it affect both concept 1 and info 2, that mean its info 2 can interact with concept type 1. I wasn't talking about layer though
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That simply saying soul can exist without having concept. So practically similar to A immune to X hax cause it lack X aspect, not something like how you guys had phrased 
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Yeah, indeed, A with AE1 from CM1 is definitely not superior to B with Bio Hax because A is only immune to Bio hax because it can exist without a physical body. SmhThat simply saying soul can exist without having concept. So practically similar to A immune to X hax cause it lack X aspect, not something like how you guys had phrased
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No?That simply saying soul can exist without having concept. So practically similar to A immune to X hax cause it lack X aspect, not something like how you guys had phrased
In any case, I do not care enough to argue about this given the chaos upgrades, so
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Yes?
I mean, people was phrased it weird so i complain about that. Kind of saying GoW Info 2 can interact with Concept despite the Magic have both CM1 and Info 2
Yeah, fair enough
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Chaos should take the spot either way since she stomps every dmc character apart from mundus which is just incon
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Eh incon via?
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its either incon or a stomp for chaos
(dmc guys still arguing incon??)
(dmc guys still arguing incon??)
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Like if we assume
GoW has Info erasure and Mundus doesn't even have NEP for Info. Chaos would win simply with this alone.
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The Info glaze and Power padding in the profiles is wild in the wiki.
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I think CM1 in the wiki more glazed instead (
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I mean, fair, the issue wasn't with that, it was with the fact that the information erasure would not actually impact Mundus in any relevant way moreso (seeing as how he can act as a purely inexistent soul), interaction wasn't the main issue to begin with
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I am honestly surprised people are arguing erasing Mundus essence by erasing it's respective rune, even tho Mundus can survive the erasure of it's essence? Like taking an extra step to achieve the same outcome as what CM does already, but alas.
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It isn't erasing Mundus, it's erasing mundus' ability to interface with reality
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Ben 10 has concept manipulation? I dont see it on Alien X profile
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Ah so argument went the other way, reality nuking, hmmm. That would be inconclusive.
Or maybe if we wanna argue it affects Mundus ability to exist somehow even tho his Soul would still kinda exist, would it exist without reality?
If we go that route then Chaos would have won even without the NEP2.
So it's incon or Chaos stomps via reality nuke.
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we should assume concept>information by default because you can have the concept of information but you can't really have the information of a concept
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You can have information that creates concepts. SMT/Persona has this system
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More robo bad takes
Anyways, me looking at digimon:
Anyways, you can pretty cleanly have information that governs concepts or concepts that govern information
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i think i just hate info 2 because of how many unfair matchups it causes and complicates things
btw do you think chaos having NEP 2 would make her above the dmc guys?
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I mean, that's not an issue with the power, that's an issue with people's understanding of it, hate the players, not the game, and all that
I mean I'd imagine so but I can't exactly be brought to think about it further, so
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You can have anything of anything if a series defines it as such. This is dumb
And I say that as someone who thinks information 2 is overglazed.
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the argument was that soul/concept layers > above gow's paygrade so souls are not getting nuked, can they affect chaos now? nope so incon
Anyways Hellfilth is also a thing now and her MO is to literally nuke the multiverse and **** off to another realm
so, who here can survive and fight from infinite L1C dimensions away? Cuz other DMC chars sure can't
Anyways Hellfilth is also a thing now and her MO is to literally nuke the multiverse and **** off to another realm
so, who here can survive and fight from infinite L1C dimensions away? Cuz other DMC chars sure can't
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the hell is this low quality profile?
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Peak of Combat quality
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I will never be able to stop disliking that game
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Peak of
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Peak of Cope.
Lol, I didn't even know we had Hellfilth profile. So, incon it is ehh?
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For regular DMC, yeah Incon
Hellfilth is its own can of worms and all that, besides it doesn't count as part of DMC per se
in fact I would say Hellfilth would win because the "nuke your reality from a multiverse away" part which only Dante can survive but still lacks the range to reach Hellfilth
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It is as much part of DMC as VM itself is.
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An issue I'm going to bring up of the whole, SBA putting you at 4KM so if the characters are fast enough on the quick draw (on speed equal or unequal) they can just not deal with that
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