Chaotic Honkai Verse Upgrade (1-A & L1-A)

[Mbpoops]

English translations are made by human translator from hoyostan which one of the people here vouched for as natives. I have talked with hoyostan people too and I don't also doubt about that. Not to even mention that we already also got translation help from translation thread back in yog sothoth thread.

oh yea @AlipheeseXIV did say it was accurate lol

 

[Maniaunavailable]

The raw are included in the OP. You can also read here

does the wiki handle chainese translations? you can maybe try there

 

[Mbpoops]

Pretty accurate, I know the people who work on it they're natives. On the matter of the CRT though, I'm kinda neutral about this

Im just gonna quote this.

 

[Weaver261]

does the wiki handle chainese translations? you can maybe try there

I said to you that it's already done back in Yog Sothoth thread.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I said to you that it's already done back in Yog Sothoth thread.

oh I see

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I'm genuinely confused about how is this 1-A.

Nova explained it above. What Yog does is giving spatio-temporal boundaries to the primordial Chaos. It's not a literal R>F.

From what I understand, R>F isn't strictly required to reach 1-A

 

[SuperNova55555]

What you doing here is false premise fallacy. Since your premise of imaginary tree being just real space is wrong and fixated the scaling to 2-A or L1-C, you no longer accept the possibility and truth that imaginary space is indeed in the tree which I provided proofs for it.

We literally have statements of Otto existing inside of IS and explicitly still being outside of IT.

Please stop making stuff up brother.

I should have push for that Hoyoverse deletion thread in the past

I’m this close to making another thread. Scaling a verse that not only is unscalable without TLs but also explicitly contradicts itself is ******* pain in the ass

 

[KirbyFan03]

Low 2C Aeons....

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I’m this close to making another thread. Scaling a verse that not only is unscalable without TLs but also explicitly contradicts itself is ******* pain in the ass

Save the hoyoverse scaling supernova...

 

[KirbyFan03]

We literally have statements of Otto existing inside of IS and explicitly still being outside of IT.

Please stop making stuff up brother.


I’m this close to making another thread. Scaling a verse that not only is unscalable without TLs but also explicitly contradicts itself is ******* pain in the ass

So basically a lot like Marvel and DC without the valid excuses

 

[Mbpoops]

Save the hoyoverse scaling supernova...

Son

 

[SuperNova55555]

Save the hoyoverse scaling supernova...

By deleting the verse, yea

So basically a lot like Marvel and DC without the valid excuses

Marvel and DC don’t have excuses. They either separate canons or literally just nobody cares enough to check them.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

By deleting the verse, yea

Fate finna become the stronhest gacha on 2029 atp

 

[Huesito88]

Save the hoyoverse scaling supernova...

Save it? He's going to kill it

 

[Mbpoops]

Fate finna become the stronhest gacha on 2029 atp

Dokkan is right there

 

[Weaver261]

We literally have statements of Otto existing inside of IS and explicitly still being outside of IT.

Give scan cuz I feel like u read the scan wrong 100%

 

[Reiner04]

One is the 11 dimensional bulk medium that carries bubble worlds

My memory is a bit foggy, and I don't know anything about the verse, so I want to ask just to make sure, wasn't it the universes inside the SOQ that were accepted as 11D, rather than the SOQ itself?

 

[Mbpoops]

My memory is a bit foggy, and I don't know anything about the verse, so I want to ask just to make sure, wasn't it the universes inside the SOQ that were accepted as 11D, rather than the SOQ itself?

Its a bit difficult to explain but ill send something i typed up before.

So basically the sea of quanta is significant for holding a 2-A amount of worlds those world vary in dimensions and laws with there being an infinite amount of these worlds. That is to say there can exist a world or multiple worlds with uncompactified dimensions as the sea holds worlds with all possible combinations of significant & insignificant dimensions. To go more in depth on compactification; The worlds choose their inheritance of dimensions from the sea meaning they subject themselves to only a specific N number of dimensions while the rest become compactified with the number of this dimensions varying up to 11D. The compactification process happens when an ether anchor stabilizes a world this not subjecting it to degration in the sea of chaos.

There could exist a world with uncompactified dimensions in the sea of quanta as the dimensions and laws vary between worlds and we know there are an infinity of these worlds with the sea of quanta being infinitely bigger than what it contains

 

[Weaver261]

My memory is a bit foggy, and I don't know anything about the verse, so I want to ask just to make sure, wasn't it the universes inside the SOQ that were accepted as 11D, rather than the SOQ itself?

The thing is that bubble universes can choose to inherit up to 11D from the bulk. As none of the dimensions are stated to be compactified. SoQ is stated to be more than 4th dimension. What I am proposing here isn't for SoQ but rather Primordial chaos which is another layer above the sea.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Give scan cuz I feel like u read the scan wrong 100%

Literally the ones I posted. Otto is inside of IS and he has to use IS to approach IT from the outside

My memory is a bit foggy, and I don't know anything about the verse, so I want to ask just to make sure, wasn't it the universes inside the SOQ that were accepted as 11D, rather than the SOQ itself?

The “universe” in the 11D statement is about the universe in general, and since this was before IT was a thing, it’s basically referring to the whole Real Space. I mentioned this in my OG comment

 

[Mbpoops]

The “universe” in the 11D statement is about the universe in general, and since this was before IT was a thing, it’s basically referring to the whole Real Space. I mentioned this in my OG comment

Thats not true as there are multiple statements in the AE vn and even the durandal vn that call the sea 11 dimensional

 

[SuperNova55555]

Thats not true as there are multiple statements in the AE vn and even the durandal vn that call the sea 11 dimensional

Another negative track, sigh.

Ok Mbpoops sir, if the Universe and Real Space in general is 11D, and SoQ is part of that Universe or at the very least comparable to it, what do you think the appropriate dimensionality is here? (Hint: it’s 11D)

 

[KirbyFan03]

By deleting the verse, yea


Marvel and DC don’t have excuses. They either separate canons or literally just nobody cares enough to check them.

Like Pre Crisis, Post Crisis, N52, Rebirth

 

[Weaver261]

Literally the ones I posted. Otto is inside of IS and he has to use IS to approach IT from the outside

You mean this right?

Durandal: If he wishes to manipulate the world, he must stay outside it and approach the Imaginary Tree.

i expected this xD
The sentence here is saying "if otto want to manipulate the world (in this case hi3 space time), he need to stay outside this (this here referring to the world) and approach the tree. It's simple reading. None of this here says otto needs to stay outside of imaginary tree. I think you got confused with IT and it lol xD
This is supported more in these

Durandal: You’re saying that… to reshape the world five centuries ago, you needed to transcend reality and become a part of the Imaginary Tree…

 

[SuperNova55555]

The sentence here is saying "if otto want to manipulate the world (in this case hi3 space time), he need to stay outside this (this here referring to the world) and approach the tree. It's simple reading. None of this here says otto needs to stay outside of imaginary tree. I think you got confused with IT and it lol xD

No, I knew that world meant reality and not IS here. But being outside of Reality and still only be part of IS and not IT continues to prove my point in that they are detached.

 

[Mbpoops]

Another negative track, sigh.

Ok Mbpoops sir, if the Universe and Real Space in general is 11D, and SoQ is part of that Universe or at the very least comparable to it, what do you think the appropriate dimensionality is here? (Hint: it’s 11D)

The sea of quanta is not apart of real space we’ve already been over this. The universe it was referencing was the bubble universe of the durandal vn because using the context of the vn they are talking about bubble worlds why would they suddenly mention the real world if they are talking about bubble worlds? The logic doesnt add up

 

[Mbpoops]

The sea of quanta is not apart of real space we’ve already been over this. The universe it was referencing was the bubble universe of the durandal vn because using the context of the vn they are talking about bubble worlds why would they suddenly mention the real world if they are talking about bubble worlds? The logic doesnt add up

Not to mention the one speaking here is schrodinger under the disguise of iron mask why would they be talking about the world bianka and vita are from if they are explicitly hiding their identity?

 

[SuperNova55555]

The sea of quanta is not apart of real space we’ve already been over this. The universe it was referencing was the bubble universe of the durandal vn because using the context of the vn they are talking about bubble worlds why would they suddenly mention the real world if they are talking about bubble worlds? The logic doesnt add up

TL errors. Hoyostans also mentions this. It's talking about the universe in general here

 

[Weaver261]

No, I knew that world meant reality and not IS here. But being outside of Reality and still only be part of IS and not IT continues to prove my point in that they are detached.

what are you even saying? It's really simple. The world is the reality, going to imaginary tree = going to imaginary space, imaginary space is within the realm of imaginary tree. How is that prove your point of IS and IT being detached from each other????
I can see why you are confused tho. Cuz in HSR, Imaginary tree is theorized as a multiverse model instead of a higher realm unlike in HI3. Hi3 described imaginary tree both as a multiverse model and a higher realm.

That is to say... In order to reshape the world five hundred years ago, you must transcend reality, become part of the imaginary space, and become a "slave" of the imaginary tree...

In that miraculous moment, I was able to bring the power beyond reality from the "Tree of Imaginary Numbers" to the "Wedge of the World".

Also the tree doesn't exist any dimension otto can reach
While Imaginary tree theory helps explain how MWI works, the tree and the space are beyond reality

 

[SuperNova55555]

maginary space is within the realm of imaginary tree

No, the "realm of the Imaginary Tree" is "Imaginary Space". The statement is referring to IS here as IT's Realm because it is the source of IT or the universe in general.

 

[Mbpoops]

TL errors. Hoyostans also mentions this. It's talking about the universe in general here

Yea its talking about the universe that durandal is in again why are we assuming its the universe bianka and rita are from? The universe as they know it is 4 infinite + 7 compact

 

[Weaver261]

No, the "realm of the Imaginary Tree" is "Imaginary Space". The statement is referring to IS here as IT's Realm because it is the source of IT or the universe in general.

I don't deny it. Are you worried that I will make the tree L1-A and everyone in the god damn world scaling to it? No. Only imaginary space will have L1-A as per previous scale. Imaginary tree real space will remain as L1-C or 2-A. If you want clarity, instead of using the term imaginary tree, we can use imaginary space when we talk about the L1A scale

 

[Mbpoops]

I don't deny it. Are you worried that I will make the tree L1-A and everyone in the god damn world scaling to it? No. Only imaginary space will have L1-A as per previous scale. Imaginary tree real space will remain as L1-C or 2-A. If you want clarity, instead of using the term imaginary tree, we can use imaginary space when we talk about the L1A scale

I still want to know if you’re saying imaginary space exists only in the tree or not because if you are that kills your entire argument

 

[Mbpoops]

And no bruh real space cannot be 5D theres way to many issues with this.

 

[Weaver261]

I still want to know if you’re saying imaginary space exists only in the tree or not because if you are that kills your entire argument

When i say imaginary space exists in the tree, I don't mean imaginary space is inside the multiverse model of the tree. I mean the term. Because in the terminology, imaginary space falls under imaginary tree as Nova said. But imaginary space is the peak of the tree, a higher realm.

 

[Mbpoops]

When i say imaginary space exists in the tree, I don't mean imaginary space is inside the multiverse model of the tree. I mean the term. Because in the terminology, imaginary space falls under imaginary tree as Nova said. But imaginary space is the peak of the tree, a higher realm.

So it exists outside the tree..?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yea its talking about the universe that durandal is in again why are we assuming its the universe bianka and rita are from? The universe as they know it is 4 infinite + 7 compact

“That universe” is very clearly juxtaposing the actual universe to bubble worlds.

 

[Weaver261]

So it exists outside the tree..?

If you mean outside of real space, yes it exists outside of real space. There's a whole damn explanation about it.
But the tree is not a concrete structure but rather a theoretical model to explain the ways of the universe. So, in the terminology, the space is inside the tree. Is that clear?

 

[Reiner04]

The thing is that bubble universes can choose to inherit up to 11D from the bulk. As none of the dimensions are stated to be compactified. SoQ is stated to be more than 4th dimension. What I am proposing here isn't for SoQ but rather Primordial chaos which is another layer above the sea.

To be more precise my question is that if SOQ has any direct statement of its dimensionality. Not the dimensionality we deduced from the dimensionality of the bubble worlds it holds.

 

[Weaver261]

To be more precise my question is that if SOQ has any direct statement of its dimensionality. Not the dimensionality we deduced from the dimensionality of the bubble worlds it holds.

We have this statement about SoQ being 11 dimensional space, with bonus explanation of 10 spatial dimension and 1 temporal dimension