To be fair, true. The Genius Device does use a co-ordinate system to track down two bubble universes in Chapter 32. I only doubted this from memory because the Sea of Quanta is constantly shifting and very unstable. We know that the co-ordinates can parallel Earth's but exact distances shift and don't match up.
Interesting. When i asked for the ggz translationvn i was sent a completely different one ty for this
yeah main problem is the fan translation, do you have the raws per chance?
If you give me 5 months i can get the raws
I do not have the raws - no. I'm not sure if the game has been placed onto something like an online resource for the raws, I don't think it has. You also need a Chinese phone number to download GGZ in Chinese, trust me, I've tried. The best you can do is download the Japanese if you don't have a Chinese phone number. This is the play store link.
You can get an emulator for it which is what i did but you still need to go through the game manually which is why i said 5 months
if someone actually does the work for getting the raws then this can be so much easier imo. but Ill let staff decide
considering we with friends asked twice from different Chinese native speakers, there are no problems with the translations, so not really relevant there
to piggyback off this, the deeper beings go into the sea of quanta the more fragmented they become. we can assume the labyrinth welt created is at the shallow end at the sea as he was able to save bronya before she fell to quantization compared to the "bulk" or" medium" (if raws are needed i can get them for the vns) of the sea where the ether anchor point and infinite universes are, then theres the deeper parts of the sea the deeper you go the more fragmented the worlds become as shown in chapter 32 when seele ventured deeper into the sea
i personally believe that the sea scales to significant 11D but i was told by supporters to save my opinion for another thread so i wont derail here.
ngl even if we address the compactified stuff the sea will always be 11D
If you are gonna refute everything as "headcanon", then it has no point.
This connection much more stronger than whatever about musica mundana bs that was accepted with barely hanging on scans in genshin.
And the issue is that you’re making all of this stuff up lol. There are no other planes of the Sea, you’re just completely misconflating some flowery statement referring to SoQ as if it were talking about some magical other layer of reality.
Because it is headcanon lol, what is this point. Like this isn’t even a scenario like Hi3 and HSR where the terms are complicated so it gets slightly confusing; GGZ and Hi3 are js completely different continuities lmao, there’s nothing to say any term in one of them is univocal to any term in the other.
The best thing the OP has is loose statements from Su here and here about the area he ended up in during the events of Second Key.
The descriptions match up between the Primordial Sea and the Sea of Quanta, they're the same concepts at core and I believe the lore matches up, as you have pointed out, but there is no proof GGZ and Hi3 are set in the exact same cosmology.
Simply put - Azathoth made the Primordial Chaos, GGZ's SoQ, but there's no proof this is also Hi3's / HSR's SoQ to chainscale it to.
Read this, I don't wanna go over this again.
Pretty accurate, I know the people who work on it they're natives. On the matter of the CRT though, I'm kinda neutral about this
GGZ and HI3 are only different timelines instead of them being different continuities lol, the only thing different between these two are the incidents of what happened after St. Freya, I don't know how you even have them being different continuities when they aren't.
Yeah - my point is that Second Key happened in the Current Era while Su's simulation should be synced up to a previous version of him in the Previous Era. There'd be no way for the simulated Su to have the knowledge of the Current Era Su, but it's beside the point. What he's saying here is vague.
My argument here is Su's statements are too vague and don't directly talk about dimensionality, just 'above' from his experiences here. Not even this statement seems to directly discuss dimensionality. It's merely talking about a truth or law.
This difference seems entirely superficial in practice. Whether there’s a greater honkaiverse or wtvr doesn’t mean much when all that matters here is the fact that it’s pretty obvious the terms between the two aren’t meant to correlate with each other, but only to be understood in isolation
They're written to be understood seperately but the functions clearly match up. Plus GGZ is accepted to be part of Hi3 and HSR's greater cosmology. It'd be pretty strange not to accept they're the same thing. That'd be like denying the SoQ in HSR is the same as the SoQ in Hi3 despite the fact that HSR constantly hints at having a SoQ.
I literally already addressed how HSR and Hi3 aren’t different because they’re the same universe lmao. Also, HSR explicitly has SoQ.
As I said before, the tree was never stated to be born through SoQ in Hi3. It's just localization error
Doesn't really need to since what I am doing is here is saying L1-A structure of IMS is able to grow through Primordial Chaos which isn't 11D Bulk but rather a higher realm. Since it allows the birth of L1-A structure, it should be also L1-A no?
Eh then, how about you bring evidences that say GGZ is on its own and not connected to Honkai verse?
Because they have different events?
^ I mean you’re literally the guy who said this. So if there are differences between the very things with the same name, then there’s no reason for the things with different names to be the same exact thing because they share some similar properties.
Didn't see. mb.
It should be IF you can prove the Primordial Chaos is a higher realm than the SoQ, but like I said, this seems entirely dependent on Su's vague statements. IMO the comparison in the OP equates the Primordial Chaos and SoQ while Su's statements validate the idea that the Chaos is a layer above. Unless I'm missing something more accurate statements are needed to prove the Chaos is a higher layer than the SoQ.
I don't event think you would be having this problem if you played both games.
*Reading shouldn't be this hard
Since when did we conclude this? And how does it matter anyways?? We can just revoke it this CRT.
What you literally said in the paragraph above is a different event for example. If GGZ and Hi3 have the same events then they’re not branching timelines.
Just too add the only “higher space” in a size comparrison to the sea would be the tree as it is stated to be the highest transfinite so if we wanted to extrapolate the “above the honkai” statement then yea where su currently is would be above the soq cardinally but again i think its best to ignore it for scaling since we know nothing abt it lol
I know a little about how GGZ's honkai is an alien civilisation from another universe. That makes a little more sense, I'm not here to argue specifics on GGZ either way - You know much more about it so I'll just listen to you regarding it.
The events that have changed in Reality don't matter because the Sea is larger than Reality - it encompasses all of the Tree and the Tree encompasses it. They're concepts above the branching timelines of GGZ and Hi3.
I have similar views. They’re either the same thing or completely unrelated. I don’t think they exist together though
