Chaotic Honkai Verse Upgrade (1-A & L1-A)

[Mbpoops]

Okay, I agree with Low 1-C Primordial Chaos/Sea of Quanta then. Yog Sothoth should be downgraded to that level.

Was the argument that yog exists within the soq?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Was the argument that yog exists within the soq?

Yog is strange. She exists beyond Space-Time but her powers only extend to what is within Space-Time, i.e by using the already-existing Chaos

 

[Mbpoops]

Yog is strange. She exists beyond Space-Time but her powers only extend to what is within Space-Time, i.e by using the already-existing Chaos

Ngl ill prolly take ur word for it i dont play loli slop hsr supporters pissing me off

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Was the argument that yog exists within the soq?

Well, the OP seems to agree that the SoQ equals the Primordial Chaos, while the bottom of the sea is the equivalent of Yog-Sothoth’s void. Which is coherent with the fact that that void is called the “Sea of Stars,” and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that same name used to refer to a zone of the SoQ.

So it’s either Low 1-C or 1-C, depending on whether you think its void transcends the SoQ or not.

 

[Mbpoops]

Well, the OP seems to agree that the SoQ equals the Primordial Chaos, while the bottom of the sea is the equivalent of Yog-Sothoth’s void. Which is coherent with the fact that that void is called the “Sea of Stars,” and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that same name used to refer to a zone of the SoQ.

So it’s either Low 1-C or 1-C, depending on whether you think its void transcends the SoQ or

Low 1-C.

 

[Mbpoops]

I already asked a staff to come here and eval so i guess ill wait on them and weaver while i nuke emanators teehee. I probably have one more argument for this thread tho but im not home so icba to type it on mobile

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ngl ill prolly take ur word for it i dont play loli slop hsr supporters pissing me off

I’ve alr explained this twice lel using the very scans OP presented.

Yog gives definition to Chaos, which frames and creates Universes. Space and Time are framed beyond even this, thus they aren’t subject to Yog’s authority.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

And I swear there are still people that genuinely believe Yog is tier 0 after all this. Mind blowing.

 

[Mbpoops]

I was fine with 1A but since weaver nuked his own thread idek bruh

 

[Just a Random Butler]

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[Mbpoops]

Thank you butler chan

 

[Iiliminal]

ashtar sheran neg this fodder yakub victim verse even xqcgartha solos

 

[Re5yh]

ashtar sheran neg this fodder yakub victim verse even xqcgartha solos

True

 

[Shiroiyo]

I agree with low 1-c Yog Sothoth fra

 

[Reiner04]

I will reply by tomorrow

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

I think you guys are confused about the term of "Imaginary tree". When I say the tree, it includes both real space and imaginary space according to the lore.
Because Imaginary tree isn't just real space with different space times.

If we're all constantly arguing with the same terms but with different mental definitions this verse will never go anywhere. Sure, the Imaginary Tree does seperate its leaves with a boundary of Imaginary Energy, hence why Emanator status, the Astral Express or other similar means are needed for travel in HSR, but this boundary of Imaginary Energy, or even the fact you're including Real Space should be referred to explicitly. It's basic debate etiquette. (Yes, the first half of this is an example. It's irrelevant whether or not that's what you're actually discussing).

Prolly means that Imaginary Space is explicitly = Sea of Quanta, since it literally juxtaposes it as such lol.

Imaginary Space is explicitly very empty other than 'Leaf Worlds' (Realities, Galaxies, Star systems) and 'Leaf Worlds' which have fallen off of the Tree, getting closer to the SoQ. In the Immortal Blades chapter Imaginary Space is visibly represented as simply just chaos where nothing can exist.

It's explicitly the Imaginary Tree and the Sea of Quanta that juxtapose each other. I'm not sure if Imaginary Space actually has a function beyond destroying everything that comes into contact with it (that isn't anchored to the tree), including Himeko's body. :3

 

[Mbpoops]

It's explicitly the Imaginary Tree and the Sea of Quanta that juxtapose each other. I'm not sure if Imaginary Space actually has a function beyond destroying everything that comes into contact with it (that isn't anchored to the tree), including Himeko's body. :3

Which like i said before, the tree has imaginary spaces and properties but the bulk or “medium” of imaginary space exists outside the tree and by extension the sea as the tree is the highest transfinite

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Following
L1C/1C I agree with but
Where's the R>F that was promised 3k years ago
Also..
Why is MWI still being poorly misrepresented..

What Otto did wouldn't go against MWI , instead it exemplifies it.
Also: Changing a possibility within a universe does not go against the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI), but rather defines it. MWI suggests all possible outcomes of a quantum event actually occur, each splitting into its own, separate, non-interacting branch of reality. Therefore, "changing a possibility" is simply the manifestation of another branch, not a violation of the theory.

So to reiterate:Thus spoke apocalypse
Enforces the use of MWI and we know the tree runs off it..
A possibility can either happen Naturally!* Or **Forced/Exploited it doesn't matter how it happened. As every possibility has an outcome and to further reconstruct the idea of MWI being blatant with 0 doubts
Cause I have gone through this thread and seen it get misinterpreted
Also:This from alien space


And no weaver
Nothing in the entirety of this thread is giving you R>F
And you aren't getting anything Above dimensions
Unless you have some clear and explicit proof that says that beings are above every dimension and are Qualitively superior to the lower dimensions
Then otherwise I'll bite but until then I won't.

The max you're getting is L1C to maybe 1C maybe H1C but that's a big maybe

 

[Hecky2222]

I will reply by tomorrow

indeed, but when do other four Reiners reply since they were tagged as well

 

[Mbpoops]

Funnily enough the only verse that seems inconsistant with the cosmology is hsr lol, not that it matters much

 

[Weaver261]

The IT is explicitly the universe itself and the conglomerate of Space-Times (leaves). This is explicitly clear in both Hi3 and especially HSR.

What you doing here is false premise fallacy. Since your premise of imaginary tree being just real space is wrong and fixated the scaling to 2-A or L1-C, you no longer accept the possibility and truth that imaginary space is indeed in the tree which I provided proofs for it.

 

[Mbpoops]

What you doing here is false premise fallacy. Since your premise of imaginary tree being just real space is wrong and fixated the scaling to 2-A or L1-C, you no longer accept the possibility and truth that imaginary space is indeed in the tree which I provided proofs for it.

I just want to clarify, are you saying that ALL of imaginary space is in the imaginary tree or that the tree contains imaginary spaces while existing in imaginary space?

 

[Mbpoops]

I just want to clarify, are you saying that ALL of imaginary space is in the imaginary tree or that the tree contains imaginary spaces while existing in imaginary space?

I really hope you are saying the latter btw.

 

[Weaver261]

I just want to clarify, are you saying that ALL of imaginary space is in the imaginary tree or that the tree contains imaginary spaces while existing in imaginary space?

The tree isn't a literal tree but is just an analogy of how the universe works. For example, let's imagine a universe have a higher dimension. Although it's true that 3 dimensional universe is contained inside the higher one, it's not wrong to say higher dimension is also part of universe. Do you get what I am saying? It's just a term. You can't claim that higher dimension can't fit into universe without having a false premise of universe being just three dimensional

 

[Mbpoops]

The tree isn't a literal tree but is just an analogy of how the universe works. For example, let's imagine a universe have a higher dimension. Although it's true that 3 dimensional universe is contained inside the higher one, it's not wrong to say higher dimension is also part of universe. Do you get what I am saying? It's just a term. You can't claim that higher dimension can't fit into universe without having a false premise of universe being just three dimensional

Bro what the hell are you talking about that didnt answer my question

 

[Reiner04]

1-A Yog Sothoth (or whatever she called) seems fine based on the fact that she transcends and independent of very definition/concept of spacetime and how she is superior to it too (all things are created in her hands)

This is how divine power works. Humans get old, their hair grays, but how about the world within words? This is the divine power of God, "description", or "definition". The only way to define the boundaries is to transcend them, and because we are free from all things, we can create all things, and so all things are born in our hands.

I will comment on SOQ and Chaos when i get time but b4 that, i would like to ask if all the translations provided are correct or not.

 

[Mbpoops]

Weiner04 from deep 3 point range.

I will comment on SOQ and Chaos when i get time but b4 that, i would like to ask if all the translations provided are correct or not.

I can confirm at least that the translations for the sea of quanta description from the VN (which is used in the op) is accurate. The chaos stuff ill wait on weaver to confirm

 

[Weaver261]

I will comment on SOQ and Chaos when i get time but b4 that, i would like to ask if all the translations provided are correct or not.

Yes, I have confirmed the wordings multiple times to ensure all are correct. The main thing I want you to understand is that although I wrote that SoQ = Primordial chaos, I am not saying SoQ is no longer 11D. I am just saying there exists another layer above the sea which allows the birth of imaginary tree. But people in this thread seems to get confused by the terms. Imaginary space is Low 1-A as per old scaling. But downgraded due to the tree being born through sea of quanta but that's just localization error and not true. The tree is born through primordial chaos which I am proposing L1-A of. Imaginary tree real spaces and universes will remains as current scales and SoQ as well. Only imaginary space and primordial chaos will get L1-A

 

[Saqphire]

Agree with 1-A Yog, disagree with the rest

 

[Vietthai96]

Why do you guys even talking about MWI??. It is completely irrelevant to the thread

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5 Reiners, crazy, dude's vote gonna be 5 votes in one. Time to summon dude into every CRT so we can raise our KPI

Anyway i remember i already commented and voted

I disagree with Low 1-A Primordial Chaos. Not only most of the scans didn't actually say what the OP have wrote but also the interpretation is a huge stretch and leap in logic

Primordial Chaos is explicitly the SoQ which have defined level of dimensionality. Trying to say the deeper of the Sea is somehow a deeper layer of reality is another huge stretch of logic, because the Sea is a metaphor thus the language goes with it should also align with the metaphor of the system of an Ocean, which the World is Bubble and when it go down, the metaphor for it is "sinking deeper into the Sea", it isn't hard to understand, idk why a simple logic is exaggrated into deeper layers of reality

Su scans is just....idk what to say, it is a completely unelaborated place that why don't really know it explicit place in the cosmology, the only thing we know is it is above the sea, because in finale of the manga, iirc, Su was stated to have "ascended" into that place and Su sim in Elysian Realm said it is above. So idk why that place was slapped together with the SoQ to make it like it is another layer of the Sea; one is explicitly going up, the other is explicitly going down

About the "going deeper" is just, the Leaf World on the Tree is a real, healthy world, if it fall down, it fall down to the Sea, become Bubble World, and the Bubble World will slowly sinking down to the bottom of the Sea, represent the process of getting deleted/absorbed by the Sea. The Tree then absorb "nutrition" from the sea, to nuture its branchs and leafs. This relation is described in the early day HI3rd and not much have changed from that. There is a reason why SoQ have EE because it slowly erasing thing, it is just its EE property, not something such as a Low 1-A nonexistent void that is ground for all physical dimensions

 

[Mbpoops]

Why do you guys even talking about MWI??. It is completely irrelevant to the thread

its a hoyo thread are you really surprised we didnt address the main topic

 

[Vietthai96]

its a hoyo thread are you really surprised we didnt address the main topic

I should have push for that Hoyoverse deletion thread in the past

 

[Mbpoops]

i would like to ask what the consensus for imaginary space is? ive seen talks about 1C or l1A (per the op)

 

[Weaver261]

There is a reason why SoQ have EE because it slowly erasing thing, it is just its EE property, not something such as a Low 1-A nonexistent void that is ground for all physical dimensions

I might have phrased that wrong. Not everyone or everything that reached the bottom of SoQ reached to the higher plane. Su was the enlightened one who became an observer that can observe everything.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

1-A Yog Sothoth (or whatever she called) seems fine based on the fact that she transcends and independent of very definition/concept of spacetime and how she is superior to it too (all things are created in her hands)


I will comment on SOQ and Chaos when i get time but b4 that, i would like to ask if all the translations provided are correct or not.

translations are offical, IHI3 its translated almost entierly, using the web

The core game (chapters, events) is translated, allowing English speakers to play from start to finish.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

1-A Yog Sothoth (or whatever she called) seems fine based on the fact that she transcends and independent of very definition/concept of spacetime and how she is superior to it too (all things are created in her hands)

I'm genuinely confused about how is this 1-A.

Nova explained it above. What Yog does is giving spatio-temporal boundaries to the primordial Chaos. It's not a literal R>F.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I'm genuinely confused about how is this 1-A.

Nova explained it above. What Yog does is giving boundaries to the primordial Chaos. It's not a literal R>F.

I just want to know if we have the raws

 

[Weaver261]

I just want to know if we have the raws

The raw are included in the OP. You can also read here

赞美吾主​

你好。

恭喜你，抵达了这里。

你想问这里是什么地方？

噢……该怎么说呢，这里是天国，是星海，是仙界，是时空外的居所。

无论叫什么名字都无关紧要，因为在这里，你能获得一切，通过伟大的神力。

那么让我来为你演示神力的运作方式。

既然来到了这里，那么请告诉我，在前面的四篇故事里，无论是世尊，老人，王，演讲者，关于他们最大的共同点，是什么？

泡泡？不，不是，那只是一种表征，是一种象征手法，就像是太阳神坐着黄金马车出巡一样，并不是必须要黄金马车，只不过那是神明喜欢的东西。

——真正最大的共同点，在于语言，以及文字。

语言框定世界，文字制定规则，于是，时空就在这以外被框定。

譬如你，正看着这行文字，也如我，在通过这行文字看着你。

这就是神力的运作方式。人类会变老，肌肤会发灰，但文字之中的世界怎么可能会？这就是神赐的神力，“描述”，或者说“界定”。唯有超越界限，才能规定界限，正因脱离万物，所以能创造万物，于是万物都在手中诞生。

古往今来许多人通过文字来表达观念，将其视作工具，但他们并没有想象过，真正的世界无时无刻不在文字之中诞生，那么仅仅是一个字，都有可能促成一个宇宙从混沌的观念里兴起，然后固定下来，从此再也不会灭亡。

——这，便是神赐予我们的神力本身，可惜绝大多数人都只能懵懂地运用它，甚至忽视它的灵性。

现在，使用它，创造你的世界，不为时空所制约，永恒独立的世界。

顺便，如果有空的话，赞美吾主——尤格索托斯。

 

[Mbpoops]

The raw are included in the OP. You can also read here

since we were asking for the raw... does anyone here actually know chinese..?

 

[Weaver261]

since we were asking for the raw... does anyone here actually know chinese..?

English translations are made by human translator from hoyostan which one of the people here vouched for as natives. I have talked with hoyostan people too and I don't also doubt about that. Not to even mention that we already also got translation help from translation thread back in yog sothoth thread.