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Was the argument that yog exists within the soq?
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Chaotic Honkai Verse Upgrade (1-A & L1-A)
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Yog is strange. She exists beyond Space-Time but her powers only extend to what is within Space-Time, i.e by using the already-existing Chaos
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Ngl ill prolly take ur word for it i dont play loli slop
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Well, the OP seems to agree that the SoQ equals the Primordial Chaos, while the bottom of the sea is the equivalent of Yog-Sothoth’s void. Which is coherent with the fact that that void is called the “Sea of Stars,” and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that same name used to refer to a zone of the SoQ.
So it’s either Low 1-C or 1-C, depending on whether you think its void transcends the SoQ or not.
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Low 1-C.
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I’ve alr explained this twice lel using the very scans OP presented.
Yog gives definition to Chaos, which frames and creates Universes. Space and Time are framed beyond even this, thus they aren’t subject to Yog’s authority.
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And I swear there are still people that genuinely believe Yog is tier 0 after all this. Mind blowing.
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If we're all constantly arguing with the same terms but with different mental definitions this verse will never go anywhere. Sure, the Imaginary Tree does seperate its leaves with a boundary of Imaginary Energy, hence why Emanator status, the Astral Express or other similar means are needed for travel in HSR, but this boundary of Imaginary Energy, or even the fact you're including Real Space should be referred to explicitly. It's basic debate etiquette. (Yes, the first half of this is an example. It's irrelevant whether or not that's what you're actually discussing).
Imaginary Space is explicitly very empty other than 'Leaf Worlds' (Realities, Galaxies, Star systems) and 'Leaf Worlds' which have fallen off of the Tree, getting closer to the SoQ. In the Immortal Blades chapter Imaginary Space is visibly represented as simply just chaos where nothing can exist.
It's explicitly the Imaginary Tree and the Sea of Quanta that juxtapose each other. I'm not sure if Imaginary Space actually has a function beyond destroying everything that comes into contact with it (that isn't anchored to the tree), including Himeko's body. :3
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Which like i said before, the tree has imaginary spaces and properties but the bulk or “medium” of imaginary space exists outside the tree and by extension the sea as the tree is the highest transfinite
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L1C/1C I agree with but
Where's the R>F that was promised 3k years ago
Also..
Why is MWI still being poorly misrepresented..
What Otto did wouldn't go against MWI , instead it exemplifies it.
Also: Changing a possibility within a universe does not go against the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI), but rather defines it. MWI suggests all possible outcomes of a quantum event actually occur, each splitting into its own, separate, non-interacting branch of reality. Therefore, "changing a possibility" is simply the manifestation of another branch, not a violation of the theory.
So to reiterate:Thus spoke apocalypse
Enforces the use of MWI and we know the tree runs off it..
A possibility can either happen Naturally!* Or **Forced/Exploited it doesn't matter how it happened. As every possibility has an outcome and to further reconstruct the idea of MWI being blatant with 0 doubts
Cause I have gone through this thread and seen it get misinterpreted
Also:This from alien space
And no weaver
Nothing in the entirety of this thread is giving you R>F
And you aren't getting anything Above dimensions
Unless you have some clear and explicit proof that says that beings are above every dimension and are Qualitively superior to the lower dimensions
Then otherwise I'll bite but until then I won't.
The max you're getting is L1C to maybe 1C maybe H1C but that's a big maybe
L1C/1C I agree with but
Where's the R>F that was promised 3k years ago
Also..
Why is MWI still being poorly misrepresented..
What Otto did wouldn't go against MWI , instead it exemplifies it.
Also: Changing a possibility within a universe does not go against the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI), but rather defines it. MWI suggests all possible outcomes of a quantum event actually occur, each splitting into its own, separate, non-interacting branch of reality. Therefore, "changing a possibility" is simply the manifestation of another branch, not a violation of the theory.
So to reiterate:Thus spoke apocalypse
Enforces the use of MWI and we know the tree runs off it..
A possibility can either happen Naturally!* Or **Forced/Exploited it doesn't matter how it happened. As every possibility has an outcome and to further reconstruct the idea of MWI being blatant with 0 doubts
Cause I have gone through this thread and seen it get misinterpreted
Also:This from alien space
And no weaver
Nothing in the entirety of this thread is giving you R>F
And you aren't getting anything Above dimensions
Unless you have some clear and explicit proof that says that beings are above every dimension and are Qualitively superior to the lower dimensions
Then otherwise I'll bite but until then I won't.
The max you're getting is L1C to maybe 1C maybe H1C but that's a big maybe
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What you doing here is false premise fallacy. Since your premise of imaginary tree being just real space is wrong and fixated the scaling to 2-A or L1-C, you no longer accept the possibility and truth that imaginary space is indeed in the tree which I provided proofs for it.
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I just want to clarify, are you saying that ALL of imaginary space is in the imaginary tree or that the tree contains imaginary spaces while existing in imaginary space?
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I really hope you are saying the latter btw.
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The tree isn't a literal tree but is just an analogy of how the universe works. For example, let's imagine a universe have a higher dimension. Although it's true that 3 dimensional universe is contained inside the higher one, it's not wrong to say higher dimension is also part of universe. Do you get what I am saying? It's just a term. You can't claim that higher dimension can't fit into universe without having a false premise of universe being just three dimensional
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that didnt answer my question
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1-A Yog Sothoth (or whatever she called) seems fine based on the fact that she transcends and independent of very definition/concept of spacetime and how she is superior to it too (all things are created in her hands)
I will comment on SOQ and Chaos when i get time but b4 that, i would like to ask if all the translations provided are correct or not.
I will comment on SOQ and Chaos when i get time but b4 that, i would like to ask if all the translations provided are correct or not.
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Weiner04 from deep 3 point range.
I can confirm at least that the translations for the sea of quanta description from the VN (which is used in the op) is accurate. The chaos stuff ill wait on weaver to confirm
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Yes, I have confirmed the wordings multiple times to ensure all are correct. The main thing I want you to understand is that although I wrote that SoQ = Primordial chaos, I am not saying SoQ is no longer 11D. I am just saying there exists another layer above the sea which allows the birth of imaginary tree. But people in this thread seems to get confused by the terms. Imaginary space is Low 1-A as per old scaling. But downgraded due to the tree being born through sea of quanta but that's just localization error and not true. The tree is born through primordial chaos which I am proposing L1-A of. Imaginary tree real spaces and universes will remains as current scales and SoQ as well. Only imaginary space and primordial chaos will get L1-A
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Why do you guys even talking about MWI??. It is completely irrelevant to the thread
Anyway i remember i already commented and voted
I disagree with Low 1-A Primordial Chaos. Not only most of the scans didn't actually say what the OP have wrote but also the interpretation is a huge stretch and leap in logic
Primordial Chaos is explicitly the SoQ which have defined level of dimensionality. Trying to say the deeper of the Sea is somehow a deeper layer of reality is another huge stretch of logic, because the Sea is a metaphor thus the language goes with it should also align with the metaphor of the system of an Ocean, which the World is Bubble and when it go down, the metaphor for it is "sinking deeper into the Sea", it isn't hard to understand, idk why a simple logic is exaggrated into deeper layers of reality
Su scans is just....idk what to say, it is a completely unelaborated place that why don't really know it explicit place in the cosmology, the only thing we know is it is above the sea, because in finale of the manga, iirc, Su was stated to have "ascended" into that place and Su sim in Elysian Realm said it is above. So idk why that place was slapped together with the SoQ to make it like it is another layer of the Sea; one is explicitly going up, the other is explicitly going down
About the "going deeper" is just, the Leaf World on the Tree is a real, healthy world, if it fall down, it fall down to the Sea, become Bubble World, and the Bubble World will slowly sinking down to the bottom of the Sea, represent the process of getting deleted/absorbed by the Sea. The Tree then absorb "nutrition" from the sea, to nuture its branchs and leafs. This relation is described in the early day HI3rd and not much have changed from that. There is a reason why SoQ have EE because it slowly erasing thing, it is just its EE property, not something such as a Low 1-A nonexistent void that is ground for all physical dimensions
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Anyway i remember i already commented and voted
I disagree with Low 1-A Primordial Chaos. Not only most of the scans didn't actually say what the OP have wrote but also the interpretation is a huge stretch and leap in logic
Primordial Chaos is explicitly the SoQ which have defined level of dimensionality. Trying to say the deeper of the Sea is somehow a deeper layer of reality is another huge stretch of logic, because the Sea is a metaphor thus the language goes with it should also align with the metaphor of the system of an Ocean, which the World is Bubble and when it go down, the metaphor for it is "sinking deeper into the Sea", it isn't hard to understand, idk why a simple logic is exaggrated into deeper layers of reality
Su scans is just....idk what to say, it is a completely unelaborated place that why don't really know it explicit place in the cosmology, the only thing we know is it is above the sea, because in finale of the manga, iirc, Su was stated to have "ascended" into that place and Su sim in Elysian Realm said it is above. So idk why that place was slapped together with the SoQ to make it like it is another layer of the Sea; one is explicitly going up, the other is explicitly going down
About the "going deeper" is just, the Leaf World on the Tree is a real, healthy world, if it fall down, it fall down to the Sea, become Bubble World, and the Bubble World will slowly sinking down to the bottom of the Sea, represent the process of getting deleted/absorbed by the Sea. The Tree then absorb "nutrition" from the sea, to nuture its branchs and leafs. This relation is described in the early day HI3rd and not much have changed from that. There is a reason why SoQ have EE because it slowly erasing thing, it is just its EE property, not something such as a Low 1-A nonexistent void that is ground for all physical dimensions
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its a hoyo thread are you really surprised we didnt address the main topic
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translations are offical, IHI3 its translated almost entierly, using the web
The core game (chapters, events) is translated, allowing English speakers to play from start to finish.
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I'm genuinely confused about how is this 1-A.
Nova explained it above. What Yog does is giving spatio-temporal boundaries to the primordial Chaos. It's not a literal R>F.
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I just want to know if we have the raws
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since we were asking for the raw... does anyone here actually know chinese..?
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English translations are made by human translator from hoyostan which one of the people here vouched for as natives. I have talked with hoyostan people too and I don't also doubt about that. Not to even mention that we already also got translation help from translation thread back in yog sothoth thread.
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