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  • Takes place in Diamond is Unbreakable Episode 15, only with Higuruma hiding behind the door instead of Josuke
  • Culling Game Arc Higuruma is used
  • Deadly Sentencing is activated once Higuruma sees Rohan using Heaven's Door on Koichi and Okuyasu
  • Rohan needs a not guilty verdict to win and can't plead guilty
LET THE TRIAL COMMENCE!!

Rohan: 1

Higuruma:

Tie:
 
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Ain't Higuruma taking an L here because Rohan technically acted in self-defense?
Here's the article in the penal code about home invasion (Crimes Chapter 12 Article 130)
Here's the article about self-defense (General Provisions Chapter 7 Article 36)

He didn't commit an excess, he used his Stand to incapacitate the invaders lol
This honestly lol, he can legit just make this argument and while Rohan prolly doesn't know much about law he should be smart enough to make this argument
 
Ain't Higuruma taking an L here because Rohan technically acted in self-defense?
But he was going to burn Okuyasu up and it's hard to defend him ripping a page out of Koichi's face

Although I chose this match up also because I was curious if Heaven's Door could be used in Deadly Sentencing
 
I decided to screenshot the scene so we are aware of what exactly happened up until Higurama would have stepped in:

 
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But he was going to burn Okuyasu up and it's hard to defend him ripping a page out of Koichi's face
Breaking and entering and threatening to kill. Plus Rohan is so far up his own ass he probably doesn't even recognize the act as completely malicious (it's for the sake of his manga and he views it as a honor for Koichi, he even says it shouldn't be a big deal as he'd live on in his manga), like at worst it'd more likely be deemed an act of insanity or some shit especially as Rohan did not intend to actually push Koichi to the point of death as revealed later, he just got way to into it because he just learned about all these super powers and shit.

Okuyasu legit broke into his home, threatened to crush him, and had it set so it'd only happen if Josuke were to do something that'd inconvenience him. You could legit argue that in a court to be justified.

Like Rohan is a egotistical sack of shit but he ISN'T evil per say he mellows out thoo but this is before that.

Though how Rohan's own Stand could come into play here might help, he does have ways to borderline powernull so that's something to take into account.
 
Though how Rohan's own Stand could come into play here might help, he does have ways to borderline powernull so that's something to take into account.
This is also why I created this thread, I'm curious as to how Deadly Sentencing and Heaven's Door would interact with each other.
 
But he was going to burn Okuyasu up and it's hard to defend him ripping a page out of Koichi's face

Although I chose this match up also because I was curious if Heaven's Door could be used in Deadly Sentencing
He was acting against 4 people who he did his best to incapacitate, so that the threat was over lmao

Since Part 4 takes place in 1999, shouldn't the penal code from that year be referenced and not the current one?
Hard to imagine that those specific two articles were dramatically changed since they refer to stuff that can't be re-intepreted
"you can't go into someone's home" and "you can moderately defend yourself against threats to your security, with 'moderately' depending on the situation you're facing"

But if you can find that the text from an older version of the penal code substantiates that Rohan commited an excess (which i honestly find quite hard to believe) then you please bring it up for us to debate it
 
But if you can find that the text from an older version of the penal code substantiates that Rohan commited an excess (which i honestly find quite hard to believe) then you please bring it up for us to debate it
This is what I managed to find so far:


Of course I had asked because in that year Japan was using a different bar exam than during the time of JJK, so you would assume that the penal code would have been different also.
 
Of course I had asked because in that year Japan was using a different bar exam than during the time of JJK, so you would assume that the penal code would have been different also.
Yeah ig there were some differences but it's quite hard to believe that he commited an excess against literally 4 guys who invaded his home and iirc 2 threatened violence with one of them even commiting an act of violence lol
 
iirc 2 threatened violence with one of them even commiting an act of violence lol
Looking at the imgur slideshow, Josuke didn't beat Rohan up yet, but Okuyasu did threaten violence

it's quite hard to believe that he commited an excess against literally 4 guys who invaded his home
What exactly would count as excess if ripping pages out of someone or almost burning someone alive doesn't count?
 
What exactly would count as excess if ripping pages out of someone or almost burning someone alive doesn't count?
Ripping pages just take memories and/or powers out of someone in a painful process, he's basically using his magical ghost's ability to make the guy who entered his some suffer

almost burning someone who invaded your home and thretened violence is not an excess as it was a response to the threat. Even if he did burn Okuyasu up a bit it shouldn't configurate excess as you just responded to a violent group IMO

Rohan's an antagonist here just because he's responding violently to an invading and violent group if you think real deep about it
 
he's basically using his magical ghost's ability to make the guy who entered his some suffer
Wouldn't Higuruma treat it like a domain expansion or curse technique though?

And I'm sure that Rohan wrote had in Koichi to come into his home willingly, thus making him more of Rohan's house guest and not an invader
 
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Wouldn't Higuruma treat it like a domain expansion or curse technique though?

And I'm sure that Rohan wrote had in Koichi to come into his home willingly, thus making him more of Rohan's house guest and not an invader
Even if so, defending yourself against home invaders with "a curse technique" that has killed nobody is not punishable

Can you get a scan for that? I can't remember it. Even it that's the case, would reduce the home invaders from 4 to 3, or 2 if he wrote it in the mannequin-stand-fella too
 
This is literally "IF YOUR FRIEND KEEP INVADING MY HOUSE THREATENING ME WITH VIOLENCE YOU'LL KILL YOURSELF"
Then if you don't invade the guys' house, nothing happens

it's the same as pointing a gun at Okuyasu and saying "if y'all don't get out of my house i'll shoot you"
 
it's the same as pointing a gun at Okuyasu and saying "if y'all don't get out of my house i'll shoot you"
Although how is Okuyasu supposed to "get out of Rohan's house" unfurled like that? And being shot at isn't the same as being burned alive.
 
Although how is Okuyasu supposed to "get out of Rohan's house" unfurled like that?
From a safe distance, if Okuyasu collaborates by not letting Josuke get close to him, it is not impossible for Heaven's Door to just let him walk normally again, from what he can assume

From all those guys have done, it all seemed pretty clear: get tf away from me or there will be consequences

And being shot at isn't the same as being burned alive.
Death as a consequence as keep threatening after a warning that there'll be consequences if the threat goes on
Seems pretty much the same to me
 
Reading what i'm saying it really seems that i think Rohan was correct by all standarts so lemme have this cleared up:

I only think he's not judicially wrong here
 
Death as a consequence as keep threatening after a warning that there'll be consequences if the threat goes on
Seems pretty much the same to me
Well, if you got shot in the leg, you won't have any permenant disfigurement to your body as long as you go to the hospital to get the bullet removed. However getting burned can disfigure you for life, there are many tragic instances of this happening.
 
Although what can we say for Koichi's case, is he really an invader if Rohan was expecting him?
No he's not, i talked about it quite a bit earlier.

Well, if you got shot in the leg, you won't have any permenant disfigurement to your body as long as you go to the hospital to get the bullet removed. However getting burned can disfigure you for life, there are many tragic instances of this happening.
If you gave your best for the person to stop threatening you and the didn't by their own will, what more can you do, give up?
 
Looking at the imgur slideshow, Josuke didn't beat Rohan up yet, but Okuyasu did threaten violence


What exactly would count as excess if ripping pages out of someone or almost burning someone alive doesn't count?
Bro if a dude with a superhuman punch goes that has like void manip and BFR and EE rolled into one threatened to kill me, burning him alive with a caveat of "only if the other dude who broke in tries to **** with me", is actually legally well within right.
Hell if someone randomly broke into my home I could straight up paint my walls with them and the law would help me clean them up, that ain't excess, you're straight up basically allowed to murder dudes under some circumstances.
Although how is Okuyasu supposed to "get out of Rohan's house" unfurled like that? And being shot at isn't the same as being burned alive.
Okuyasu literally to Rohan's face stated he was going to kill, or at the very least maim him.

Now why he said he was going to do that? Lil iffy, but Okuyasu was acting in excess ironically.
 
Does ripping pages out of him or taking away his weight not count?

Also, would writing anything in Koichi count as coercion?
Despite what seems to many, i don't really think Rohan would kill Koichi. If you think hard enough, as a successful mangaka who's always in a pursuit for inspiration, he would have killed many to reach it or at least attempt it against another person later?

I think that if Judgeman accuses Rohan of assault there is all the arguments above to get him free, but maybe Rohan doesn't have enough to get himself free against a Coertion accusation, now that u asked. But i think the most obvious accusation would be assault, and it is not controlled by Higuruma, so i still think Rohan gets his ass free
 
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