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I'd like to know the tier of something being able to face tank pistol shots point blank and being resistant to military guns (it seems to be rifles) Here's the stuff btw
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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It even carries over across continuity (parademon stuff for new 52 and rebirth should be the same as they're the cyborg variants but there's also the stuff of the New 52 being a rogue timeline that's been reabsorbed by mainline. They're also the second strain of parademons used next to the purple ones in current dc)
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Artistic licenseWell, 1-A still doesn't make sense based on what was shown in the linked scans. Superhero stories with many hundreds of different writers are extremely inconsistent, and The Rock of Eternity was apparently treated as a physical object in this one.
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Around 9-C
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Street level? I thought it'd be wall level at least XD
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Most of the damage from bullets comes from piercing not their actual energy, this website doesn’t calculate piercing damage
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Ah that explains a bit. So would it be limited invulnerability to piercing weapons?
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Invulnerability requires confirmation that your immune to harm not just highly durable, piercing can be withstood through plain durability even if we don’t calculate it
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Fair enough.
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Why would it be illogical for Shazam to perform this feat after being amped by its magic? I really don't see how its a contradiction, and with that logic, we should remove 1-A Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman just because her base self isn't stronger than SupermanWell, 1-A still doesn't make sense based on what was shown in the linked scans. Superhero stories with many hundreds of different writers are extremely inconsistent, and The Rock of Eternity was apparently treated as a physical object in this one.
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Parademons are at least Batman lvl anyways
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At least. Looking at some of their stuff while their dura isn't great they have some ap feats against younger heralds
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Moon level Parademons lol but hey I'll take it. 9A|5C at peak
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If it’s with amp, then there’s no problem. At least it’s not like the Marvel profiles, where characters are Tier 1-A and it’s not even clear where the feat originates from. You’re just redirected from one profile to another, and in the end, you still can’t understand the reason why the characters are considered 1-A
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how do make blog?
i made sun eaters blog but when i saved, this comes up.......
"This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: You have tried to insert disallowed external links into a page. Please remove them all and try again."
i wanted to make 1 and post it here so i can request a page for sun eaters
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Action comics 1938 issue 847
Adventures of Superman: The Book of El 2025 issue 5
i made sun eaters blog but when i saved, this comes up.......
"This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: You have tried to insert disallowed external links into a page. Please remove them all and try again."
i wanted to make 1 and post it here so i can request a page for sun eaters
Action comics 1938 issue 847
Adventures of Superman: The Book of El 2025 issue 5
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nvm
i figured it out
i figured it out
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Blog For Sun Eaters
can we make a page for sun eaters?
their scaling should be around multi solar system-multi galaxy
can we make a page for sun eaters?
their scaling should be around multi solar system-multi galaxy
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Yes, but artistic license in terms of enormously powering down what would be required to perform the feat in question. Suddenly setting a normally 2-C flying brick superhero as 1-A, which completely contradicts the scaling for the entire verse, is not remotely logically reasonable.
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Shazam is always empowered by magic from the Rock of Eternity as far as I am aware, and here it had also descended to a much lower level of reality, which canonically powers it down enormously according to how DC Comics cosmology officially functions. This is like scaling Superman and other superheroes to 1-A for being able to fight against the New Gods descended from their godhead states.
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1-A Batman scaling from fighting against Parademons apparently, since they also have ascended godhead states due to living on Apokolips...
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Yes. They should be powered down a lot. But the fan stonewalling is extremely strong whenever I bring it up.
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Emmanations =/= Godhead forms. The 2 aren't even related to Shazam's case1-A Batman scaling from fighting against Parademons apparently, since they also have ascended godhead states due to living on Apokolips...
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flash 2023 issue 29
immortality type 4 and 8 for speedsters?
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Superheroes should never be rated as high as 1A unless they have some external power ups . This is not a Marvel page but baseline Thor being 1A is an outlier as well especially fear itself says Rune king Thor only effected the baseline yggdrasill instead of true yggdrasill
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As I said 3x already, Shazam had an external powerup
He'd still need to push it back to its original plane of reality.and here it had also descended to a much lower level of reality, which canonically powers it down enormously according to how DC Comics cosmology officially functions. This is like scaling Superman and other superheroes to 1-A for being able to fight against the New Gods descended from their godhead states.
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it doesn’t contradict the scaling of the entire verse because he was ampedYes, but artistic license in terms of enormously powering down what would be required to perform the feat in question. Suddenly setting a normally 2-C flying brick superhero as 1-A, which completely contradicts the scaling for the entire verse, is not remotely logically reasonable.
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The only thing that I can think of where that’s the case is kosmos and molecule man, everyone else that’s 1-A scales to the astral plane directly or indirectly
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Shazam is always powered by the rock of eternity but he gets a lot more of it’s power post 2023Shazam is always empowered by magic from the Rock of Eternity as far as I am aware, and here it had also descended to a much lower level of reality, which canonically powers it down enormously according to how DC Comics cosmology officially functions. This is like scaling Superman and other superheroes to 1-A for being able to fight against the New Gods descended from their godhead states.
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Seems fine
flash 2023 issue 29
immortality type 4 and 8 for speedsters?
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Thor is literally a god, and over 50% elder god, his 1-A is far from unreasonable especially with how consistent it is that he holds back a lot and how many 1-A feats he has, and affecting ygsradil isn’t even close to his only 1-A feat and what does baseline ygsradil even mean and where in there does it say he only affected baseline ygsradil
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I know someone mentioned this before but Marvel and DC both have so many 1-A—+ disqualifier instances we just ignore for aesthetic big tier reasons. There’s no real consistency here, it’s just that Marvel has more 1-As applied because supporters are more active.
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It is the same principle of a higher level of existence descending and being automatically depowered in DC's standard manner.
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Not remotely amplified a beyond absolute infinity number of times...
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Which doesn't matter at all for such an extreme tier, and it was too temporary to warrant a key according to our rules anyway.
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Yes, strongly agreed. We are cherry-picking extreme outliers to upscale the characters to ridiculous extremes.
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An entire key was never granted anyways? It just says "at peak" due to it being a one issue ampWhich doesn't matter at all for such an extreme tier, and it was too temporary to warrant a key according to our rules anyway.
Will copy paste my response to this:It is the same principle of a higher level of existence descending and being automatically depowered in DC's standard manner.
He'd still need to push it back to its original plane of reality.
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Not only did he directly affect the Rock from the plane it originates from, but it was still passing throught a portal between Prime Earth and the OrreryIt is the same principle of a higher level of existence descending and being automatically depowered in DC's standard manner.
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If what amps him is 1-A there’s no reason to assume that he isn’t amped by a beyond infinite amountNot remotely amplified a beyond absolute infinity number of times...
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No we aren’t, we are literally doing the opposite of that, most of the characters that are rated 1-A have an excuse for being 1-A, whereas characters who have 1-A feats but no excuse usually aren’t rated 1-AYes, strongly agreed. We are cherry-picking extreme outliers to upscale the characters to ridiculous extremes.
