Xiao fights Cinder Fall

[Homie890]

Uh... Cinder Fall somehow ended up in Atlas and she decided to kill Xiao. Fin.
Rules:
Battle takes place in Atlas
Cinder is on her Post-Beacon Key.
She has her Maiden Powers.
Xiao has E.G.O
both are L7B
Speed is equal.

Votes:
The Iron Maiden: Steve1775
The Fall Maiden

 

[Homie890]

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[Steve1775]

Xiao's fire attacks are really annoying, but Cinder does have the lifting strength advantage. Pu Lao can possibly nullify Cinder's attempt to increase her strength with Aura. I'm going with Xiao for now

 

[Steve1775]

Uh... Cinder Fall somehow ended up in Atlas and she decided to kill Xiao. Fin.

Also, really funny story

 

[Homie890]

Xiao's fire attacks are really annoying, but Cinder does have the lifting strength advantage. Pu Lao can possibly nullify Cinder's attempt to increase her strength with Aura. I'm going with Xiao for now

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[Homie890]

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[Homie890]

bump

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

Xiao could use Statistics reduction via shockwave, also she has instinctive action.
The passive power nullification also could prevent any means of enhanching Power, and her E.G.O. activated heats her surrounding area enough to substantially burn even foes on her level.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Xiao could use Statistics reduction via shockwave, also she has instinctive action.

Though the question is would that still take effect when it gets blocked by Cinder's Aura forcefield.

The passive power nullification also could prevent any means of enhanching Power, and her E.G.O. activated heats her surrounding area enough to substantially burn even foes on her level.

I'm not sure if Xiao's Power Nullification would work as I don't think Aura and/or Magic can be equalized to E.G.O/Light. and she can probably deal with the passive heat with her Aura forcefield, though Cinder's Aura reserves will definitely end up rapidly depleting over the course of the match.

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

Though the question is would that still take effect when it gets blocked by Cinder's Aura forcefield.

I'm not sure if Xiao's Power Nullification would work as I don't think Aura and/or Magic can be equalized to E.G.O/Light. and she can probably deal with the passive heat with her Aura forcefield, though Cinder's Aura reserves will definitely end up rapidly depleting over the course of the match.

The Light was already qualified as UES, it was like saying HAKI user couldn't be defeated if the opponent doesn't had HAKI.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Project Moon My Worst enemy who I absolutely despise the most, whose games I don't play & uhhh RWBY, idk I don't watch that show, but from what I heard, probably not good as well.


following cuz why the **** not

 

[Homie890]

Project Moon My Worst enemy who I absolutely despise the most, whose games I don't play & uhhh RWBY, idk I don't watch that show, but from what I heard, probably not good as well.


following cuz why the **** not

Dunno why i just posted this
Gonna play Ultrakill now

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Gonna play Ultrakill now

awesome, I love ultrakill.

 

[MysticBrawler]

The Light was already qualified as UES, it was like saying HAKI user couldn't be defeated if the opponent doesn't had HAKI.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't UES from different verses need to similar enough to each other in order for them to be equalized? Also that comparison to Haki doesn't really work since Haki's not a UES. I think a better comparison would be like saying Sea Prism Stones could negate any kind of ability even though it's explicitly stated to only work on Devil Fruit abilities. With that said, I think Xiao's Power Nullification could work against Cinder's Magic-based Statistics Amplification since Magic does exist in the Project Moon via the Magical Girl Abnormalities, but I don't think it would against her Aura-based Statistic Amplification as the Light isn't really Life-energy so they aren't really compatible enough for Xiao's Power Nullification to work.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

will respond to this i. A minute but yall are missing a ton of stuff for cinder

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Xiao's fire attacks are really annoying, but Cinder does have the lifting strength advantage.

So funnily enough, Cinder's fire is even more dangerous than Xiao's, as her fire is hot enough to flash-incinerate people who can withstand heat comparable to the sun

Pu Lao can possibly nullify Cinder's attempt to increase her strength with Aura. I'm going with Xiao for now

That would only apply to her active amp, it wouldnt make Cinder any weaker in the long run

Xiao could use Statistics reduction via shockwave

To what degree does it reduce stats? And does it need to actually hit the opponent? Because Cinder has multiple forcefields.

, also she has instinctive action.

So do several RWBY characters that Cinder has fought and beaten

The passive power nullification also could prevent any means of enhanching Power, and her E.G.O. activated heats her surrounding area enough to substantially burn even foes on her level.

See my previous responses

she can probably deal with the passive heat with her Aura forcefield, though Cinder's Aura reserves will definitely end up rapidly depleting over the course of the match.

The thing is Cinderis fully capable of fighting without her Aura, all it does is fuel the forcefield and her semblance, both of which are compensated for by her Maiden powers which are Magic, not Aura-based.

With that said, I think Xiao's Power Nullification could work against Cinder's Magic-based Statistics Amplification since Magic does exist in the Project Moon via the Magical Girl Abnormalities, but I don't think it would against her Aura-based Statistic Amplification as the Light isn't really Life-energy so they aren't really compatible enough for Xiao's Power Nullification to work.

Considering Cinder is starting in her Maiden form in this match, it would not be able to nullify her stats. If she were starting in base and just had access to it yes, but going by the OP her stats are hard set at Small City level.

 

[Steve1775]

snip

To be fair, her profile doesn't give us a good feel of how hot her flames are

 

[WeeklyBattles]

To be fair, her profile doesn't give us a good feel of how hot her flames are

I mean, it sorta does? Igniting matter just from contact with the air puts it in the 200 to 1000 Celsius range

Which is well below Cinder's heat range even just by her own feats of heat

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't UES from different verses need to similar enough to each other in order for them to be equalized? Also that comparison to Haki doesn't really work since Haki's not a UES. I think a better comparison would be like saying Sea Prism Stones could negate any kind of ability even though it's explicitly stated to only work on Devil Fruit abilities. With that said, I think Xiao's Power Nullification could work against Cinder's Magic-based Statistics Amplification since Magic does exist in the Project Moon via the Magical Girl Abnormalities, but I don't think it would against her Aura-based Statistic Amplification as the Light isn't really Life-energy so they aren't really compatible enough for Xiao's Power Nullification to work.

Universal Energy System Examples
The Force (Star Wars)
Chakra (Naruto)
Ki (Dragon Ball)
Haki (One Piece)
Reiatsu (Bleach)
Chaos Energy (Archie Sonic Comics)
Reiki (Yu Yu Hakusho)
Wireless Energy Lattice (Assassin's Creed)
Demonic Energy (Devil May Cry)
Magic (God of War)
Ether (Xenoblade)
Mana (Ben 10)
Ghost Energy (Danny Phantom)
The Weave (Dungeons and Dragons)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

To be fair, her profile doesn't give us a good feel of how hot her flames are

Yeah just double checked, her heat currently scales above this feat

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CrimsonStarFallen/Lobotomy_Corporation:_Firebird_exists

871 Celsius

Versus Cinder's heat which just by its own feats is over 3000 Celsius, and through scaling is over 27,700 Celsius

Heat is not going to be in Xiao's favor for this fight

 

[MysticBrawler]

Universal Energy System Examples
The Force (Star Wars)
Chakra (Naruto)
Ki (Dragon Ball)
Haki (One Piece)
Reiatsu (Bleach)
Chaos Energy (Archie Sonic Comics)
Reiki (Yu Yu Hakusho)
Wireless Energy Lattice (Assassin's Creed)
Demonic Energy (Devil May Cry)
Magic (God of War)
Ether (Xenoblade)
Mana (Ben 10)
Ghost Energy (Danny Phantom)
The Weave (Dungeons and Dragons)

Huh, I guess I missed that one, though my point still stands though. That is a UES can only be equalized to another UES if they're compatible with one another which Aura and Light are not.

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

So funnily enough, Cinder's fire is even more dangerous than Xiao's, as her fire is hot enough to flash-incinerate people who can withstand heat comparable to the sun

it doesn't matter since Xiao had Bā Xià, Xiao is unable to be harmed by burning, even including other similarly powerful assailants such as The Crying Children at its apex. In addition, the effectiveness of any other pervasive ailment is halved.

(Crying children is tier 4 character because he is part of distortions ensemble, but I won't bring it up since there's no one create crying children profile yet.)

Chī Wěn: Xiao slashes, defends, and strikes, inflicting heavy burns to herself and to her enemy. She also reduces the harm she takes from burns, which is generally extraneous since E.G.O. Xiao is already immune to burns, but if she's on fire she will also heal herself and buff her defenses.

She's literally the fire itself.

That would only apply to her active amp, it wouldnt make Cinder any weaker in the long run

that's not true, she has Pú Láo, Xiao periodically negates any empowerment, including that of physical statistics. This includes herself, to an extent.

To what degree does it reduce stats? And does it need to actually hit the opponent? Because Cinder has multiple forcefields.

The shockwave doesn't need to hit opponent, since it was only a sound that ignore any defense. Xiao capable of screaming loud enough to create an offensive shockwave.

So do several RWBY characters that Cinder has fought and beaten

Could you give me the RWBY characters example, i didn't found anyone she fight that has instinctive action

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Huh, I guess I missed that one, though my point still stands though. That is a UES can only be equalized to another UES if they're compatible with one another which Aura and Light are not.

Even Magic in RWBy wouldnt be comparable, Light is a mind-centric system, Magic isnt

 

[WeeklyBattles]

it doesn't matter since Xiao had Bā Xià, Xiao is unable to be harmed by burning, even including other similarly powerful assailants such as The Crying Children at its apex. In addition, the effectiveness of any other pervasive ailment is halved.

(Crying children is tier 4 character because he is part of distortions ensemble, but I won't bring it up since there's no one create crying children profile yet.)

Chī Wěn: Xiao slashes, defends, and strikes, inflicting heavy burns to herself and to her enemy. She also reduces the harm she takes from burns, which is generally extraneous since E.G.O. Xiao is already immune to burns, but if she's on fire she will also heal herself and buff her defenses.

She's literally the fire itself.

See my previous comments. Unless there is a better feat that im not seeing, Xiao's best heat feat is 871 C, while Cinder just through her own feats is over 3000 C, and through scaling is over 27,700 C. 'Unable to be harmed' is an No Limits Fallacy, it would only apply to stuff she's actually shown to be unharmed by. The tier of the opponent doesnt matter, the actual temperature of the heat does.

that's not true, she has Pú Láo, Xiao periodically negates any empowerment, including that of physical statistics. This includes herself, to an extent.

Cinder doesnt have any forms of empowerment beyond the small boost she can give herself by focusing her Aura. She isnt any weaker with this ability removed.

The shockwave doesn't need to hit opponent, since it was only a sound that ignore any defense. Xiao capable of screaming loud enough to create an offensive shockwave.

Gotcha, but how much does it actually weaken the opponent?

Could you give me the RWBY characters example, i didn't found anyone she fight that has instinctive action

Ruby Rose, Yang Xiao Long, Maria Calavera, and Penny Polendina

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

Even Magic in RWBy wouldnt be comparable, Light is a mind-centric system, Magic isnt

Light is not mind-centric system, it's include Mind, Soul, And Body
Light consume body (Angela said that we need to sacrifice employee to abnormality in order to gain more enkephalin)
Light create Abnormality from thought
Light corrupt soul to make someone become distortions

 

[Steve1775]

I'm changing my vote to Cinder

 

[MysticBrawler]

Light is not mind-centric system, it's include Mind, Soul, And Body
Light consume body (Angela said that we need to sacrifice employee to abnormality in order to gain more enkephalin)
Light create Abnormality from thought
Light corrupt soul to make someone become distortions

No the Light is in fact stated/implied to be mind-centric as every facet of it always links back to the mind in some way, which is the main point I used to argue in my CRT for why The Light qualifies as a UES to begin with. It's just that The Light can also give one the power to deal damage to one's soul.

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

See my previous comments. Unless there is a better feat that im not seeing, Xiao's best heat feat is 871 C, while Cinder just through her own feats is over 3000 C, and through scaling is over 27,700 C. 'Unable to be harmed' is an No Limits Fallacy, it would only apply to stuff she's actually shown to be unharmed by. The tier of the opponent doesnt matter, the actual temperature of the heat does.

What I want to say is Xiao had Enhanced resistance to Fire Manipulation and Temperature Manipulation when using E.G.O., your statement is too highball. Her best feat is 1450 C

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinoirr/RWBY:_supporting_feats#feat_one

Alright Xiao best heat feat might be 871 but it won't change anything.
because Xiao had resistance to Heat Manipulation (Xiao can endure The Firebird, Xiao can take hits from high level Liu fixers and even the likes of Reverb Ensemble Phillip and a zombified Vermillion Cross.)
So heat level doesn't matter in here.

Xiao has Stamina Manipulation (The flames of Xiao and Miris are extra damaging to the composure and stamina of their foes)
Xiao could just use her heat to make Cinder tired

Cinder doesnt have any forms of empowerment beyond the small boost she can give herself by focusing her Aura. She isnt any weaker with this ability removed.

its funny that she use aura to protect herself from extreme heat, if I read her profile. she use it for numerous purposes.
Pu lao (passive ability)/Power nullification might be hard for her to handle.

Gotcha, but how much does it actually weaken the opponent?

Yes

Ruby Rose, Yang Xiao Long, Maria Calavera, and Penny Polendina

Well then there's only one character which is ruby rose, but the instinctive action only limited when she did cloning. It doesn't show an scenario of she use it to evade from any attacks
Limited Instinctive Action (When duplicating herself, she states there is no thought to that action)

 

[OnlyonethatEXIST]

No the Light is in fact stated/implied to be mind-centric as every facet of it always links back to the mind in some way, which is the main point I used to argue in my CRT for why The Light qualifies as a UES to begin with. It's just that The Light can also give one the power to deal damage to one's soul.

"links back to the mind in some way"
it shouldn't be called as mind-centric since it could be used in various things, such as Abnormality could use sin affinity (which is light related) while they don't have SP.

 

[Steve1775]

What I want to say is Xiao had Enhanced resistance to Fire Manipulation and Temperature Manipulation when using E.G.O., your statement is too highball. Her best feat is 1450 C

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinoirr/RWBY:_supporting_feats#feat_one

Alright Xiao best heat feat might be 871 but it won't change anything.
because Xiao had resistance to Heat Manipulation (Xiao can endure The Firebird, Xiao can take hits from high level Liu fixers and even the likes of Reverb Ensemble Phillip and a zombified Vermillion Cross.)
So heat level doesn't matter in here.

Xiao has Stamina Manipulation (The flames of Xiao and Miris are extra damaging to the composure and stamina of their foes)
Xiao could just use her heat to make Cinder tired

The heat and stamina doesn't really matter since Cinder heat resistance is much higher than what Xiao can dish out. Also Pu Lao would only work if Cinder is amping her stats but since she is already Low7-B at base it wouldn't really matter much, also I remember that it also affects her so really there isn't anything it can do.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What I want to say is Xiao had Enhanced resistance to Fire Manipulation and Temperature Manipulation when using E.G.O.

Unless you have an actual number for what Xiao's heat resistance is with EGO, that is a moot point

, your statement is too highball. Her best feat is 1450 C

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinoirr/RWBY:_supporting_feats#feat_one

Its not a highball at all, her heat flash vaporizes people who can withstand direct electrocution from natural lightning for multiple seconds

She has a calc that uses 3000C but atm her heat is 1540 °C from this

RWBY: Cinder's Melting of Amity

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But its a bit feat anyways as the heat of lightning is several thousand times hotter and her heat is hotter than it.

Alright Xiao best heat feat might be 871 but it won't change anything.
because Xiao had resistance to Heat Manipulation (Xiao can endure The Firebird, Xiao can take hits from high level Liu fixers and even the likes of Reverb Ensemble Phillip and a zombified Vermillion Cross.)
So heat level doesn't matter in here.

It very much does. Unless you have a number for her heat resistance, Xiao's heat resistance is nowhere near enough to allow her to resist Cinder's heat.

Xiao has Stamina Manipulation (The flames of Xiao and Miris are extra damaging to the composure and stamina of their foes)
Xiao could just use her heat to make Cinder tired

Cinder has multiple layers of forcefields that can block fire as well as the ability to directly manipulate fire with her magic

its funny that she use aura to protect herself from extreme heat, if I read her profile. she use it for numerous purposes.

Yes, the barrier shields her from heat

Pu lao (passive ability)/Power nullification might be hard for her to handle.

How so?

Yes

That...doesnt answer my question

Well then there's only one character which is ruby rose, but the instinctive action only limited when she did cloning. It doesn't show an scenario of she use it to evade from any attacks
Limited Instinctive Action (When duplicating herself, she states there is no thought to that action)

The RWBY profiles are currently heavily outdated, all of the characters i listed have feats of instinctive reactions

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Voting for the Girl from the Show I never cared to watch, beating the Girl from the Video Game Studio whose Games I absolutely despise, for Weekly's reasons

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

burn baby burn (bump)

 

[MysticBrawler]

What I want to say is Xiao had Enhanced resistance to Fire Manipulation and Temperature Manipulation when using E.G.O., your statement is too highball. Her best feat is 1450 C

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinoirr/RWBY:_supporting_feats#feat_one

Alright Xiao best heat feat might be 871 but it won't change anything.
because Xiao had resistance to Heat Manipulation (Xiao can endure The Firebird, Xiao can take hits from high level Liu fixers and even the likes of Reverb Ensemble Phillip and a zombified Vermillion Cross.)
So heat level doesn't matter in here.

Xiao has Stamina Manipulation (The flames of Xiao and Miris are extra damaging to the composure and stamina of their foes)
Xiao could just use her heat to make Cinder tired

its funny that she use aura to protect herself from extreme heat, if I read her profile. she use it for numerous purposes.
Pu lao (passive ability)/Power nullification might be hard for her to handle.

The heat and stamina doesn't really matter since Cinder heat resistance is much higher than what Xiao can dish out. Also Pu Lao would only work if Cinder is amping her stats but since she is already Low7-B at base it wouldn't really matter much, also I remember that it also affects her so really there isn't anything it can do.

Unless you have an actual number for what Xiao's heat resistance is with EGO, that is a moot point

I think I found something we could use for Xiao. It's this. In the Image the character is shown melting a blade using the flames of her bracelet. Melting a sword requires heat of 1,370°C–1,510°C, and all high-level combatants in the Project Moon verse are shown and/or implied to be capable of resisting this level of heat. With that said, Xiao's standard equipment should be superior to this since she's the Section 1 Director of the Liu Association(The fixer organization that specializes in using fire-based equipment) and is shown to be capable of burning combatants who resist this level of heat, and her E.G.O gear is in turn superior to her standard equipment.

 

[Steve1775]

I think I found something we could use for Xiao. It's this. In the Image the character is shown melting a blade using the flames of her bracelet. Melting a sword requires heat of 1,370°C–1,510°C, and all high-level combatants in the Project Moon verse are shown and/or implied to be capable of resisting this level of heat. With that said, Xiao's standard equipment should be superior to this since she's the Section 1 Director of the Liu Association(The fixer organization that specializes in using fire-based equipment) and is shown to be capable of burning combatants who resist this level of heat, and her E.G.O gear is in turn superior to her standard equipment.

Yeah but we don't know to what degree now do we, so it won't really matter too much in the long run

 

[MysticBrawler]

Yeah but we don't know to what degree now do we, so it won't really matter too much in the long run

True, but this does mean that Xiao's heat should at bare minimum be within the 1,370°C–1,510°C range which is a lot closer to Cinder's 1540 °C.

 

[Steve1775]

True, but this does mean that Xiao's heat should at bare minimum be within the 1,370°C–1,510°C range which is a lot closer to Cinder's 1540 °C.

Well that means that noone is gonna heat stomp each other then, though I feel we should wait for @WeeklyBattles for response

 

[WeeklyBattles]

True, but this does mean that Xiao's heat should at bare minimum be within the 1,370°C–1,510°C range which is a lot closer to Cinder's 1540 °C.

Cinder's heat isnt 1540 C, its 27700 C

Also theres this which puts the low end range of her heat at 2750 C

RWBY: Cinder Melts Amity Redux - Vs. Battles Wiki

Feat happens here. Cinder's casual fire attacks could melt or vaporize several layers of Amity Colosseum. I'll be using the math from this calc as its the same scene...

vsbattles.miraheze.org

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

when the votes getting updated?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Cinder's heat isnt 1540 C, its 27700 C

Also theres this which puts the low end range of her heat at 2750 C

RWBY: Cinder Melts Amity Redux - Vs. Battles Wiki

Feat happens here. Cinder's casual fire attacks could melt or vaporize several layers of Amity Colosseum. I'll be using the math from this calc as its the same scene...

vsbattles.miraheze.org

An offsite calculation? I though this is what we're going with:

RWBY: Cinder's Melting of Amity

vsbattles.fandom.com