Sans fights Ultimate Life Form again | 17-29-3

[Qurbonboev]

I initially wanted to put Kars against Roaring Knight, but authoritative sources said it was a stomp either way, so instead I am going for vs Sans rematch. What is a difference this time? Sans TK LS is now greater than Kars LS, which does change fight dynamic dramatically.

Kars is in his Ultimate form.
Speed is Equalized.
Distance is 15 meters
Location is the Judgement Hall

OST:


Kars: @Arcker123 , @Poketmonsrs , @DRW001 , @Mommyleona , @MusicRelaxing , @Robo432343 , @DaReaperMan, @LIFE_OF_KING , @Ms.Luzifer , @Lynieryz , @Chariot190 , @NotoriouSoda , @Omegabronic , @AmonInChains , @Da3ggman , @Chritin , @Steve1775 , @Bimbitesthedust , @XSOULOFCINDERX , @Thunderman101 , @GlaceonGamez471 , @Enter_Bluey , @GPR_Shadow , @Deadlock-333 liliminal ,@Voidnether , @Hecky2222 , @Cipher72 , @Mr._East_Statement

Sans: @ShionAH , @Monsters_fight , @Nonynho , @Eden_Warlock99 , @TheOrangeGuy09 , @Qurbonboev
, @LittleGuy99 , @Anonymous_Learner , @Aolphl , @Delusionaltx2 , @CastoriceTheFifth , @God_of_perversion , @Lloydblitzed , @Hellformer , @Lort15 , @VladimirMakarov317 , @BoastJr

Incon: @Greatsage13th , @Thermor , @Edutyn

 

[Delusionaltx2]

leaning towards sans but i'll wait

 

[ShionAH]

sans got this, I will drop my args soon

 

[Chariot190]

Whoever wrote his profile needs to be slapped.
They wrote 11000 tons, as ******* 1100000 tons.

for the record that's like 20x less than Tarkus whenever we get around to shit.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Kars might've been able to dodge sans' first attack if not for sans' sensory hax (Empathic Manipulation), oh well

 

[Chariot190]

Kars might've been able to dodge sans' first attack if not for sans' sensory hax (Empathic Manipulation), oh well

Please tell me you don't mean this

• Minor Empathic Manipulation (When against Sans, the opponents will likely feel guilt as if their sins were crawling on their backs)

Which is not only useless but also has a note that says:
"Due to the fact that in-universe the only characters that Sans fought are evil (those being Flowey and Frisk in the Genocide Route), it's unknown how it would affect other characters in vs threads, and as such it shouldn't be assumed that it has any relevant effect that would result in them being crippled or similar."

 

[ShionAH]

Please tell me you don't mean this

• Minor Empathic Manipulation (When against Sans, the opponents will likely feel guilt as if their sins were crawling on their backs)

Which is not only useless but also has a note that says:
"Due to the fact that in-universe the only characters that Sans fought are evil (those being Flowey and Frisk in the Genocide Route), it's unknown how it would affect other characters in vs threads, and as such it shouldn't be assumed that it has any relevant effect that would result in them being crippled or similar."

Theres a CRT changing it rn to not being Minor that will likely be accepted.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Please tell me you don't mean this

She is just joking around

 

[Chariot190]

Theres a CRT changing it rn to not being Minor that will likely be accepted.

Point me there so I can argue it because that's straight up absurd.

And then explain to me why this matters at all against Kars of all people, as if he doesn't straight up upscale every biological being in the verse by proxy, many of which also wouldn't care.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Point me there so I can argue it because that's straight up absurd.

And then explain to me why this matters at all against Kars of all people, as if he doesn't straight up upscale every biological being in the verse by proxy, many of which also wouldn't care.

Really Controversial Sans CRT...

Minor Empathic Manipulation (When against Sans, the opponents will likely feel guilt as if their sins were crawling on their backs) Note: Due to the fact that in-universe the only characters that Sans fought are evil (those being Flowey and Frisk in the Genocide Route), it's unknown how it would...

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Go fam

 

[ShionAH]

Point me there so I can argue it because that's straight up absurd.

Really Controversial Sans CRT...

Minor Empathic Manipulation (When against Sans, the opponents will likely feel guilt as if their sins were crawling on their backs) Note: Due to the fact that in-universe the only characters that Sans fought are evil (those being Flowey and Frisk in the Genocide Route), it's unknown how it would...

vsbattles.com

And then explain to me why this matters at all against Kars of all people, as if he doesn't straight up upscale every biological being in the verse by proxy, many of which also wouldn't care.

It probably doesn’t? I am not familiar with Kars but UT fandom will shoot me down if I implied the hax would let Sans win here

 

[Chariot190]

Really Controversial Sans CRT...

Minor Empathic Manipulation (When against Sans, the opponents will likely feel guilt as if their sins were crawling on their backs) Note: Due to the fact that in-universe the only characters that Sans fought are evil (those being Flowey and Frisk in the Genocide Route), it's unknown how it would...

vsbattles.com

It's about to be controversial ngl. Tbh it being minor is legit being generous as it is.

It probably doesn’t? I am not familiar with Kars but UT fandom will shoot me down if I implied the hax would let Sans win here

So why are you yapping then? Also, you JUST implied it, like, thrice, what???
What are we doing chat? I'm to tired for this right now what's going on am I being punked.

 

[ShionAH]

It's about to be controversial ngl. Tbh it being minor is legit being generous as it is.

🫩

So why are you yapping then? Also, you JUST implied it, like, thrice, what???
What are we doing chat? I'm to tired for this right now what's going on am I being punked.

What? I said there was a RCT removing minor (correct statement) and then said I don’t believe it would change the conclusion (which you seem to agree with) (probably not was because I don’t know Kars) and that it as a wincon is widely disagreed with from the supporters? Wtf is your problem??

 

[Qurbonboev]

Kars might've been able to dodge sans' first attack if not for sans' sensory hax (Empathic Manipulation), oh well

Girl ragebaited people into thinking it would even be relevant here, against Kars of all people. It's useless against base Kars, more so for this Kars.
Let's go back to actual conversation.
How can Kars hit Sans?

 

[Chariot190]

How can Kars hit Sans?

Squirrels.
Like, dozens of vampire squirrels.
Or danmaku.
Or danmaku that turns into vampire squirrels that turn into giant tentacles that have acid and shoot lasers or some shit.

Dude basically fighting himself but can fight for a year, has cracked af senses and dodging (don't forget Wham's dodges involving literally breaking every bone in his body to contort), and also has danmaku back but all the danmaku are cognizant and can be freely controlled.

 

[Monsters_fight]

Sans FRA

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Sans FRA

See, this is what I mean when I say FRA trains are a problem

 

[Chariot190]

Sans FRA

Literally nobody gave any reason tho what
At least PRETEND you reading or what till someone says SOMETHING

 

[Monsters_fight]

Literally nobody gave any reason tho what
At least PRETEND you reading or what till someone says SOMETHING

My bad.
Sans FRB*

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sans FRA

Bro really FRA'd for something that didn't exist I'm dead.

 

[ShionAH]

QUICK!!! Vote Sans while Chariot is typing in that CRT!!

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Sans FRA

 

[DRW001]

Kars FRA

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Kars FRA

Switching my vote to Kars FRA

anyways we gotta take this seriously

rq someone respond to chariots args (I'm too busy to consistently reply so i'm just gonna watch)

 

[ShionAH]

Instantly when the fight starts Sans will slam Kars down on the ground and then summon giant bones to stab through his body, if he was able to somehow avoid this (they aren't visible until they pierce) he would then be faced with a dozen of bones from top and bottom and all sides leaving only a wiggly way to dodge only to then be attacked by 12 medium sized blasters that are much faster than Kars and then two giant blasters that would cover a wide area to blast. Just getting GRAZED by any of these attacks will poison, dura negate his very soul. So it's wraps if he messes up at all.

Sans is SUCH a hard character that Flowey who did EVERY POSSIBLE ACTION and fought EVERY POSSIBLE monster until he learned EVERYTHING considered Sans to be a BIG problem that caused his "fair share of resets" just the MENTION of someone RELATED to Sans was enough for Flowey to freak the heck out and go on a explanation about how we should NOT talk to him at all or get him involved.

For the danmaku that Kars has can I get the scans?

Anyways Sans can dodge many attacks from Frisk even when he is sleep and even when they literally RESET time to know EXACTLY how and when and where he would dodge without any issue VERY casually. He was able to defeat and traumatize Flowey who has INSANE combat experience and literally logically impossible to dodge danmaku DESPITE save and reset letting them have direct information on what Sans will do, how and when he will do everything.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

folowing

 

[ShionAH]

I wanna mention when Sans really gets serious he starts being able to attack your VERY THOUGHTS OF DOING ACTIONS while it's your "turn".

Kars may as well die to just thinking how he should attack when things get heated.

 

[God_of_perversion]

Yeah Kars ain't doing shit here,Sans canon first move is soul based gravity crushed instantly followed up by soul damaging bones that would kill Kars in a seccond,i don't see resistence to soul manipulation on his profile and even if he did he would still need to deal with Karma any way

 

[Arcker123]

Sans is still out ranged at 15 meters (yes his range is that bad). He legit can't do anything to Kars if he keeps distance

 

[ShionAH]

He legit can't do anything to Kars if he keeps distance

He can just teleport Kars closer with a thought, he isn't gonna stand and watch him keep distance and lose.

Plus he has TK which would start with him slamming Kars down on the ground

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Sans is still out ranged at 15 meters (yes his range is that bad). He legit can't do anything to Kars if he keeps distance

his tp is in the kilometers range

he would just teleport to kars

 

[Arcker123]

He can just teleport Kars closer with a thought, he isn't gonna stand and watch him keep distance and lose.

He never used teleportation in a fight whatsoever.

Plus he has TK which would start with him slamming Kars down on the ground

Kars by doing his standard moves like flight or just moving out range this

 

[ShionAH]

he would just teleport to kars

he is too lazy for that, he'd teleport kars to himself

 

[God_of_perversion]

his tp is in the kilometers range

he would just teleport to kars

Actually Sans can teleport others not only himself and it's instant too

 

[ShionAH]

He never used teleportation in a fight whatsoever.

He canonically is fine using it to keep you in place if you try to avoid him, he is also very smart why would he let Kars outrange him??

Kars by doing his standard moves like flight or just moving out range this

How would he even know Sans has TK? And thats ignoring teleportation

 

[God_of_perversion]

He never used teleportation in a fight whatsoever.

He literally spammed that shit during his fight what are you talking about

 

[Arcker123]

He canonically is fine using it to keep you in place if you try to avoid him

How do you know this isn't TK.

WHats the evidence he can

• Teleport people with his mind
• Do this from range? Even if we said he can reach up to a KM with teleports, it doesn't mean that he can hit the ability from that far

he is also very smart why would he let Kars outrange him??

Kars is smarter. If intellect is what would prevent Kars from simply range abusing, then it won't work.

How would he even know Sans has TK?

Flying is a standard tactic.

And thats ignoring teleportation

Prove he can teleport mid air

 

[ShionAH]

How do you know this isn't TK.

What the ****? First off he isn't moving his hands like he always does with TK neither does our soul move but it just appears in the middle.

Teleport people with his mind

Do this from range? Even if we said he can reach up to a KM with teleports, it doesn't mean that he can hit the ability from that far

Why would his self teleport range be different than his opposing teleportation? You have to prove that.

Kars is smarter. If intellect is what would prevent Kars from simply range abusing, then it won't work.

No? They are both Extraordinary Geniuses.

Flying is a standard tactic.

Doesn't answer my question.

Prove he can teleport mid air

You have to prove that his teleportation has such limitation, why in the world would it not work mid air?? Lol.

 

[God_of_perversion]

How do you know this isn't TK.

WHats the evidence he can

• Teleport people with his mind
• Do this from range? Even if we said he can reach up to a KM with teleports, it doesn't mean that he can hit the ability from that far

Maybe because we are teleported on screen?
1:Maybe because we see it being tought based on screen?
2:they're 15m away not kms away
3:there is no "even of we said" thats what is acepted,there is no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to

Kars is smarter. If intellect is what would prevent Kars from simply range abusing, then it won't work

You really think a genius possible ext genius will let some one range abuse even tho they can stop that with a tought?

Prove he can teleport mid air

Just say you're biased towards kars no one in good fate would make this argument (also he literally tps our flying soul lol)

 

[Arcker123]

What the ****? First off he isn't moving his hands like he always does with TK neither does our soul move but it just appears in the middle.

This is arbitrary. I can just as easily say "his eye flashes and his eye never flashed when he teleports so it's TK"

Teleport people with his mind

I can't reply to YT links on mobile so I'll use this space to address them

1st link - this doesn't prove anything.
2nd link - Begging the question that this is TP. Which you never proved.

Why would his self teleport range be different than his opposing teleportation? You have to prove that

That wasn't the ask. The ask was for you to prove that he can teleport others from such a range.

No? They are both Extraordinary Geniuses.

Sans is only a possible EG. I don't even think his feats qualify for EG anyway (Seriously, reading a quantum physics book in your downtime)
Even then, EG'S can vary wildly. Intelligence ranks aren't usable in lieu of feats anyway. I wouldn't assume some EG is a better cook than even a regular man like Gordon Ramsey for example
Kars's feats of intelligence far, far outweigh Sans'

Doesn't answer my question.

It does. It shows he doesn't need to know about TK to outrange it.

You have to prove that his teleportation has such limitation, why in the world would it not work mid air?? Lol.

Not all teleportations work on the air. This is also a burden shift. Like, I'm asking you to prove Sans' abilities have these functions. That does not saddle me with a burden.

1:Maybe because we see it being tought based on screen?

The actual teleportation process happens off screen. So again, proves nothing.

2:they're 15m away not kms away

Kars can reach that distance quickly. And besides, you'd never be able to prove he could do it from 15m anyway.

You really think a genius possible ext genius will let some one range abuse even tho they can stop that with a tought?

Again, even if you use this intelligence ranking stuff in a way it wasn't intended to be used, Kars is still smarter.

Just say you're biased towards kars no one in good fate would make this argument (also he literally tps our flying soul lol)

Every teleporting character can teleport in mid air ig.