Leaves are universes in the sense they’re independent space-times. Their size varies otherwise. The Asdana System being a spiral galaxy and the HI3 system being the size of our IRL solar systems are our only hard confirmed notion of how big leaves are.just say asdana galaxy, thats millions of light years big, but idk why even assume tree is galaxy when himeko says leaves are universes like how does that even make sense
Is it possible to downgrade everyone to Low 2-C from not scaling to the whole Tree in this thread or would I have to make another CRT for that?
It even contradicts the fact that it's straight up explained that only 4-dimensional real space is capable of producing any meaning or sustaining relationships that characterize physicality like speed or size and that objects of imaginary space (which is everything outside of 4-dimensional real space) are incapable of physically interfering with objects existing in the space of real numbers (which is everything that exists in 4D space).
I don't think you understand what my argument actually is. Yes, he was telling the truth about using a higher dimension, but he was also bluffing about various things such as pretending to sever Welt's limbs when he actually didn't as well as literally betraying everyone he worked with. Some things he says are true, but overall he's not reliable.
Really? You're telling me Ryusuke didn't have higher AP than Welt? That literally proves my point. Ryusuke was bluffing and claimed that Welt was lower dimensional and that as a result, Ryusuke had pseudo-R>F over Welt (which would've given him uncountably higher AP), which was of course contradicted by the fact that Welt was able to use an imaginary barrier (not even needing his gravity powers) to block one of Ryusuke's attacks. And no, Welt didn't uncountably power up his imaginary barrier or anything, he literally just used his Herrscher abilities to perceive Ryusuke's higher dimension properly. That's hax, not AP.
What does this have to do with Ryusuke?
He wasnt bluffing that he was higher dimensonal towards welt at all, because the very move welt used is explicitly stated to be capable of affecting all dimensions and hence literally has one shot Ryusuke because he was higher dimensional being.
The scan clearly explains that only the four dimensions of realspace are capable of producing any meaning, and blah blah blah I've already explained this multiple times. This obviously contradicts the idea that higher dimensional realities/structures/objects in Honkai are uncountably infinitely more powerful compared to lower dimensional ones.
1. You're ignoring him pretending to cut Welt's limbs off when they were clearly functional enough for Welt to curl his fist (and, of course, when Welt used his powers to properly perceive Ryusuke's dimension, he saw that he was actually still in one piece). A lot of what Ryusuke was doing was just illusions to trick Welt, so it's really stupid of you to assume he's telling the truth about having pseudo-R>F over Welt.
That wasn't because Ryusuke's durability was supposedly infinitely high, it was because he kept redirecting Welt's bullets back at him using his higher dimensional spatial hax. It has nothing to do with higher AP.
Again, that's just hax, not AP. Welt couldn't fully perceive Ryusuke's movements. Plus, Ryusuke didn't even hurt Welt that much. All he did was leave a cut on his arm.
The entire scan talks about Imaginary Space so what is your proof that Alien Space is imaginary space
thats literally the proof that welt couldnt percieve shit when he was in lower dimension, his core allowed him to understand higher dimensions and was not limited to just 3 dimensions, theres literally him saying “dont just limit your mind to three dimensions”
Except thats exactly what his powers does, he used his herrscher authority and powered himself and his abilities, without it his barrier was literally broken to pieces it is also why he was able to unleash singularity rebuild, he literally had to get stronger because otherwise ryusuke would still be able to break his barrier like nothing
I dont rly care if its hax or ap, all im saying is that this is not disqualifier for Ryusuke scaling to higher dimension above welt, because its explicitly said that lower dimensional beings cannot do anything to higher dimensional heings and he only lost after welt used powers that can affect higher dimensions
The scan defines "Imaginary Space" as ALL of the space that exists outside of 4 dimensional space.
If you look at the part where Ryusuke bypasses Welt's barrier it looks less like Ryusuke is shattering the barrier with infinite force and more like Ryusuke's tentacle phased through the barrier by going around it in higher dimensional space. The reason why it fell apart was because Welt saw this happen and decided to dodge instead of continuing to try to block the tentacle. Additionally, Welt wasn't able to block it because he got some nonsensical uncountably infinite boost that isn't hinted at in the comic, but because he was able to perceive the higher dimensional space and block Ryusuke's attack instead of letting it go around Welt's barrier. The comic never says that Welt would get infinitely stronger, but that he'd "understand," "embrace," and "touch" the higher dimensional reality. This change is overwhelmingly portrayed more as a change in his mind's perception rather than his physical power.
I've already explained multiple times why he's not a reliable source, so why are you just assuming that we can trust Ryusuke's words? Nothing supports his credibility.
and nothing stated alien space is outside 4D space so
if only you knew that its impossible to block 4D attack without having 4D construct protect you…
because nothing you said goes against what ryusuke is saying, the fact you treat his own words as bluffing when he blatantly showcases difference between higher and lower dimensionality
can you post it?
Post it lol
It would if true.
ok it was alien space that was destroyed by welt lol i mixed this
But yeah after alien space was nuked they fled into that bubble world
because thats the alien space before ryusuke trapped them using alien key, the entire story of alien space takes place when himeko was alive
i mean the scan mentions “candy jar” which is the tool they use to travel across dimensions, while candy house is the place of the bubble universe where they currently reside
The translation is incorrect. The original text reads “Candy House.”
I understand that Welt attempted to destroy it.
average hoyo translation, but anyway this doesnt change anything they fled from alien space after it was destroyed to whatever bubble world using that tool
The original text says “candy house,” so why is it interpreted as a tool? It can be interpreted that the candy house world possesses dimensional travel capabilities.
because it specifically says the candy house is located inside bubble world in ch 25 EX so it just cannot be world similarly how it was located inside alien space before it was destroyed and they fled to sea of quanta
The reason Candy House is inside the Bubble Universe is simple.
whatever, i just dont see how this has to do with alien space, the small sized bubble is something else entirely while alien space is entire higher dimension so this is irrelevant topic
It's true that the Bubble Universe is different from the Candy House.
and? candy house isnt alien space so this doesnt provide anything relevant
Bro is making fun of ya’ll. Genuinely crazy
You said it's a higher dimension than the Candy House.
we made fun of yogiri only fair
this whole argument is pointless and derailing the thread. candy house is NOT alien space it was just where the sugars moved the candy house to after their world was destroyed. this isnt even taking into account bubble worlds vary in size (scan 2)
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.It's dawn in Korea, so maybe I was too tired to understand what you said. Finally, let me ask: Why is it considered a separate world when both sugar and candy are visible in that space??????????????????????????????????????????????????
bro just saying anything
listen Alien space is the actual 4D space the one ryusuke merged with and literally got entire +1D compared to welt, what you are arguing doesnt have to do anything with the alien space, you already provided that candy house is completely separate stuff related to alien space so arguing this is pointless lol
