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theres no reason why they wouldnt, especially for someone like HooH whos merged with IT itself and IX whos literally called the opposite of the universe
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Yet another Hoyoverse cosmology downgrade
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i mean they are also higher dimensional beings and reside in the higher D realm named path space since we accept the Higher dimensional beings as +1D compared to lower ones from ryusuke theres just no problem for aeons to be low 1-C
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Btw I have spite for the Pom Pom bot because it banned me for calling Lygus a clanker yet EVERYONE else gets away calling Nous "A Dirty Clanker"
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1) Hooh merged with the Web of Logic, not IT.
2) What does IX's feat even matter? I know they affect the whole universe, but my issue here is that "universe" only refers to their current timeline.
Low 1-C requires them to affect the whole higher dimension. But Branches/Leaves (the only thing they fully affect) are explicitly 4D.
The issue I have is that Fuli only records it's own timeline (the past and present). Which also doesn't answer how it's tenable with the fact Nanook wins in many futures (branches) and kills Fuli (the Dahlia specifically), so it cant be that it's influence affects the whole Tree.
The only way I can see this tenable is if the other branches literally do not exist at all, and nor do their leaves.
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it clearly mentions universe here lol
have you provided anything that says universe in hsr isnt just imaginary tree, since the very scan in which herta mentions branches its mentioned that they are all coming from IT and nous calculates the future by pruning fragile branches
well as far as i know the way we accepted the higher dimensional tiering is that higher dimensional beings scale to the dimensionality they are, so if aeons were higher dimensional compared to the entire physical universe (all branches and leaves) they would be low 1-C from that, its why ryusuke is low 2-C from being higher dimensional compared to welt
the futures u mentioned about dahlia are futures predicted by terminus, not fuli nor nous so those futures would have to happen first which they dont because the elio script prevents it from happening
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Tell me what is the web of logic?
Universe refers to the tree we’ve already been over this
These futures are just predictions from elio and nous doesnt lose in any of these timelines. What does nanook even win?
Other branches are affected if the entire tree is affected
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Again, you keep missing my point. I'm debating the fact that "universe" only refers to their own timeline (which is a universe btw)
This explicitly does not work for L1C for the same reasons compactification doesnt work. You need to affect the ENTIRE infinite higher dimension. But Aeon "universal" feats only extend to their branch/timeline
The issue is that for it to be tenable, the other branches have to not exist and for the entirety of IT and Honkaiverse to be a SINGLE timeline. Which seems immediately contradicted by the existence of GGZ.
The thing that controls the movement of the universes' topology (its parts)
Ok? And I don't agree.
Nanook's whole goal is the death of all Paths and Aeons. Like...
Negative tracking
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Soo.. the imaginary tree?
Ok then dont agree but we’ve given more than enough scans that prove the universe referenced the a IT
In every future we see nous doesnt die.
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No?
Like one question: do you think HSR’s timeline is not a universe?
Like you know that “branches” are just copies of the same universe with different events, right?
We see futures where Nanook wins. Which can only happen with the death of all Aeons.
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brother that makes zero sense. herta cannot be mentioning tree making branches and leaves and call it universe if then the same universe is just branch this literally goes against what imaginary tree theory is saying
imma leave this to staff since im not gonna repeat something game is very consistent about
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It’s like you keep missing my point. In a MWI-esque universe, each of the possibilities are ways a universe can be, but each possibility is itself a universe. So I’m saying that unless the other branches do not have real existence (and therefore, the IT is only a single timeline), then it cannot be logically follow that Aeons transcend the whole tree. Otherwise they’d be hopping in and out of timelines as they please and everything like that
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What summary bro . This may as well been @Super_Nova's thread with how 99% of the opposition's downgrade isn't even related to the OP
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I was told my link was broken so ill just paste it here.
im not good with summaries, but everything I (here) and pedja have written on page 1 addresses everything in the OP. regarding what nether sent... its literally fanmade and has nothing to do with the OP. regarding what telomera sent hes literally just taking everything out of context which i disproved in page 3(and here). regarding the dimensions, its outright stated that the bubble worlds have their own choice of inherited dimensions from the SoQ which is an 11 dimensional space (stated multiple times throughout multiple forms of media) so the bubble worlds dimensions cannot POSSIBLY refer to the SoQ or the IT in any way. they are formed as manifolds within higher dimensional spaces which should make the SoQ bare minimum 5D not counting the other 6 dimensions since apparently they arent important. dimensions can be infinite, this is from the same VN as the one with the explanation of the 11D space. Note: this statement is in no way related to hilbert spaces like previous arguments have said. After doing research, the question asked by einstein is not about hilbert spaces and the only reason hilbert was mentioned was to prove he wasnt stupid so einstein wouldnt kick him out. If additional information is needed i can provide when i get home. (I was asked to address this) regarding nova’s statements, he has provided no scans or evidence for his claims and hes even previously stated hes never played hi3 or any of the VNs so there is really nothing to say abt it he doesnt agree thats that nothing more.
im not good with summaries, but everything I (here) and pedja have written on page 1 addresses everything in the OP. regarding what nether sent... its literally fanmade and has nothing to do with the OP. regarding what telomera sent hes literally just taking everything out of context which i disproved in page 3(and here). regarding the dimensions, its outright stated that the bubble worlds have their own choice of inherited dimensions from the SoQ which is an 11 dimensional space (stated multiple times throughout multiple forms of media) so the bubble worlds dimensions cannot POSSIBLY refer to the SoQ or the IT in any way. they are formed as manifolds within higher dimensional spaces which should make the SoQ bare minimum 5D not counting the other 6 dimensions since apparently they arent important. dimensions can be infinite, this is from the same VN as the one with the explanation of the 11D space. Note: this statement is in no way related to hilbert spaces like previous arguments have said. After doing research, the question asked by einstein is not about hilbert spaces and the only reason hilbert was mentioned was to prove he wasnt stupid so einstein wouldnt kick him out. If additional information is needed i can provide when i get home. (I was asked to address this) regarding nova’s statements, he has provided no scans or evidence for his claims and hes even previously stated hes never played hi3 or any of the VNs so there is really nothing to say abt it he doesnt agree thats that nothing more.
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At least it's less than 11 pagesWhat summary bro . This may as well been @Super_Nova's thread with how 99% of the opposition's downgrade isn't even related to the OP
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I disagree with everything.
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My life........ so ehhh, i was sleeping, what is the new issue?
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Nothing pookie we’re summarizing to not reach 10 pages
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CRT derailed to hell caused by an unofficial Discord scan argued as being official
Now the last couple of pages were arguing if the Aeons and co feats scale to the entire tree or they somehow cap at a single branch alongside whether or not the Universe of Honkai is the tree itself or the single branch.
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Idrc about the discord scan, but the branch being timeline is directly stated in Thus Spoke Apocalypse by Otto and later by devs in a video, iirc the video talking something about Otto action of creating infinite possibilities for Kallen. In the video we literally see the tree branch grow when Otto using his power on the tree. And Genshin being a Leaf World is pretty much true.
I will not touch scaling, cause i don't play HSR, but if the Universe is the Tree itself, then applies the VN scan, it is simply a Low 2-C structure
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I agree more if the HSR universe is a branch, and aeons rule over the branch, as you said that branches are timelines. This is also proven why there is no impact of aeons in genshin, and the conditions of the true universe of genshin with hsr are completely different, where the true universe of genshin has been mostly destroyed by the abyss, this is the reason why the primordial one created a new world of humanity to escape the abyss.
If 1 branch is l2c, then the entire tree could possibly be 2b or 2a, depending on how many branches there are on the tree.
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Wasn't there a scan that compared the Imaginary Tree to a single galaxy? If that's the case then the Imaginary Tree should be 3-C instead of High 3-A or Low 2-C. Just go with whatever that makes the most sense to you, we're already on this path anyways. I agree with this downgrade. After this passes, perhaps we should focus on the scaling of the characters as well. We literally saw Kevin didn't even destroy a full moon and judging by many feats, tier 7 seems to be the appropriate consistent tier for everyone honestly.
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Akivili died trying to find an edge to the Imaginary Tree, I'm sure that alone already disproves that Aeons actually scale anywhere near the full extent of the Imaginary Tree.
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it doesnt say at the edge of the tree anywhere on the page...
penacony is a galaxy.. so you're saying penacony = IT in size?
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Trailblaze does not know the endpoint of the imaginary tree.
There are three directions on the compass of destiny — the Unknown, the Known, and the Unknowable. They can tolerate the Unknown, but will never bow to the Unknowable. Akivili left the isolated world of Pegana and continued to expand the unknown edges of the universe, trying to find an endpoint of the Tree of Existence. Unfortunately, Akivili's destiny was abruptly ended due to an accident.
In the Star Rail game, such content is actually written.
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Akivili
Akivili is an Aeon in Honkai: Star Rail representing the Path of Trailblaze. Of all known Aeons, Akivili was the closest to mankind; THEY were recorded adventuring, fighting, and celebrating with mortals.[2] Akivili originated from the planet Pegana, and created the Astral Express to transport...
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Here. That big golden yellow speech bubble, a direct official statement from the game itself not an actual explanation by the HSR wiki.
There are three directions on the compass of destiny — the Unknown, the Known, and the Unknowable. THEY can tolerate the Unknown, but will never bow to the Unknowable.
Akivili left the isolated world of Pegana and continued to expand the unknown edges of the universe, trying to find an endpoint of the Tree of Existence. Unfortunately, Akivili's destiny was abruptly ended due to an accident.
Bro... Penacony is a planet.
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Yeah nah dont think dragon ball scaling is safe either with all that hypertimeline stuff
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VN literally gets nuked out when u realise that in hi3 SoQ and Tree are the universe, and both are higher dimensional realm compared to 4D spacetimes (leaf,branches) which are compared to be flat and empty towards tree and soq, in hsr tree is split between physical realm (4D spacetimes) and path space (actual higher dimensional place because thats where real aeons reside)
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Also this js confirmed my point lol. Not only do they call the PHYSICAL Plane the “Universe”, but they also say Fuli’s power only extends to it (or in this case, the branch/timeline). Which is to say that it “recording the past and present” only refers to Fuli’s own branch/timeline (which is what I’ve been saying for so long)
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I am going to sound like a broken recording rn, but no one is denying that they are higher-dimensional, you are ignoring that 7 of the higher dimensions are compatified and only 4 of those dimensions are infinite. Ignoring how seeing stuff as flat isn't really accepted as quantitative superiority in the tiering system faq to begin with, I also asked Ultima about this a while ago and even with Ryusuke's scan he thinks that is Low 2-C.
The stuff about the Tree being split doesn't make sense, 4D spacetime is already the real space here, Path space is img space since it just exist outside of spacetime.
So... are you arguing that Irontomb only destroyed leaf worlds and not the entire Imaginary tree? because this is what I got from your first scan, combined with your "Tree being higher dimensional realm with Path Space being a higher realm of the tree with leaf worlds being physical ones. (4D)" reasoning, since Irontomb didn't destroy the Path space, he would have only affected the real space.
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i deadass remember both low 1-C for SoQ and Tree was accepted trough ryusukes +1D in this thread
but alright, when even consistent terms with game arent enough i cant argue against anything anymore.
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If you don't see me, dw its not because your eyes are too small, but its because I'm a 5-D human in the Imaginary Tree.
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This doesnt really say he died at the edge of the universe though? He was traveling to find the end of the tree but his journey was cut shortAkivili
Akivili is an Aeon in Honkai: Star Rail representing the Path of Trailblaze. Of all known Aeons, Akivili was the closest to mankind; THEY were recorded adventuring, fighting, and celebrating with mortals.[2] Akivili originated from the planet Pegana, and created the Astral Express to transport...
Here. That big golden yellow speech bubble, a direct official statement from the game itself not an actual explanation by the HSR wiki.
There are three directions on the compass of destiny — the Unknown, the Known, and the Unknowable. THEY can tolerate the Unknown, but will never bow to the Unknowable.
Akivili left the isolated world of Pegana and continued to expand the unknown edges of the universe, trying to find an endpoint of the Tree of Existence. Unfortunately, Akivili's destiny was abruptly ended due to an accident.
Was refering to the dreamscape mb
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just say asdana galaxy, thats millions of light years big, but idk why even assume tree is galaxy when himeko says leaves are universes like how does that even make sense
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The point that person is making seems to be that Akivili doesn't know the end of the tree, and since he doesn't know the end of the tree, he can't exert influence over the entire tree.
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