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Honkai — Abyssal Energy Manipulation

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Since the Honkai and the Imaginary Energy has been accepted in the previous thread, I want to propose for the Aeons and the Cocoon of Finality to be the source of the Abyss in Genshin Impact with Emanators having access to High-level Abyssal Energy Manipulation (to be more clear, Emanators should have the same proficiency as the Sinners and the rest like Stellarons, Chrysos Heirs, Coreflames are High-level Abyssal Energy Manipulation).

There are numerous instances to connect Genshin Impact to Honkaiverse, such as Vera's Melancholy where it refers to the 14 Valkyries on the Starry Sea and that Vera's Melancholy itself is stated somewhere during the 6.2 main event or Durin's story quest which should prove this is canon, the importance of the book is treated the same as Perinheri which was directly advised by Arlecchino to the Traveler to read in the Act 3 of Nod-Krai


The Sea of Stars in Genshin Impact is explained to be something beyond Teyvat and the Dark Sea entirely, containing the planets of those that Octavia visited, the Traveler's planet and Skirk and many more

Not to mention, Teyvat is acknowledged in Honkai: Star Rail albeit the names are distorted but the history is still intact, you could consider this as the work of History Fictionologists but the fact IPC is able to travel there other than the confirmations that Genshin is pretty much within Leaf Worlds should show us that they're inherently resistant to the Abyss given it was acknowledged everything outside of the False Sky is enveloped in Abyssal Energy. Also, the Traveler's Wind Glider is on the Herta Space Station as a relic anyway. Forbidden Knowledge which originates from the very bottom of the Abyss is also stated to be Black Tide in The Folio of Foliage, Forbidden Knowledge is explained as alien in comparison to Teyvat since Teyvat naturally rejects Forbidden Knowledge and it became catastrophic to the world in which we all know the likes of Ryusuke is able to wield the Alien Key against Welt in Sugar Space with Cocoon of Finality being stated as an alien civilization and not to mention Black Tides in HSR and Genshin Impact are the same, especially the False Sky part.

I believe all this are sufficient evidence that the Abyss should be related to Honkai or Imaginary Energy, although Honkai Energy and Imaginary Energy in the end are effectively the same thing regardless. As usual, for those who scales are Nanook and Xipe with the lesser ones being Emanators of Destruction, Chrysos Heirs, Coreflames and those who's able to wield the Stellaron.

This will be the minor revision after 6 pages long but it's more of like that CoF and Aeons aren't the source, they're still capable of manipulating it to the highest degree however — The Imaginary that makes up everything in Honkaiverse includes the Genshin Universe and the supporters, proved that the Dark Universe is just 1:1 of Sea of Quanta, given we don't need this to be stated directly as one if we accepted the primordial chaos to be the Sea of Quanta even if their terminology is differentiated anyway.

Oh yeah, Abyssal Energy will be an extension (subset) of Imaginary Energy instead of it being like Honkai Energy = Imaginary Energy altogether
  • Agree: Super_Nova, Enryu_The_Red_Tower, Yanina92, Frostyyyy12, The_Tetromino_King
  • Neutral: Apotheosis69
  • Disagree: Sahlwrld, Furina003, LoudestProcedure, EddisherSound, Lloydblitzed, Insert_creative_name_here_12
 
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I disagree, not a single statement from Genshin implies anything in this CRT, as this is still just a theory whose truth cannot be proven.

The abyss does not originate from the real universe, but from a different universe, the dark universe.

As I explained before, Genshin has two universes: the real universe and the dark universe.

Even in our latest quest, we've been shown how vast the false sky is, which could even be said to be a third universe created by Phanes.
 
But if I were to be a bit more serious about it; the “Teyvet” is mostly just a reference, or at best js another leaf that diverged from the normal Teyvat if we’re really wanking.
 
Heavily disagree with this, this is basically trying to scale based on Logical Matching and Easter Eggs.
and not to mention Black Tides in HSR and Genshin Impact are the same, especially the False Sky part.
No. That red cube things in Genshin is the visualization of the power of Space, not the "blacktide" they talk about in Genshin.

"Blacktide" in Genshin is always refer to the Abyss becauss they're pitch-black. Do we really wanna say Asmoday is abyssal energy user? No.
 
And also, the Abyss is literally corrupted everything in thr universe to the point that the universe is dying, and we have Surtalogi who apparently so strong that he claimed himself to be the strongest being in the universe because he couldn't find any worthy opponents.

This doesn't work in HSR or HI3 as the universe is very alive and theres not a single mention of Surtalogi, and he would've found Emanators and Aeons as his opponents.
 
And also, the Abyss is literally corrupted everything in thr universe to the point that the universe is dying, and we have Surtalogi who apparently so strong that he claimed himself to be the strongest being in the universe because he couldn't find any worthy opponents.

This doesn't work in HSR or HI3 as the universe is very alive and theres not a single mention of Surtalogi, and he would've found Emanators and Aeons as his opponents.
To play devil’s advocate: Surtalogi can’t cross Imaginary Domains. And the HI3 world is also completely detached from Path system soooo
 
For the sake of the Heavenly Principles above, please put aside Genshin and other honkai games, and vice versa. They don't really that connected other than being in the same cosmology (imaginary tree)
 
Oh yeah.. This is also means that u want to connect Genshin Universe with HSR/HI3 Universe, which is theres so many contradictions.

Like u must accept that Istaroth = The Aeon of Finality Terminus, as she is literally Time itself and the avatar of Time. Heck, she even stated transcend the concept of Time itself.

And btw, Tholindis literally mentioned "terminus" in the latest quest. Does that mean she referring to the Aeon of Finality? No, because Terminus is just another word for Time related stuff.
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Is this not Zephyro using the Black Tides in Path Space


Bruh are the lore and the animation contradicting each other…

Oh yeah.. This is also means that u want to connect Genshin Universe with HSR/HI3 Universe, which is theres so many contradictions.

Like u must accept that Istaroth = The Aeon of Finality Terminus, as she is literally Time itself and the avatar of Time. Heck, she even stated transcend the concept of Time itself.

And btw, Tholindis literally mentioned "terminus" in the latest quest. Does that mean she referring to the Aeon of Finality? No, because Terminus is just another word for Time related stuff.
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Ts is an ass response to an ass post ngl
 
Oh yeah.. This is also means that u want to connect Genshin Universe with HSR/HI3 Universe, which is theres so many contradictions.

Like u must accept that Istaroth = The Aeon of Finality Terminus, as she is literally Time itself and the avatar of Time. Heck, she even stated transcend the concept of Time itself.

And btw, Tholindis literally mentioned "terminus" in the latest quest. Does that mean she referring to the Aeon of Finality? No, because Terminus is just another word for Time related stuff.
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If like that, Primordial one > aeons 😂
 
Do you agree with a possibly rating bare minimum
Ts not even possibly because most of them are just easter eggs and just logical matching. Even the blacktide he mention in the OP aren't even the blacktide that the game talk about, blacktide = abyss, that red cubes looking thing IS NOT the abyss.
 
Oh yeah.. This is also means that u want to connect Genshin Universe with HSR/HI3 Universe, which is theres so many contradictions.

Like u must accept that Istaroth = The Aeon of Finality Terminus, as she is literally Time itself and the avatar of Time. Heck, she even stated transcend the concept of Time itself.

And btw, Tholindis literally mentioned "terminus" in the latest quest. Does that mean she referring to the Aeon of Finality? No, because Terminus is just another word for Time related stuff.
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I thought Vietthai said Istaroth is only CM3 given it only governs 1 specific Leaf Worlds instead of like everything in there, I don't see why this forces you to affirm Istaroth = Finality
 
I thought Vietthai said Istaroth is only CM3 given it only governs 1 specific Leaf Worlds instead of like everything in there, I don't see why this forces you to affirm Istaroth = Finality
Nuh uh, she governs the genshin universe. As they said, you can have multiple universal laws.
 
To play devil’s advocate: Surtalogi can’t cross Imaginary Domains. And the HI3 world is also completely detached from Path system soooo
There's no single statement that states the Genshin universe exists as just a leaf.

What if the real Genshin universe is an imaginary tree, as HSR calls the universe itself? What if the abyss/void realm/dark universe is SoQ?

So, we can't assume anything like what's described in CRT. Since there's no Honkai terminology used in Genshin, it's difficult to prove its validity. CRT's final conclusion is really just an assumption.

Since there's no leaf as large as the universe, it's simply a term for the civilizations that exist on the imaginary tree.
 
And also, the Abyss is literally corrupted everything in thr universe to the point that the universe is dying, and we have Surtalogi who apparently so strong that he claimed himself to be the strongest being in the universe because he couldn't find any worthy opponents.

This doesn't work in HSR or HI3 as the universe is very alive and theres not a single mention of Surtalogi, and he would've found Emanators and Aeons as his opponents.
Or Surtalogi can't break through the barrier and the entire Teyvat was left in shambles after if you followed the HSR timeline, just put possibly on this one bro
 
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