• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Granblue Fantasy Discussion thread 3

We could scale certain characters to low 1-A, like the omnipotent's clone and Fenrir. or even wedges in their true form.
And honestly, Legion Void/Otherworld being BDE Type 2 should also mean they are low 1-A by default
If they can fully manifest without needing vessels
which honestly makes more sense if we really are pushing BDE Type 2 for them + NEP type 2

But this only happens in the main story when Legion void manifested fully. Unlike some scattered otherworlders

but at the same time they kinda made themselves physical so it kinda don't make sense

i guess no one really is low 1-A
cause even Zurvan is stated to be weak physically compared to his power
and people basically just negs his power to stop him
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
We could scale certain characters to low 1-A, like the omnipotent's clone and Fenrir. or even wedges in their true form.
And honestly, Legion Void/Otherworld being BDE Type 2 should also mean they are low 1-A by default
If they can fully manifest without needing vessels
which honestly makes more sense if we really are pushing BDE Type 2 for them + NEP type 2

But this only happens in the main story when Legion void manifested fully. Unlike some scattered otherworlders

but at the same time they kinda made themselves physical so it kinda don't make sense

i guess no one really is low 1-A
cause even Zurvan is stated to be weak physically compared to his power
and people basically just negs his power to stop him
Click to expand...
Legion void manifesting was not the true form iirc
It manifested by turning edan Island into a vessel

Captain who scales to Phoenix, omnipotent mainform would still get 1A scaling regardless and boundary powers would still be 1A still, since Phoenix is basically as strong as the omnipotent mainform
And boundary is enough to permanently delete idea of death and the fact boundary imprints exists inside them, so it's basically a drug
And it's being shown using boundary powers is physical rather than hax based, so I see no reason why boundary shouldn't be physical since omnipotent power > boundary


Astrals generally are weak, they only become stronger with their creation hax, the only strongest astral physically is bubz [ byleistr and some others] and that was because he was the singularity of the astral realm
And the fact astralia basically creates them with their cap - what they can do - what they can't do - how far they can do

Not even demurige consuming the flesh of the astral God could change that he was destined to fail and wouldn't be able to change anything

Even lucilius before getting Lucifer's and Lucio body was considered weak but the most intelligent

Bubz even before getting chaos body was considered the strongest of the astral race and made the supreme commander of the astral force
And byleistr believed their chances of success of forcefully pulling out the sky God true form was 50% but clueless since they have no means to interact with his space
 
Last edited:
Also
World creators/God's influence their world with their nature
Skyrealm is geared towards destruction and rebirth
Why astral realm is geared towards creation

And we basically know bahamut is basically all about physicality why astralia is all about abilities

Tho bahamut didn't create the skyrealm he's the destruction part why the rebirth is just as the omnipotent wants it
 
3Pencil said:
Legion void manifesting was not the true form iirc
It manifested by turning edan Island into a vessel
Click to expand...
Pretty sure even if it's not their true form, this form is completely tied to their entirety, so their death (as otherworldly dragon) basically undoes everything that relies on their existence to remain, like history manipulation, etc. But then again. Them, being physical, is the point, so they can sustain reality on their own without a vessel required.

something something Divine Being also needing an identity and form to make their powers concrete, but also start existing in reality as physical
3Pencil said:
Astrals generally are weak
Click to expand...
They aren't tho. It was stated multiple times that they are strong but unable to grow. And most of the sky-dwellers grew over time, yet consider Astrals to be still powerful, so people are told to be wary of them. They are just hax lords with being free to create anything
They were created to be powerful but unable to change unless through their creation. In similar cases to Vohu Manah, where initially they curbstomped them, but later on they struggle to actually win against them until they also gain evolution.

No issues with Legion void scaling atm

atm its
Legion void 7D
Otherworldly Dragon 8D
Fenrir 8D

This also means Lucilius and Beelzebub would also be 8D (Tower of babyl conclusion is soon to so this might change or beelzebub remains a jobber)
Versusia would be 8D as well in the same sense, and fighting her wasn't about defeating her but freeing her from Sky-God (but seeing they fought in Estalucia, Versusia would still be able to call forth the true strength of Sky-God)
While Sky-God's true form would be 1-A

Demiurge that defeated Gallanth could be 8D, and we assume the physical God is 8D
As for the Speaker's, do we agree at 8D as well for being in the same makeup as their God

Anything with physical form would be 8D, except certain entities like the Mainform Omnipotent and Phoenix. Abramelin would get 1-A AP but not durability.
We really have no idea how he defeated the Omnipotent because even he forgot about it. until we find his book in the new arc

vsbattles.com

(CONCLUDED)Granblue Fantasy Explanation Page CRT

bump
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Pretty sure even if it's not their true form, this form is completely tied to their entirety, so their death (as otherworldly dragon) basically undoes everything that relies on their existence to remain, like history manipulation, etc. But then again. Them, being physical, is the point, so they can sustain reality on their own without a vessel required.

something something Divine Being also needing an identity and form to make their powers concrete, but also start existing in reality as physical

They aren't tho. It was stated multiple times that they are strong but unable to grow. And most of the sky-dwellers grew over time, yet consider Astrals to be still powerful, so people are told to be wary of them. They are just hax lords with being free to create anything
They were created to be powerful but unable to change unless through their creation. In similar cases to Vohu Manah, where initially they curbstomped them, but later on they struggle to actually win against them until they also gain evolution.

No issues with Legion void scaling atm

atm its
Legion void 7D
Otherworldly Dragon 8D
Fenrir 8D

This also means Lucilius and Beelzebub would also be 8D (Tower of babyl conclusion is soon to so this might change or beelzebub remains a jobber)
Versusia would be 8D as well in the same sense, and fighting her wasn't about defeating her but freeing her from Sky-God (but seeing they fought in Estalucia, Versusia would still be able to call forth the true strength of Sky-God)
While Sky-God's true form would be 1-A

Demiurge that defeated Gallanth could be 8D, and we assume the physical God is 8D
As for the Speaker's, do we agree at 8D as well for being in the same makeup as their God

Anything with physical form would be 8D, except certain entities like the Mainform Omnipotent and Phoenix. Abramelin would get 1-A AP but not durability.
We really have no idea how he defeated the Omnipotent because even he forgot about it. until we find his book in the new arc

vsbattles.com

(CONCLUDED)Granblue Fantasy Explanation Page CRT

bump
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
Click to expand...
Finally
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Pretty sure even if it's not their true form, this form is completely tied to their entirety, so their death (as otherworldly dragon) basically undoes everything that relies on their existence to remain, like history manipulation, etc. But then again. Them, being physical, is the point, so they can sustain reality on their own without a vessel required.

They aren't tho. It was stated multiple times that they are strong but unable to grow. And most of the sky-dwellers grew over time, yet consider Astrals to be still powerful, so people are told to be wary of them. They are just hax lords with being free to create anything
They were created to be powerful but unable to change unless through their creation. In similar cases to Vohu Manah, where initially they curbstomped them, but later on they struggle to actually win against them until they also gain evolution.

No issues with Legion void scaling atm

atm its
Legion void 7D
Otherworldly Dragon 8D
Fenrir 8D

This also means Lucilius and Beelzebub would also be 8D (Tower of babyl conclusion is soon to so this might change or beelzebub remains a jobber)
Versusia would be 8D as well in the same sense, and fighting her wasn't about defeating her but freeing her from Sky-God (but seeing they fought in Estalucia, Versusia would still be able to call forth the true strength of Sky-God)
While Sky-God's true form would be 1-A

Demiurge that defeated Gallanth could be 8D, and we assume the physical God is 8D
As for the Speaker's, do we agree at 8D as well for being in the same makeup as their God

Anything with physical form would be 8D, except certain entities like the Mainform Omnipotent and Phoenix. Abramelin would get 1-A AP but not durability.
We really have no idea how he defeated the Omnipotent because even he forgot about it. until we find his book in the new arc

vsbattles.com

(CONCLUDED)Granblue Fantasy Explanation Page CRT

bump
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
Click to expand...
Same thing with Maxwell merging and becoming a collectively entity even when his vessel got destroy

I mean not in that type of weak but rather, they don't generally scale to their hax/creations so using zurvan was a bad example

Like this or just to distinguish them from the rest 8Ds it can give them a potential higher

Versusia 8D | 1A with powers in estalucia
Tho seeming as she would get a sperated profile it still works

8D for gallant and demurige since we basically know physical manifestations are still far stronger than legion void or other characters like lucilius and bubz.

Makes sense and I assume you mean Lucio and shalem since rei is in a way the strongest of all the shown speakers but weak physically, and we have astralia needing blue will to completely eradicate her existence and astralia compared her to herself as a god so 1A with nature and abilities
Tho could still work for shalem and Lucio but IDK

💯
ANYTHING needing physical manifestation would be capped to 8D, unless shown otherwise
 
Yeah, so we get 2 keys for Speakers then
Their True Form and Their Avatar
Although we already know their avatar already slaps

Guess we pretty much reach the final agreement

Anyway im gonna go hermit mode and create profiles in order

Otherworldly river / Llewig - 2-C (erased 2 branches at the same time)
Maxwell / Legion Void / Tree - 7D
Otherworldly Dragon and Cocoon - 8D (with 1-A hax as he actually will recreate the world the same way Rel did)
Versusia (We can probably use this as the Sky God's profile, but i will also include Rein's profile as unknown) - 8D, 1-A with Sky God's power | 1-A
Gallanth - 8D
Demiurge - 8D with a lot of hax, so I will put this guy on the last
Demiurge Antigelos - Probably just an Astral God and would scale to all Astrals and Primal beasts' powers, but only by borrowing them since the Core is still independent from him
Astral God - what was said above (I will make a separate tabber for all inherited abilities)
Blue Will - 1-A
Biyao Mingyao - 1-A
Taishang Laojun - This guy probably scales in 8D with 1-A via Divine technique
Argo Navis - Unknown, Low 1-A with wish-granting

Seofon and Orologia profiles should be good to go
 
this was long overdue but

vsbattles.fandom.com

Thoth (Granblue Fantasy)

Thoth is a primal beast who can control information. They have the power to reproduce and materialize information they collected through the possession of books and the like. Not much is known about Thoth in most media due to only appearing in an Escape room story of Granblue that is only...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

i finished the profile for
"I summon granblue in its entirety"
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
this was long overdue but

vsbattles.fandom.com

Thoth (Granblue Fantasy)

Thoth is a primal beast who can control information. They have the power to reproduce and materialize information they collected through the possession of books and the like. Not much is known about Thoth in most media due to only appearing in an Escape room story of Granblue that is only...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

i finished the profile for
"I summon granblue in its entirety"
Click to expand...
Lmao, a lot of people don't even know who this character is.
 
I happened to stumble upon this post

vsbattles.com

Magic the Gathering, a Wallet gathering game. (Part 1)

It's time to R-R-R-R-R-R-R-REVISIONNNNNNNNNN. It's been long enough. People have seen my livetweeting about my research and I've done enough to solidify for Part 1: The Planes. Strap in and strap on, we're about to get technical. This is more or less a copy-paste job of my MTG blog, so if you...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

This would actually mean

We can't really give Main form Omnipotent and Omnipotent Captain and Phoenix 1-A in their physical form. only on their power
at best

Low 1-A or 9D would be the 2nd option since Phoenix is stated to exist beyond concepts of magic and alchemy as a whole and beyond any levels of analyzation that they could do. I'm leaning more to low 1-A, since not even the providence of Death can do anything to Phoenix etc
which then makes the mainform omnipotent be at that level
 
Then L1A works
Since it can't really be 9D anyways
And iirc I mentioned this way back, was that even the mainform or just what they like to call it

Anyways it would now be 2 keys
First key would be omnipotent | divine being
Works better this way since we still have feat of the omnipotent creating 1A structure
Phoenix would be pure Phoenix | divine being or sun realm
Since we actually know the blue will created Phoenix which would mean it created the sun realm and Phoenix is the only sole inhabitant
Captain would be boundary | omnipotent | divine being

First and second keys would be low1A divine being key would be 1A
 
Last edited:
Both this won't scale the rest divine beings like wedges, Argo narvis to 1A only captain, omnipotent and Phoenix
 
yeah this won't scale to any other physical entities only to these few who are shown equal or comparable
this also means abramelin is l1-A

We can also pretty much also argue maybe clone is l1-A since there is no more antifeat and Demiurge did say The Omnipotent even as a clone shouldn't be surpassable via providence
yet Otherworld claimed it
 
BRING ME PHOENIX!!!!!!!!!!!

Yh
Makes sense for the clone if we are accepting providence as L1A
Omnipotent clone would now be otherworldy dragon | estalucia

The clone in estalucia should still grant him 1A but simply because he was the one sustaining estalucia before getting dragged down to reality
Which would scale fenrir to L1A as God slayer
 
Last edited:
I forgor this
Captain would be Boundary | omnipotent | divine being | blue will
They did use blue will in estalucia, that was why they were able to defeat astralia with blue will

Same with astralia Astral God | blue will
Astralia was using blue will before it chooses lyria over her

Bahamut sky God | ineffable
He did get evolved to the point he was just the same as the blue will
 
Last edited:
3Pencil said:
I forgor this
Captain would be Boundary | omnipotent | divine being | blue will
They did use blue will in estalucia, that was why they were able to defeat astralia with blue will

Same with astralia Astral God | blue will
Astralia was using blue will before it chooses lyria over her

Bahamut sky God | ineffable
He did get evolved to the point he was just the same as the blue will
Click to expand...
Correct

Although for Bahamut Sky God
We would include Versusia and his incarnation. Probably also Bahamut Versa

While also having a separate profile for Rein and Rein as Versusia
 
His durability also needs fixing you used complex multiverse for his second key instead of the same low1A and his speed should be MFTL+
And you should change "making it faster to Captain with boundary powers who should be superior to Lucilius and Bahamut who should be way faster than Europa"

To "Making it faster than Captain with boundary powers, who is superior to Lucilius and wedges, who are far faster than Europa."

Bahamut pretty much omnipresence except vessels
 
Versusia's profile is gonna be long since all of the powers of the skies that evolved are reflected on her

If you remember a really unique and notable abilities that people in the skies use, such as klesha's and such
(this includes people who decided to live in Sky-realm even if they are not originally from Sky-realm as changed caused by outside interference is still considered change and evolution of the skies (Alternate Wedge Wilnas mentioned this))

Try to list it so I can save time instead of combing the majority of stories again
 
I can't really think of any notable abilities except the ones from other characters profiles, but........
Plot manipulation from siwen
Guitarist from siete 😂
Probability manipulation from esser

Reactive evolution negation from fediel? But since wedges are just the root and not necessarily part of the world then....
 
so versus rising actually have this statement
NF6zW2Z.png


We could use this to argue that these can in fact influence time and space
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

TheGreatJedi13
  • Locked
Granblue Fantasy Wardant Abilities. Epic Clash CRT
2
Replies
58
Views
8K
TheGreatJedi13
TheGreatJedi13
TheGreatJedi13
  • Locked
Granblue Fantasy cosmology update (2-B or possible low 1-C)
4 5 6
Replies
208
Views
24K
Antvasima
Antvasima
TheGreatJedi13
  • Locked
Granblue Fantasy Captain CRT. one of many to fix this horrendously outdated profile
Replies
17
Views
3K
Elizhaa
Elizhaa
TheGreatJedi13
Granblue Fantasy Planet level removal and base tier changes
Replies
21
Views
2K
TheGreatJedi13
TheGreatJedi13
TheGreatJedi13
  • Locked
Granblue Fantasy Primal Beast and every magical beast CRT
Replies
30
Views
8K
Antvasima
Antvasima
Back
Top