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Granblue Fantasy Discussion thread 3
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Six dragons and Phoenix is on sight fade lmao
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NGL Phoenix actually battling them would always be funny
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Lel, yeah she always just visit earth when she need to do something or bored (mostly latter)
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Hmmmm
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Luminary Knights aren't jobbers.
Blue Knight specifically fought and was equal to Gallanth before Gallanth fought Sky-God's incarnation
so they definitely are not jobbers
though Phoenix vs 6 dragons and Seofon vs Walfrid
maybe we can use those for scaling
Orologia also got really angry at phoenix
Blue Knight specifically fought and was equal to Gallanth before Gallanth fought Sky-God's incarnation
so they definitely are not jobbers
though Phoenix vs 6 dragons and Seofon vs Walfrid
maybe we can use those for scaling
Orologia also got really angry at phoenix
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They might be stronger
Their strongest powerhouse, Baragona, has an "outlier" feat of blocking an Otherworldly Dragon's Beam
Their strongest powerhouse, Baragona, has an "outlier" feat of blocking an Otherworldly Dragon's Beam
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Orologia too????
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yeah. He barged in, and the whole scene about six dragons fighting a phoenix happened because of him. He kinda locked Phoenix down or something while also fixing the spatial rift Phoenix created
and it seems he can manifest his mortal form with full strength rather than weakly
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I am quite strong, stronger than you will ever hope to be
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Always knew logia had a hand in this and she just keeps getting more advantage.
And it seems her influence in skyrealm is stronger than the rest 6Ds probably because of her concepts since a sturdy orologia is bye bye skyrealm
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and age since they both mentioned how their mind being developed is important and how being sentient helps against otherworld, etc., etc.
Also can tap into boundary powers unlike Six Dragons who are strictly tied to Sky-realm and therefore cannot access it
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Mom/dadlogia buff
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We haven't really scaled Chaos energy to be in the idea of death. Chaos matter can be scaled physically, on the otherhand
Even Wardant was cut off from the sky-realm until something that could be guided by his balance reached the sky-realm
So, although they have l1-A, if they are cut off from reality, they cannot affect reality. In the same way, the divine realm, the divine beings are not bound by physicality, which in turn keeps randomly disappearing, not really being able to use their powers until they are given a concrete form that can utilize them properly (primal beast)
Although with the limit based on astral energy, and if someone can manipulate their astral energy, they can prevent them from using it against them
supposedly chaos should be able to oppose providence, but providence also can oppose it similarly
For all we known Chaos is basically potential power
Even Wardant was cut off from the sky-realm until something that could be guided by his balance reached the sky-realm
So, although they have l1-A, if they are cut off from reality, they cannot affect reality. In the same way, the divine realm, the divine beings are not bound by physicality, which in turn keeps randomly disappearing, not really being able to use their powers until they are given a concrete form that can utilize them properly (primal beast)
Although with the limit based on astral energy, and if someone can manipulate their astral energy, they can prevent them from using it against them
supposedly chaos should be able to oppose providence, but providence also can oppose it similarly
For all we known Chaos is basically potential power
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Well chaos matter is basically crystalized chaos like what bubz used in Lucifer
Chaos being able to erode providence should actually be solid when you think of it, since in the first place providence should be L1A bare minimum since it's basically concepts, laws etc
And GBF already introducing concept of dimensionality would mean it functions under providence
Unless providence was nerfed when used on the skyrealm which doesn't seem to be the case since we basically have orologia connecting to the boundary solely because of her being the wedge of time which in turns grants her omnipresence.
Chaos energy doesn't really to scale to ideal of death to get a L1A ratings, and you can still scale idea of death to 1A because of affecting boundary
Providence opposing chaos doesn't change that fact that chaos is the only thing that can erode providence and the damage would even be irreversible by the omnipotent.
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Granblue's strongest jobber
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Logic Manipulation
Logic Manipulation is the power to alter, overcome, or negate the fundamental principles of logic and rationality that govern existence and perception. This ability allows users to create scenarios that defy normal understanding, enabling contradictions or nonsensical reasoning to function...
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We can literally have this
Because we literally have the Wedge of Reason
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Biyao is more so very blatant but that guy is a special case
Maxwell does yeah
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Kinda funny when bubz did chaos legion and challenging Phoenix in the first place got his win rate down to -0%
Lol
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can't seem to find maxwell scan for logic hax
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That's just him saying his logic makes sense
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I will grant you destruction. Shiva vs Nanook. (Granblue Fantasy vs Honkai Star Rail)
Destruction through rebirth and purgation Destruction through annihilation only 1 victor Both in their Low 1-C Keys Speed Equal SBA Fight Takes place inside Zurvan's dimension Shiva : Nanook : ok :
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while working on my scaling CRT and new profile crt
It seems otherworldly dragon having a 1-A rating doesn't seem to make sense
out of all the 1-A characters we have
That is the only Character that we could reasonably scale with an anti-feat
Being affected by Seal Weapon Meltraunt
The attack is deflected by Scarlet Knight
We do get the confirmation from Demiurge that it being dragged down weakened it
furthermore. Journal notes also said that before he was completely dragged down. He spread all of his powers to Estalucia, which explains why Estalucia is still working in his absence
This means he purposely weakened himself before being abducted through the imprint.
Though if he still retains at least 1-A power and authority, those attacks shouldn't work on him still, because they are of a lower reality
which clearly isn't what happened
but on caveat. We do at least know Meltraunt works with machine cells, and we also know machine cells can even mimic or copy the Incarnation of the Sky-God
If we assume machine cells have the capacity for 1-A, that is yet another big issue
But if we instead argue that The Clone weakened itself to the point that it is no longer 1-A, it would make sense because it indeed can do that as per Rel's explanation
What do you guys think
No bueno otherworldly dragon?
This makes Boundary Captain still stronger than an otherworldly dragon. And yeah, we managed to get Fenrir godslayer thanks to reversing the boundary powers of Captains in the first place, so it makes sense. But this also means drawing power from the Omnipotent isn't instant 1-A, but rather it depends still on how much is provided
But Godly powers are still beyond the laws of nature by default, so the best it would be is low 1-A even on the physical level.
So that basically makes it so
Boundary powers are low 1-A
Orologia connecting to the boundary is low 1-A
1-A is reserved only for those in Estalucia and can manifest themselves completely like the Gods. Mainforms (not clones)
It seems otherworldly dragon having a 1-A rating doesn't seem to make sense
out of all the 1-A characters we have
That is the only Character that we could reasonably scale with an anti-feat
Being affected by Seal Weapon Meltraunt
The attack is deflected by Scarlet Knight
We do get the confirmation from Demiurge that it being dragged down weakened it
furthermore. Journal notes also said that before he was completely dragged down. He spread all of his powers to Estalucia, which explains why Estalucia is still working in his absence
This means he purposely weakened himself before being abducted through the imprint.
Though if he still retains at least 1-A power and authority, those attacks shouldn't work on him still, because they are of a lower reality
which clearly isn't what happened
but on caveat. We do at least know Meltraunt works with machine cells, and we also know machine cells can even mimic or copy the Incarnation of the Sky-God
If we assume machine cells have the capacity for 1-A, that is yet another big issue
But if we instead argue that The Clone weakened itself to the point that it is no longer 1-A, it would make sense because it indeed can do that as per Rel's explanation
What do you guys think
No bueno otherworldly dragon?
This makes Boundary Captain still stronger than an otherworldly dragon. And yeah, we managed to get Fenrir godslayer thanks to reversing the boundary powers of Captains in the first place, so it makes sense. But this also means drawing power from the Omnipotent isn't instant 1-A, but rather it depends still on how much is provided
But Godly powers are still beyond the laws of nature by default, so the best it would be is low 1-A even on the physical level.
So that basically makes it so
Boundary powers are low 1-A
Orologia connecting to the boundary is low 1-A
1-A is reserved only for those in Estalucia and can manifest themselves completely like the Gods. Mainforms (not clones)
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Largely in agreement L1A or 1A otherworldy dragon makes 0 sense it he should still stay at 1C with a possibly higher scaling
And even in estalucia I doubt the omnipotent had 1A powers except just sustaining estalucia as a clone of the omnipotent which rei did after his absence
Infact, the otherworlders affecting the clone is a big anti-feat for anything above 1C scaling, we literally saw sky and astral god and the wedges unaffected by anything that scales below them even why in their vessels/clones
Why?
I honestly still thinks drawing powers from the omnipotent/boundary should be 1A...........
Basically you can only get to 1A in estalucia or the divine realm since estalucia is influenced by souls rather than physicality which brings the topic of divine beings "main form"
I believe why God's can have mainform it shouldn't be applied to divine beings, instead it should be he true powers since they lack concept of individuality they manifest a clone and can only draws out their real powers in estalucia, going or manifesting in the physical realm reduces what they can use
Estalucia shouldn't change it
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Basically what biyao did
If the omnipotent clone did retain 1A powers you would either need to drag him down or affect with similar powers
Legion void did the former
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He was only able to do it because of the boundary imprint, which is a 2 way access
fair on this
So we agree 1-C for Otherworldly dragon clone. since it's not the main form + a clone, where we already got confirmation that the Vessels and physical versions are always weaker physically but still have hax.
We still have a mainform Omnipotent that was killed by Phoenix and abramelin but we did have confirmation Blue Will played a part in that, so it's not really an anti-feat, especially with who Phoenix is as well
If we go this path, that means Godslayer Fenrir would be 1-C as well. which kinda makes sense since The True form of God's core cannot be destroyed even while they were in Estalucia
So we can assume True form Astral and Sky-God is still 1-A
Boundary powers still 1-A (though we kinda have to address the fact that Mugen blue hair got held back by 10 eternals that isn't just siete with blue hair)
Biyao actually makes sense
Remember that guy basically gave Siwen the divine recipe/technique to create transcendental beings
Siwen kinda just failed to do it. Meaning he does have an idea on how to deal with them, but is simply powerless because he failed to complete them to be truly transcendental. (also Biyao mistake for basically granting him knowledge the same way Cthulu mythos grants 1-A knowledge etc)
i did talk with people in the server and they did say 1-A wisdom/knowledge can count
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Yes
And the fact blue will basically has a fate higher than the omnipotent thus can slay him or willed characters who is as strong as omnipotent; Phoenix
Yes
Well since they were kinda holding him back to not destroy stardust Town which they didn't succeed since rei stopped in and iirc siete did mention only if he went all out will he be able to put down mugen
Plus mugen wasn't actually going for the kill
Oh yh and let's not forget he still had willpower at play there
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I just realized
No one can actually scale to low 1-A
It is mostly hax level rather than AP potency
No one can actually scale to low 1-A
It is mostly hax level rather than AP potency
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