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Honkai Cosmology Rework
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Weaver261
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How 11 dimensional is Low 2-C? The statement of four infinite dimension is referring to Universe. What do you think about it
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4 infinite dimensions (Low 2-C) and 7 extra compactified dimensions, of course, that is if Voidnether want to argue IT > SoQ
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Which universe? The Imaginary Tree born and in conflict with the explicitly 11D SoQ?
Can we have someone js post the entire convo and lore behind that scan here already?
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I am quite sure "IT > SoQ" Are never been in the case, like they always have narrtive where as being equal and endless rivalry.
IT > SoQ is can be funny enough cause IT region sometimes can get outweight by SoQ influence
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it outweights real space not imaginary space vro…
edit: not even real space just one specific planet within real space thats literally nothing
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Doesn't matter vro
We are talking about "influence"
If IT was qualitative superiority to SoQ that IT add 1D compared to SoQ, how in the world IT could lose influence against lower dimension in it's own domain at first place?
If SoQ really lower dimension compared to IT, how SoQ isn't "extinc" Yet? Like ain't IT constantly absorb the sea to grow itself? Cause SoQ was should be trait as infinite small compared to IT if that was in the case
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but this disputes the notion that IT is dimensionally superior to SoQ.
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Yeah, throughout the entire HI3rd it was always the case
Weaver261
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Universe (yuzhou) here refers to Imaginary tree. When Ironmask talks about SoQ eleven dimensions, she compared that to Universe cosmology as example. That's why she said "For example, Universe we familiar with". SoQ dimensions are simply evelen dimensional and never stated as compacitifed
Weaver261
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That's the case before Alien Space manga. Alien space manga explicitly showcase R>F for extra dimensions in imaginary tree (universe). Idk if compacitifed dimensions can work like that.
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maybe if imaginary space got affected but scans literally say otherwise
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I dont think curled would work since they are finite, but since that applies only to bubbles you can still use it for theather of domination and ottos imaginary domain (probably) because he transcended reality to be part of imaginary space
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The context of the scan disproves this iirc.
Also this additionally disqualifies infinite-dimensional IT if you agree with it. And it also means SoQ is equal to or inferior to a compacted universe.
All of this is because of misinterpreted flowery language btw. I'm still baffled how the simplest of hyperboles are so hard to comprehend.
Also, can we talk about how IT and SoQ are literally inter-connected? Like leaves and bubbles are literally equivalent to each other. We also explicitly know leaves are 4-dimensional, so it doesn't even have the compact dimensions that SoQ gives them. And also... SoQ's influence is in a tug with the branches... so time itself? Which naturally includes all dimensions as well.
One last thing, if the Alien Dimension is in Imaginary Space (since it explicitly can't be in Real Space), then it means it's also bound by Welt's gravity, and consequently, the Singularity...? So Imaginary Space doesn't even transcend dimensions? Yet, is also bound by time?
Isn't this completely contradictory?
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Actually no. Since 4D only applied to leaves and not branches. So maybe the branches themselves have a higher spatial dimension. Not that it matters much in regards to anti-feats.
Weaver261
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How so? I don't recall any context like that
I don't agree with infinite dimensional IT yet. Imaginary tree dimensions have R>F which I think compacitifed dimensions shouldn't work.
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The other guy that provided the translations and raws iirc was saying that it was used in the context of a bubble world that had inherited dimensions.
It's literally been beaten to death why 5D is not a problem with this
Weaver261
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Well it's obviously wrong since Explanation of m theory cosmology is for Universe aka Imaginary tree.
Yeah but think about it. Universe has 7 extra dimensions as said by Ironmask in visual novel. Although they are explained as compacitifed dimensions by Ironmask before, Sugars (higher dimensional beings) explained it is R>F. I would trust higher dimensional beings word over some girl who got lost in soq
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So like literally regardless of the translation, we get a max of 5D.
If IT is compacted, we have 11D within a 5D bulk, which fits both M-Theory and Sugar Dimension as bulk. And then SoQ as =< to IT is still Low 1-C and it is also stated to have M-Theory so it contradicts nothing. This way, as parallel, we can have both IT and SoQ have the same dimensional theory with bubble worlds and leaves still being the explicitly 4D branes within a larger 5D bulk.
And obviously, if SoQ is compacted, then we have no dimensional statements for IT aside for +1D. So that's still only 5 valid dimensions.
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you should stop assuming that every higher dimensional realm in honkai must be inside imaginary space. First of all that space is literally created by alien key.
second of literally this scan exists. you literally used it to prove low 1-A in honkai and now you suddenly go against it
if dimension weapons are useless against imaginary singularity then gravity would also be useless against it and you know it that singularity exists within Imaginary Space so you just lied to viet right there.
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Real Space is explicitly 4-dimensional. Any higher dimension is also explicitly in Imaginary Space
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wonder why is first part with scan and other is pure assumption
and the scan doesnt even work great
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Alright, lemme ask a question: If only 4D space can be Real Space, what does that imply for 5D space?
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What do you mean by 11D within 5D Bulk? Imaginary Tree has multiple extra dimensions (plural) which should be at least 6D considering the lowest string dimensional theory. But we do have a statement that Universe (Imaginary Tree) has 7 extra dimension on top of 4D. 11D is for Sea Of Quanta. It has been stated multiple times that SoQ is 11D. It's not surprising that both SoQ and IT has 11 Dimensions cuz they are rival existance. That's exactly why only Durandal who fused with bubble world's extra dimensions can go to Imaginary Tree.
Again, SoQ 11D is never stated as compactified. Compactified dimensions are for Imaginary Tree but these dimensions are later proven to have R>F which shouldn't be possible for finite size curled extra dimensions afaik. (Tell me if they can work, I would probably need a staff explanation here just in case)
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its superior to 4D space, obviously. imaginary space is beyond dimensions welt statement literally proves that
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Oh my godddddddd, why can yall not understand the most basic inductionsssssssss 
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you aint gonna throw no fallacies if you cant back up your claim with scan, so either get that higher dimensional realms above real space are explicitly imaginary space or assume its beyond dimensional since even dimensional weapons (alien key that got negged by all dimensional affecting attack) dont do SHIT to it.Oh my godddddddd, why can yall not understand the most basic inductionsssssssss
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I disagree with this. Hoyo supporters need to learn when to back down istg
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That's the thing, it is bound by dimensions. The Singularity is just dimensionless, i.e 0-dimensional. And before you start misinterpreting my L1A logic, it was only "beyond-dimensional" because I applied a qualitative difference between the two spaces.
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Multiple forms of M-Theory contain both insignificant and significant dimensions simultaneously. So you can have R>F and still have insignificant dimensions.
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according to what?
i doubt this is the case when its literally said to transcend all dimensions, which in worst case would be BDE 1 which is this:
qualitative? wouldnt that make it 1-A tf you talking about
Weaver261
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Okay let's just say there're like two significant higher dimensions exist alongside compactified 7 dimensions in Imaginary tree for the sake of argument. These extra dimensions can be only reached if you fused with extra dimensions. For example, durandal can go there since she is fused with a bubble world from Sea Of Quanta which has extra dimensions. This shows Sea Of Quanta dimensions are significant dimensions which is 11D. That's why it's H1-C. Since the sea and the tree are in rivalry, The tree is also naturally 11D H1-C. Tell me if any of these part confuse you
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im ngl i still heavily disagree with this. the only world with 4 infinite dimensions and 7 finite compactified dimensions that was ever explained was the world "they were familiar with" nowhere does it ever state that the SoQ has the compactified dimensions the only time they ever talk about the sea is when they say its 11 dimensional. theres even a scan that says a choice of which 11 dimensions that are inherited are made a logical assumption would be that every bubble world required 11 dimensions but not all the 11 dimensions are infinite for every bubble world. this wouldnt affect the sea of quanta though since its just the bulk space that contains the bubbles and the aether anchors/ether anchor point.
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To clarify, true R>F is only for 1-A or higher. In context this is about an uncountable infinite gap in statistics.
For M-Theory you have 11 Spatial Dimensions that exists to explain strings in sub-atomic particle movement, which allows you to fully calculate things like gravity on the Quantum Scale without getting null values.
The issue with M-Theory dimensions is that they're not tierable on the wiki. They may twist in 11-Spatial Dimensions by they're only a single quark thick at that scale. For something to qualify for Tier 2/1 they have to be comparable to a universe in scale. The bulk brand of the physical 4-Dimensional universe is what is infinite in size.
Now M-Theory can work with any number of spatial dimensions, the minimum is just 11. Additionally string theory can work with physically infinite higher axis, but you have to show that those spaces are indeed of significant size. You can have a 9-D brane with 2 string dimensions and it still be valid under string theory, it would just be abnormal compared to its IRL usage.
Mbpoops
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also how can the sea be infinite 4d when its stated that it cant be described with 4 dimensions it should be 5d bare minimum
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These are honestly some of the most ignorant points ever that I feel it has to be ragebait at this point. It genuinely isn't worth responding for my own mental health. MGQ was right; ya'll need to learn when to back down man.
Btw you got any opinions on this thread?
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the scan isnt working :<
Weaver261
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Sorry if this sounds stupid. But can insignificant higher extra dimensions can do like this??
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