(ACCEPTED) Sliming all Honkai Scaling (GONE BRUTAL)

[StrymULTRA]

Regardless, for the sake of simplification, I recall that a simple statement of "n-dimensional universe" makes it qualify as actually a higher infinity due to baseline assumption being that the universe in question has equally long axes in all its directions (like saying that "3-dimensional universe hasn't significant axes despite being supposedly everything in a 3-d plane pretty silly). I do recall Ultima asking for evidence for the 12-D of Yan Sen being an universe to accept as such here and here, and we do treat "universes" as Tier 1 because they're called "N-dimensional" like with Rick and Morty.

Is there any evidence of Hoyoverse having direct statements of universes called "X-dimensional", or is it just a general explanation of what string theory is with 11-D being randomly dropped there?

 

[Robo432343]

Then that just defeat the whole High 1-C Brane Cosmology, because in order for High 1-C, you need Brane Cosmology, and Cosmology requires universe which must be a membrane or a dimensional slice embedded within large higher-dimensional space

I don't think thats true because Honkai used the term 'brane' like 12 times in the visual novel

"Branes" are formed in the "fluctuations" of the "Ether" the "Sea of Quanta" is composed of, and said "branes" may evolve into a "bubble world".
As we all know, a three-dimensional bubble has a spherical surface that is close to being two-dimensional.
When these "bubble worlds" are in the "Ether Bathtub", a choice of which of the eleven dimensions are inherited must be made.
For instance, in the "universe" we are familiar with, humans can recognize four dimensions and seven extra dimensions, each one being a constant "brane".
What Overseer Otto referred to as "Ether Anchor" is the special structure or method that allows those "branes" to turn into "bubble worlds".
When the "analogous distance" between two "branes" is small enough, they begin to influence each other—For example, by exchanging matter.
Speaking in general, it's easier for a substance to go from a "relatively small brane" to a "relatively big brane" but doing the opposite is quite difficult—
—As such, the "relatively small brane" is likely to be the one who performs changes to other bigger "branes".
And finally, the special "brane" called "projection" is born.
In this "projection", only analogous areas of the "branes" continue to exist—while everything else disappears completely.
For example, the "world" where the "Caledonia" exists right now is a "projection" made out of "branes" which had analogous properties between them.

 

[Mbpoops]

This is like the tenth time you've posted parts of the very blog I'm debunking lol

Well because your argument doesnt make much sense to me. You’re saying the SoQ’s 11 dimensions are too small to be quantified as actual dimensions when is never stated the SoQ is compactified only the bubble universes residing within it

 

[Mbpoops]

Regardless, for the sake of simplification, I recall that a simple statement of "n-dimensional universe" makes it qualify as actually a higher infinity due to baseline assumption being that the universe in question has equally long axes in all its directions (like saying that "3-dimensional universe hasn't significant axes despite being supposedly everything in a 3-d plane pretty silly). I do recall Ultima asking for evidence for the 12-D of Yan Sen being an universe to accept as such here and here, and we do treat "universes" as Tier 1 because they're called "N-dimensional" like with Rick and Morty.

Is there any evidence of Hoyoverse having direct statements of universes called "X-dimensional", or is it just a general explanation of what string theory is with 11-D being randomly dropped there?

Pretty sure the main universe was stated by einstein to be infinite 4D with 7D finite curving dimensions and the SoQ being 11 dimensional and not residing in any planet or universe if that helps at all

 

[SuperNova55555]

Pretty sure the main universe was stated by einstein to be infinite 4D with 7D finite curving dimensions and the SoQ being 11 dimensional and not residing in any planet or universe if that helps at all

This is literally what he wasn't asking for lel

 

[Mbpoops]

This is literally what he wasn't asking for lel

Mb all

 

[Weaver261]

Can we stop saying that SoQ 11 dimensions are curled and finite? It's stated nowhere. Ironmask explanation is referring to the Universe, not SoQ.

 

[Robo432343]

Is there any evidence of Hoyoverse having direct statements of universes called "X-dimensional", or is it just a general explanation of what string theory is with 11-D being randomly dropped there?

this maybe?

 

[SuperNova55555]

this maybe?

Ye this is 5D. I’ve been repping it since not only page 1, but the OP itself.

 

[Robo432343]

Ye this is 5D. I’ve been repping it since not only page 1, but the OP itself.

yeah but 5D doesn't work if honkai uses brane cosmology

 

[SuperNova55555]

yeah but 5D doesn't work if honkai uses brane cosmology

It can. That’s what Strym is talking about here; that the strings wrap around in a 5D bulk (SoQ)

This can also just be attributed to the Imaginary Tree instead of SoQ

 

[StrymULTRA]

It can. That’s what Strym is talking about here; that the strings wrap around in a 5D bulk (SoQ)

This can also just be attributed to the Imaginary Tree instead of SoQ

It depends, does the thing encompass also said realm including the strings (as in, we've got the 5D Bulk with 11D strings), as in the higher place being superior to all of that?

Because of that's the case, it being 1-B could be an easier argument to do.

 

[SuperNova55555]

It depends, does the thing encompass also said realm including the strings (as in, we've got the 5D Bulk with 11D strings), as in the higher place being superior to all of that?

Because of that's the case, it being 1-B could be an easier argument to do.

It was born from the place with the strings, grows from it and is in literal rivalry with it lol. They’re like separate realms

 

[SuperNova55555]

does this work

M-Theory is also a higher-dimensional concept. So is the 5D bulk

 

[Minophen]

It was born from the place with the strings, grows from it and is in literal rivalry with it lol. They’re like separate realms

Again, the worlds within the SoQ have the strings, not the SoQ itself

 

[Mbpoops]

Again, the worlds within the SoQ have the strings, not the SoQ itself

The ether anchor point is those strings if im not mistaken? Otto states this in the Durandal vn

 

[SuperNova55555]

Again, the worlds within the SoQ have the strings, not the SoQ itself

Are we still on this?? The worlds are implicitly formed by the membranes getting too close (or similar in your TL). They do this prior to bubbles

 

[Robo432343]

wait
if every single spatial dimension in the verse is 'compactified' like you are proposing then why is time and space meaningless in sea of quanta and why is there no time nor boundary in the sea
the more i think about it the more the proposal doesn't really make sense

 

[Minophen]

The ether anchor point is those strings if im not mistaken? Otto states this in the Durandal vn

Otto said the actual entity could be a natural structure or a man made machine, so it doesn't really sound like it

 

[Planck69]

wait
if every single spatial dimension in the verse is 'compactified' like you are proposing then why is time and space meaningless in sea of quanta and why is there no time nor boundary in the sea
the more i think about it the more the proposal doesn't really make sense

That's not what anything in the OP is proposing at all. I feel like you've been deliberate obtuse the whole thread.

 

[Robo432343]

That's not what anything in the OP is proposing at all. I feel like you've been deliberate obtuse the whole thread.

Which is to say: the spatial dimensions of the Sea of Quanta are compactified, or in other words, too small to qualify for tiering.

???
okay planck

Neither Low 1-C nor 11D works

 

[Minophen]

Are we still on this?? The worlds are implicitly formed by the membranes getting too close (or similar in your TL). They do this prior to bubbles

1st, Bubble are stablized membranes.

2nd, They don't get close phsyically. They affect each other when they become incredibly similar to each other

3rd, projections are formed by the interaction of stable membranes, aka bubble worlds.

 

[SuperNova55555]

That's not what anything in the OP is proposing at all. I feel like you've been deliberate obtuse the whole thread.

Not that the scans he showed matter much anyhow. Fiction can include exotic qualities to their realms/dimensions as long as those qualities don't get in the way of scaling. Higher-dimensional realms are usually portrayed in fiction to have special interactions with time

 

[SuperNova55555]

1st, Bubble are stablized membranes.

2nd, They don't get close phsyically. They affect each other when they become incredibly similar to each other

3rd, projections are formed by the interaction of stable membranes, aka bubble worlds.

This doesn't make sense. Are membranes both bubbles and the dimensions? What is the "projection" here?

I feel you might genuinely be misconstruing translations here.

 

[Mbpoops]

“Which is to say: the spatial dimensions of the Sea of Quanta are compactified, or in other words, too small to qualify for tiering.”

This doesnt make sense at all to me since its never implied that the SoQ dimensions are compactified only the bubble universes within it i havent seen a scan refering to the SoQ dimensions being compactified.

 

[SuperNova55555]

???
okay planck

Neither Low 1-C nor 11D works

“Which is to say: the spatial dimensions of the Sea of Quanta are compactified, or in other words, too small to qualify for tiering.”

This doesnt make sense at all to me since its never implied that the SoQ dimensions are compactified only the bubble universes within it i havent seen a scan refering to the SoQ dimensions being compactified.

The original claim is that the additional dimensions are compactified. Not all dimensions.

And what are you talking about with L1C? How does that scan you sent disprove anything?

 

[Minophen]

This doesn't make sense. Are membranes both bubbles and the dimensions? What is the "projection" here?

I feel you might genuinely be misconstruing translations here.

Bro what is your memory. Literally like thirty minutes ago I explained that "membranes" when mentioned in the 3rd chapter specifically aren't actual M-theory branes.

A world can inherit and dimensions from the Sea. This world with its laws and dimensions is a membrane. An ethor anchor can stabilize a membrane into a bubble world. When two stable membranes (bubble worlds) become incredibly similar, substance can be transfered between the two. The smaller typically transfers to the larger, causing the smaller to devolve. This makes it more likely to interact with other bubble worlds. The final result is a membrane called a projection. A projection is when only the spaces affected by a stable bubble remain, and everything else dissapears. The place where Durandal went is a projection.

is the full explanation.

try it now link

 

[Mbpoops]

The original claim is that the additional dimensions are compactified. Not all dimensions.

But werent the additional dimensions were only applied to the hi3 universe not the SoQ? I dont remember a scan of the SoQ having additional dimensions

 

[SuperNova55555]

here is the full explanation.

Since when is Imaginary Space the Sea of Quanta???

A world can inherit and dimensions from the Sea. This world with its laws and dimensions is a membrane. An ethor anchor can stabilize a membrane into a bubble world. When two stable membranes (bubble worlds) become incredibly similar, substance can be transfered between the two. The smaller typically transfers to the larger, causing the smaller to devolve. This makes it more likely to interact with other bubble worlds. The final result is a membrane called a projection. A projection is when only the spaces affected by a stable bubble remain, and everything else dissapears. The place where Durandal went is a projection.

I'm not sure if you're tryna upgrade the verse or wtvr but you should realize that this likely isn't even 5D if the "7 membranes" aren't even strings but parallel worlds (which are explicitly smaller than universes)

 

[Minophen]

Since when is Imaginary Space the Sea of Quanta???


I'm not sure if you're tryna upgrade the verse or wtvr but you should realize that this likely isn't even 5D if the "7 membranes" aren't even strings but parallel worlds

Wrong link, check again

They aren't parralel worlds. They are explicitly 11 dimensions.

 

[SuperNova55555]

They aren't parralel worlds. They are explicitly 11 dimensions.

No tierable dimension does what you're saying. This is genuinely 5D at best if we wank it containing multiple space-times

Wrong link, check again

The one you sent previously says that the projections of Imaginary Space are Bubble Worlds. Can you elaborate on that?

 

[Orioreeem]

Just give up, y'all. Bias + clear spite for the verse (which has been a thing for a long time) ain't letting the scale stay as is

Let's not do this here please.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I saw that comment bro

 

[Minophen]

No tierable dimension does what you're saying. This is genuinely 5D at best if we wank it containing multiple space-times

Okay, I feel we're not even on the same channel right now. The SoQ has 11 spacial/mathematical dimensions. It can pass on any number of those dimensions along with a set of laws to a world. That world is what the chapter refers to as a "membrane".

The one you sent previously says that the projections of Imaginary Space are Bubble Worlds. Can you elaborate on that?

First, it uses "世界球” while the SoQ scan uses “世界泡”。The two are distinct terms.

Second It says "imagine if the entire real 4D space-time continuum was a bubble world, everything outside would be the imaginary space"

 

[VoidGoji]

Let's not do this here please.

I mean, kinda hard when the guy admits to not knowing about the franchise and is using stuff from a banned user who themselves had a spite towards the verse.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Okay, I feel we're not even on the same channel right now. The SoQ has 11 spacial/mathematical dimensions. It can pass on any number of those dimensions along with a set of laws to a world. That world is what the chapter refers to as a "membrane".

First, it uses "世界球” while the SoQ scan uses “世界泡”。The two are distinct terms.

Second It says "imagine if the entire real 4D space-time continuum was a bubble world, everything outside would be the imaginary space"

This says that each of the dimensions are those same membranes you're talking about

 

[Minophen]

This says that each of the dimensions are those same membranes you're talking about

And this is why I said to wait for a translator. There is no official translation for the EN Durandal VN, aka this is a fan translation. The grammar is completely ******.

In CN, it says 举例来说，我们熟知的“那个宇宙”，就是一类“4个维度无限延伸，7个维度有限蜷缩，并且各种常熟均符合日常经验”的“膜”

就是一类“insert adjectives"的膜 should be rearranged to become "is a type of membrane which "insert adjectives""

Hell, copy it into google translate and see what it says

 

[SuperNova55555]

And this is why I said to wait for a translator. There is no official translation for the EN Durandal VN, aka this is a fan translation. The grammar is completely ******.

In CN, it says 举例来说，我们熟知的“那个宇宙”，就是一类“4个维度无限延伸，7个维度有限蜷缩，并且各种常熟均符合日常经验”的“膜”

就是一类“insert adjectives"的膜 should be rearranged to become "is a type of membrane which "insert variables""

Hell, copy it into google translate and see what it says

I got this:

For example, the “universe” we are familiar with is a type of ‘brane’ characterized by “four dimensions extending infinitely, seven dimensions finite and compactified, and all physical constants consistent with everyday experience.”

Which considering it's juxtaposed with the Bathtub explanation, probably means the inheritable dimensions are compactified innately, no? Would go hand-in-hand with other explanations (like the tangled weed one). So I'm assuming that's what "inheritence" means? How many compactified dimensions you take from SoQ? That's functionally the same thing I've been saying this whole thread regardless

 

[Orioreeem]

I mean, kinda hard when the guy admits to not knowing about the franchise and is using stuff from a banned user who themselves had a spite towards the verse.

Full knowledge of the verse is not required to make a crt and he is not using "stuff from a banned user" but scans that are in the verse itself.
If there are stuff that he doesn't know that can impact crt bring it here then

 

[Mbpoops]

I got this:

Which considering it's juxtaposed with the Bathtub explanation, probably means the inheritable dimensions are compactified innately, no? Would go hand-in-hand with other explanations (like the tangled weed one). So I'm assuming that's what "inheritence" means? How many compactified dimensions you take from SoQ? That's functionally the same thing I've been saying this whole thread regardless

So what youve been say is the SoQ’s dimensions are compactified because the dimensions the bubble universes inherit from the SoQ are compacted