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[EnderLord8]

I don't think I understand the question. Just for clarification, that version of Saitama scales to the cloud split from his serious punch (2.5 exatons) + CSRC. That's still High 6-A though.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that calculation... So is possible put Saitama to fight against Deku then, bro.

 

[57Dev]

Well, it's Boros's statement versus Saitama's statement in this aspect. Saitama never confirmed that Boros was right; he just remained silent...

It is pretty clear what the scene was implying. Boros was right, it wasn't a fight.

That's why Saitama is so serious and somber.

The reason Boros vs Saitama went on for so long is because Saitama understood his feelings and tried to make it look like a fight.

That's why when Boros says it wasn't close, he looks away. Because despite Boros being the strongest person he has fought at the time, it indeed wasn't close.

Take in comparison MA Saitama who wasn't there for a fight, infact he has pretty much given up on that dream and was dealing with monsters messing up his house.

And it's not like Orochi performed far worse than Boros. Both of their strongest attacks were destroyed by a serious series move.

And both of them took lethal damage for normal punch it's just that Boros can regen quickly .

 

[EnderLord8]

And it's not like Orochi performed far worse than Boros. Both of their strongest attacks were destroyed by a serious series move.

To be fair, punches are dozens of times more powerful than Squirt Guns, so the effort required for both is different. Furthermore, using what we have in the profile, the Saitama who fought Boros is around 3 Exatons, while the one who fought Orochi is 4-A, so naturally the level of effort is different.

Anyway, I realized that the version that fought Boros could fight Orochi and Shigaraki as well.

 

[Recon1511]

That depends. We have no idea what Murata was trying with Pyschorochi. So we can't really say that Boros is for sure stronger because this didn't exist in the Webcomic. Neither did 10 seconds Genos.

ONE*

 

[57Dev]

To be fair, punches are dozens of times more powerful than Squirt Guns, so the effort required for both is different.

Yes but Serious Squirt Gun only cancelled Gaia canon meaning it's a equa match.

Serious Punch tore through CSRC, killed Boros and parted the clouds over the entire planet

Orochi did get done dirty though. They hyped him up with "Oh look he can even copy martial arts and is a fighting genius, not just a big dumb monster"

Only to get turned into a hanging tumor that can't move and has like one note worthy attack that has nothing to with skill.

 

[EnderLord8]

Yes but Serious Squirt Gun only cancelled Gaia canon meaning it's a equa match.

Serious Punch tore through CSRC, killed Boros and parted the clouds over the entire planet

Dude, leaving aside the AP values we have from the calculations and just using realistic logic...

When I compared the difference between a punch and a squirt gun, I said it was about tens of times, but it's more like thousands of times difference, so it would basically be:

Serious Squirt Gun = Gaia Cannon

CRSC + Boros < Serious Punch

Serious Squirt Gun < Interval of Thousands of Times < Serious Punch

Comparing both narratively is meaningless.

 

[Worthless]

The reason Boros vs Saitama went on for so long is because Saitama understood his feelings and tried to make it look like a fight.

This is straight up headcanon. And the thing is, it’s not even Boros who said it was almost a real fight, but Saitama himself while he was on the moon. He’s the first of the two to survive multiple punches from Saitama and be called strong not just once but several times. His brain-dead body, with energy nowhere near his peak, is still so powerful that even current Genos cannot read it. That’s just how strong he is compared to everyone else besides Garou and Saitama.

 

[Worthless]

Yes but Serious Squirt Gun only cancelled Gaia canon meaning it's a equa match.

Serious Punch tore through CSRC, killed Boros and parted the clouds over the entire planet

Orochi did get done dirty though. They hyped him up with "Oh look he can even copy martial arts and is a fighting genius, not just a big dumb monster"

Only to get turned into a hanging tumor that can't move and has like one note worthy attack that has nothing to with skill.

He was never supposed to be a big deal. He’s just filler. The real deal in the MA arc is Garou. No one else is

 

[EnderLord8]

Saitama vs Lord Orochi, round 2 (The Hero for Fun vs the King of the Monsters)

Story: The destruction of City A draws the attention of King Orochi, who happened to be nearby. After witnessing the powerful light show of the attack, Orochi realizes that a formidable opponent is above the ship that devastated City A. He quickly jumps to confront Saitama, who had just defeated...

vsbattles.com

 

[Kachon123]

Yes but Serious Squirt Gun only cancelled Gaia canon meaning it's a equa match.

It overpowered and split apart the Gaia Cannon

 

[Recon1511]

 

[Engine]

It overpowered and split apart the Gaia Cannon

Then Orochi tanked the remaining force

 

[57Dev]

This is straight up headcanon.

L reading comprehension. The entire final tone of the fight is literally that even this wasn't enough to be a actual fight. That Saitama still remains unfulfilled. And yes was letting Boros go ham on him. He wasn't even reacting to Boros just seeing what he can do.

Also using the Webcomic narrative of Genos scaning Boros to have unreadable energy is just pointless.

There is no Orochi, Pyschorochi, 10 Seconds Genos, Evil Ocean Water, Sage Centipede or Cosmic Garou in the Webcomic. The S class is town level fodder and Garou was a joke to Saitama. A annoying pest who he told to **** off.

Boros is the top dog villain in the Webcomic because no one else noteworthy even exists.

Also energy being immeasurable doesn't really mean anything other than it reached the limit of his sensors.

 

[57Dev]

On the topic of Genos. He is completely unreliable.

• His energy sensors couldn't detect that Saitama was strong and he mistook him for a normal guy.
• His energy sensors couldn't tell him how strong the S Class was as he thinks Goketsu could take on All of S Class plus Saitama.
• A whole ass battle went over the ship with massive energy beams and shockwaves. Sensed nothing.
• Can't tell King is a fraud.

Yeah him saying Boros has unreadable level of energy is the same thing as a scouter exploding at power level of 10,000. The scouter is just shit and even Yamcha can explode it.

 

[Recon1511]

None of those examples actually point to his sensors being unreliable though, in fact we do use the Gouketsu scaling lol.

 

[Recon1511]

1) One-off mistake from his first appearance that was immediatly retracted when he saw Saitama kill Mosquito Girl
2) Nothing contradicts Gouketsu being stronger than the punch Saitama used to destroy the meteor, the S Classes that did fight (most didn't even participate during the arc) and Tatsumaki's casual output.
3) Clearly beyond his range
4) That's just King being King, by a billion other measures he should have been found out long ago.

In the webcomic the S class is town level fodder and Garou was a joke to Saitama. A annoying pest who he told to **** off.

Boros is the top dog villain in the Webcomic because no one else noteworthy even exists.

ONE stated that WC Boros vs WC Garou would be a "good fight" in which even he couldn't really say who would win and Saitama was genuinely excited that Garou could keep going after punching him and after Garou proved to be more than able to dodge and predict his moves he actually bothered to go serious.

Murata did also mention that ONE told him Garou and Boros are supposed to be "equally strong" way back at the beginning of the Hero Hunter arc during one of his streams

WC Boros is a top tier but he isn't unreachable by any means and in fact there is a strong argument to say that WC Garou beats the shit out of him lol

 

[57Dev]

That's bs excuse. Why can he sense Boros's entire energy output when he is literally brain dead vegetable but can't sense Tatsumaki or Darkshine. Yes Goketsu's scaling above the meteor punch is used here, that's not the ******* point. I am talking about how wrong he was about the S Class. Again the sensors don't mean shit.

One states a lot of things and changes his mind. For example Mob and Tatsumaki being a uncertain match. Saitama was literally humiliating Garou so badly he was going to cry. Also funny how you are using a Serious Series move as an example while also disregarding Serious Squirt Gun.

If we are going to use statements then

Tatsumaki then goes on to effortlessly overpower Pyskos x Orochi + God powers. Statements for OPM are unusable.

 

[RinneItachi]

That's bs excuse. Why can he sense Boros's entire energy output when he is literally brain dead vegetable but can't sense Tatsumaki or Darkshine. Yes Goketsu's scaling above the meteor punch is used here, that's not the ******* point. I am talking about how wrong he was about the S Class. Again the sensors don't mean shit.

One states a lot of things and changes his mind. For example Mob and Tatsumaki being a uncertain match. Saitama was literally humiliating Garou so badly he was going to cry. Also funny how you are using a Serious Series move as an example while also disregarding Serious Squirt Gun.

If we are going to use statements then

Tatsumaki then goes on to effortlessly overpower Pyskos x Orochi + God powers. Statements for OPM are unusable.

Not so much unusable as they are often outdated and get retconned. Murata said this years before Psykorochi existed in the manga. Still, we can use statements that have no valid reason to be considered contradicted (of which the amount is questionable). A lot of people apply ONE's old Garou Vs. Boros statement to the manga when it's honestly extremely questionable given the context of the manga being a different continuity and that statement being rather old (though my headcanon tells me it's still fairly accurate).

 

[Recon1511]

That's bs excuse. Why can he sense Boros's entire energy output when he is literally brain dead vegetable but can't sense Tatsumaki or Darkshine. Yes Goketsu's scaling above the meteor punch is used here, that's not the ******* point. I am talking about how wrong he was about the S Class. Again the sensors don't mean shit.

You aren't proving anything here, just arguing from disbelief.

One states a lot of things and changes his mind. For example Mob and Tatsumaki being a uncertain match.

This statement is pretty explicitly referring to their WC versions, ONE is talking here about Monsterized/Awakened Garou who only existed in the webcomic at the time.

The only way for ONE to retcon this in the webcomic is to make it official in the webcomic itself (or with another statement but he is radio silent nowadays lol) as the manga and webcomic are written as separate continuities.

If we are going to use statements then

Tatsumaki then goes on to effortlessly overpower Pyskos x Orochi + God powers. Statements for OPM are unusable.

Divorcing statements from their context is intellectually dishonest. This one in particular was said in a 2018 stream as Murata was speculating and receiving the script and storyboards for the beginning of the MA arc, it's not relevant because we know the story was ultimately changed to make Orochi far stronger and ONE adding Psykorochi to justify Tatsumaki being weakened in the surface fight.

Some statements containing contradictory or outdated information doesn't mean all of them are unusable, we just discard those that are wrong simple as that.

 

[Recon1511]

Not so much unusable as they are often outdated and get retconned. Murata said this years before Psykorochi existed in the manga. Still, we can use statements that have no valid reason to be considered contradicted (of which the amount is questionable). A lot of people apply ONE's old Garou Vs. Boros statement to the manga when it's honestly extremely questionable given the context of the manga being a different continuity and that statement being rather old (though my headcanon tells me it's still fairly accurate).

It's only applicable to WC Garou vs WC Boros really, ONE is pretty explicitly talking about Awakened/Monsterized Garou here and this statement is from like 2014-2015 or even before.

 

[RinneItachi]

It's only applicable to WC Garou vs WC Boros really, ONE is pretty explicitly talking about Awakened/Monsterized Garou here and this statement is from like 2014-2015 or even before.

A lot of people still apply it to the manga for no reason, even though 99% of ONE's statements refer to his version of the story that he drew, not the manga written by him and drawn by Murata. Like saying Golden Sperm Vs. Tatsumaki would be a pretty mid-diff fight for her, leaning towards high-diff, that can still be true in the webcomic, but in the manga it's pretty explicitly clear that she'd no-diff him. Or him comparing her to serious Mob (though that's a whole other bag of worms because it's cross-verse still).

My headcanon though is that Garou Vs. Boros would still be similar to how ONE put it originally even in the manga. Even though the realistic scaling is that Garou would whallop Boros' ass handily. Referring to Gargoyle Garou ofc.

 

[Tural2004]

On the topic of Genos. He is completely unreliable.

• His energy sensors couldn't detect that Saitama was strong and he mistook him for a normal guy.
• His energy sensors couldn't tell him how strong the S Class was as he thinks Goketsu could take on All of S Class plus Saitama.
• A whole ass battle went over the ship with massive energy beams and shockwaves. Sensed nothing.
• Can't tell King is a fraud.

Yeah him saying Boros has unreadable level of energy is the same thing as a scouter exploding at power level of 10,000. The scouter is just shit and even Yamcha can explode it.

1) Based on his reaction to DSK vs Puri Puri, someone needs to be actively exerting energy for Genos to be able to detect it.
2) That was mostly due to safety measures. The very next day, without even meeting Saitama once, Genos reaffirms that no monster can stand against Saitama.
3) That's just a plot hole for sake of convenience but you could make up any number of excuses for this one.
4) Seriously?

 

[Recon1511]

A lot of people still apply it to the manga for no reason, even though 99% of ONE's statements refer to his version of the story that he drew, not the manga written by him and drawn by Murata. Like saying Golden Sperm Vs. Tatsumaki would be a pretty mid-diff fight for her, leaning towards high-diff, that can still be true in the webcomic, but in the manga it's pretty explicitly clear that she'd no-diff him. Or him comparing her to serious Mob (though that's a whole other bag of worms because it's cross-verse still).

2025 and people can't manage to separate two entirely different continuities with characters having completely different arcs and personalities

The Tatsumaki example is perfect, her WC self is just weaker and that's that. On the topic of Mob, I'd have to check the statement again but one can also say it only applies to WC Tatsumaki anyway, but it does get messy since it's a cross verse.

My headcanon though is that Garou Vs. Boros would still be similar to how ONE put it originally even in the manga. Even though the realistic scaling is that Garou would whallop Boros' ass handily. Referring to Gargoyle Garou ofc.

My headcanon is the same, equal fight but Garou would handily win in the end due to the skill difference and his adaptation. Hell he could get to be the "absolute evil" and save Earth from Boros CSRC by deflecting it with the Water Stream.

 

[RinneItachi]

On the topic of Mob, I'd have to check the statement again but one can also say it only applies to WC Tatsumaki anyway, but it does get messy since it's a cross verse.

I personally have the headcanon that if they fought, she'd force him to tap into ???% but he'd high-diff her afterwards. His wording is vague because he just says that if Mob gets "serious" he can win, but it's not clear if by serious he means 100% of ???%. Either way yes it probably does just apply to WC Tatsumaki still. Technically you can upscale the webcomic with that, but I don't agree with that sort of scaling due to the number of variables that need to be considered to even cross the first hurdle of scaling characters from two different verses. It's basically the same thing as powerscaling debates except we have a more clear comparison between them.

 

[Redcated]

Ah yes, a suicidal homeless man will be able to buy some groceries

 

[Worthless]

L reading comprehension. The entire final tone of the fight is literally that even this wasn't enough to be a actual fight. That Saitama still remains unfulfilled. And yes was letting Boros go ham on him. He wasn't even reacting to Boros just seeing what he can do.

I refuse to believe you genuinely believe that

Also using the Webcomic narrative of Genos scaning Boros to have unreadable energy is just pointless.

There is no Orochi, Pyschorochi, 10 Seconds Genos, Evil Ocean Water, Sage Centipede or Cosmic Garou in the Webcomic. The S class is town level fodder and Garou was a joke to Saitama. A annoying pest who he told to **** off.

Then you talk about me lacking reading comprehension. LOL. It doesn't matter if they don't exist in the webcomic, that scene is bound to happen in the manga.

Also energy being immeasurable doesn't really mean anything other than it reached the limit of his sensors.

That's the thing, it's beyond his sensors, something that can only happen if the opponent is significantly superior to him

 

[RinneItachi]

Ah yes, a suicidal homeless man will be able to buy some groceries

I never imagined God having a bright green aura like Tatsumaki. Does anyone else think ts looks weird? I know his colored appearance in the manga had a slight green tone to his morphed skin, but this is just odd.

 

[Ourosboros]

I see that you needed to clean your eyes

 

[57Dev]

I refuse to believe you genuinely believe that

It's called reading. Try it once. They just played the emotional theme for ***** and giggles I guess.

Then you talk about me lacking reading comprehension. LOL. It doesn't matter if they don't exist in the webcomic, that scene is bound to happen in the manga.

Which would be wank since this version of Genos's knows about the alt timeline and has seen Cosmic Garou .

That's the thing, it's beyond his sensors, something that can only happen if the opponent is significantly superior to him

Both Orochi and Boros are significantly beyond him.

 

[57Dev]

Using the Webcomic statement of Boros to wank him beyond characters that don't even exist in Webcomic is stupid.

It hasn't even happened anyway. Maybe they take into consideration and change that part to just being Very high energy reading.

And it's not like Genos has had any statements on the reading of Orochi.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Using the Webcomic statement of Boros to wank him beyond characters that don't even exist in Webcomic is stupid.

It hasn't even happened anyway. Maybe they take into consideration and change that part to just being Very high energy reading.

And it's not like Genos has had any statements on the reading of Orochi.

Not Orochi, but Psykorochi has an energy reading statement kinda similar.

 

[MrTayman616]

Can someone tell me what we accept here please?

In the first image, the rocks apparently went thousands of kilometers above, while in the second image, they're apparently(?) orbit IO. They came back? Or the second image is just rocks floating and not really IO as it's destroyed?

 

[57Dev]

Not Orochi, but Psykorochi has an energy reading statement kinda similar.

Thanks for that. Well here it is, even if Boros has that statment in the manga now, he is not the only one with so.

Also intresting thing here. The energy levels are abnormal not impossible to measure.

And the statment about Impossible to estimate disaster level really makes no sense.

Disaster levels have been messy ever since Boros. It was very clearly defined that God is anything that can wipe out humanity. Boros, Garou and Pyschorochi all by definition should be disaster Level God.

But the story kinda breaks that part by just making them "Dragon or Higher" because God is specially saved for God.

 

[Epiccheev]

They should make plant man fight zombieman

 

[57Dev]

Episode 11. Some good cuts of animation here and there like Atomic cutting Black S, Puri Puri angle vibration style and Puri Puri chasing Nyan.

But holy shit the sfx work is soo bad. Like the worst I have heard which is jarring when the VA work is so solid.

This has been the case for last 3 epsiode. The sound effects are worse than the animation.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Genos’s sensors pick up energy not aura. The energy has to be tangible.

 

[YUGOLEDIABOLIQUE]

wtf, they removed Waganma's development, as well as CE trusting the others heroes...the hell is wrong with them

 

[darkphantom9805]

They are about to cook with these final episodes

 

[Tural2004]

I was actually excited for once when I learned that "God" was in the episode. Imagine my dissappointment when it was Homeless Emporer going over his lines.

 

[Raiden38]

Ep 11 new meme Zombieman also known as the bogeyman