STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[RinneItachi]

Saying Flashy Flash is more durable than the hero known for highest defence is stupid beyond belief. Yes he has better feats but Darkshine again lost confidence and opted out of the fight.

Idk what the discussion is about in its entirety but regarding this, it's not logical for Flashy Flash to be nearly as strong or durable as Darkshine, but our personal interpretation of the narrative doesn't outweigh actual feats that take place in the story. I think that if they actually fought, it would be a mid-diff win for Flashy Flash who wouldn't be able to do much physical damage to Darkshine by simply attacking him but could win comfortably by targeting vital areas and of course speed blitzing him, and could tank Darkshine's attacks but not like they're nothing.

But the actual scaling we've objectively seen in the manga suggests Flashy Flash would no-diff Darkshine by blitzing and one-shotting him, and has higher durability than him as well. Unless ONE goes and says that it was a mistake, it's just canon and currently is the correct scaling.

 

[57Dev]

Yes but that's not because Darkshine objectively has a cap where he lost to someone much weaker.

Darkshine didn't take any real damage from Garou that would count as a loss. He is just a such a ***** that he gave up. Same goes for Golden S. He straight up goes into depression after looking at his muscles. We actually have no idea how that fight would go if we take away his mental nerf.

I am not saying right now he can just tank EOW with definitive proof. What I am saying is

1. We have no idea where his durability actually caps. That's a fact. Both times he was harmed it was via durability neg.

2. If the manga follows the Webcomic route which it will then Darkshine will automatically scale much higher. While in Webcomic it doesn't mean much, for the manga it's a lot.

And arguing against Darkshine being portrayed as one of the strongest S class is just stupid. The story has been building his power status. There is reason One didn't use Puri Puri or Tank Top but specifically 1/3rd Darkshine as a measurement to show Bofoi's strength. It's narratively building him up.

 

[MrTayman616]

Saying Flashy Flash is more durable than the hero known for highest defence is stupid beyond belief. Yes he has better feats but Darkshine again lost confidence and opted out of the fight.

Lost confidence =/= low durability.

Him losing his willingness to fight and getting scared doesn't mean you can knock him out with one punch.

He didn't choose to sleep or actually got knocked out out of fear.

Yeah and because he was scared he froze up and didn't fight back. But his mentality does infact effect his fighting perfomance

Yes, his fighting performance.

Also Bofoi keeps an eye on everything that's going on. He was literally watching Genos rip Super Brave Giant. He is very much aware of Genos's power. Atleast he knows Genos can kill multiple Dragon Levels with ease and destroy a Robot made to combat monster association level threats which includes 10 seconds mode Genos. Final Genos is the strongest Genos.

There is no scaling chain for 10 sec mode. And probably there won't be any.

He has no reason to include 10 sec mode based on the same claim of yours as since he watches everything, he would know he currently doesn't have it.

All we know is that it'd scale to to Super Brave Giant at best, but even the, it was already nearly defeated and Metal Knight already stated it was flawed, as it dents easily and unbalanced etc

Also wrong. It does affect his strength. You can clearly see here he is physically being overpowered by Raiden https://share.google/8TDAhUYMGe4KZOE05

Sure he lacks a will to fight but that's the exact reason he is getting overpowered.

He's not responding because of lacking confidence. Not that he got physically weak or anything.

 

[57Dev]

Also there is a inconsistency in his and Garou's profile.

Garou is rated higher in strength for hurting Darkshine which ignores the durability negation. He should have his "can ignore durability" section for his half monster key.

And Garou hurting Darkshine shouldn't be in his durability section as it was achieved via durability negation

 

[57Dev]

He's not responding because of lacking confidence. Not that he got physically weak or anything.

Yes and this applies to Golden Sperm knocking him out too. Or atleast him not getting back to fight against him.

It's not like Golden Sperm did any damage. He didn't leave a mark or make him bleed or break a bone.

 

[57Dev]

He would also know that the strongest transformation of Genos should atleast be on the level of 10 seconds mode.

Wouldn't be the strongest version if it wasn't.

He can still wipe out multiple Dragon level threats. Plus his own cyborgziation should atleast be near or better than the rest of his tech.

And I just need to wait. It is very clear what One's plans are for Darkshine as a character now. So it's just a matter of time where I won't even have to chain scale.

 

[Recon1511]

This if we ignore that you were completely wrong about Bofoi thinking he could kill Genos lol

 

[RinneItachi]

Yes but that's not because Darkshine objectively has a cap where he lost to someone much weaker.

Sure, but that's not relevant to powerscaling.

Darkshine didn't take any real damage from Garou that would count as a loss. He is just a such a ***** that he gave up. Same goes for Golden S. He straight up goes into depression after looking at his muscles. We actually have no idea how that fight would go if we take away his mental nerf.

Again, powerscaling doesn't care. We assume that's around where his upper limit is because we have no evidence to suggest otherwise. It's also an even bigger stretch to say that him being confident makes up for not only a one-shot tier gap, but enough to match Platinum Sperm who scales an unknowable amount above Golden Sperm but presumably to a rather large extent.

I am not saying right now he can just tank EOW with definitive proof. What I am saying is

EOW? I didn't know the discussion was originally about that but uh I'm pretty sure he'd die if he got hit by a EOW jet stream head-on, idk though lol.

1. We have no idea where his durability actually caps. That's a fact. Both times he was harmed it was via durability neg.

He got knocked out by Golden Sperm which dented his cheek, that's not being harmed? Otherwise I mean yeah, we haven't seen the upper limit of his durability to be scaled.

2. If the manga follows the Webcomic route which it will then Darkshine will automatically scale much higher. While in Webcomic it doesn't mean much, for the manga it's a lot.

Probably.

And arguing against Darkshine being portrayed as one of the strongest S class is just stupid. The story has been building his power status. There is reason One didn't use Puri Puri or Tank Top but specifically 1/3rd Darkshine as a measurement to show Bofoi's strength. It's narratively building him up.

I agree.

 

[RinneItachi]

Oh god I just imagined.

So if they decided to use pre-redraw Phoenix Man for the fight, imagine if they actually cop-out of CF Garou by doing the table scene and just improving whatever would happen afterward? Oh goodness. I mean. The anime is NOT making it to that point we're talking like season 5 or 6 but that would be hilarious.

 

[57Dev]

I always wondered what would the dialogue between Saitama and Garou would be like in that version.

 

[57Dev]

This if we ignore that you were completely wrong about Bofoi thinking he could kill Genos lol

Yeah that's my bad. I thought Bofoi was saying that to Genos not Child Emperor.

 

[MrTayman616]

Yes and this applies to Golden Sperm knocking him out too. Or atleast him not getting back to fight against him.

It's not like Golden Sperm did any damage. He didn't leave a mark or make him bleed or break a bone.

The claim is basically he got knocked out out of fear and lack of confidence?

His face stayed like that for many chapter.

He would also know that the strongest transformation of Genos should atleast be on the level of 10 seconds mode.

Wouldn't be the strongest version if it wasn't.

He can still wipe out multiple Dragon level threats. Plus his own cyborgziation should atleast be near or better than the rest of his tech.

And I just need to wait. It is very clear what One's plans are for Darkshine as a character now. So it's just a matter of time where I won't even have to chain scale.

He would also know 10 sec mode doesn't exist rn and that current Genos doesn't actually scale to it.

10 sec mode isn't a version, a limited usage which is not reliable to include.

The last one is an assumption.

I won't say that it's impossible for Darkshine to be revealed in a higher level, but based on the current statements, he probably wouldn't scale.

 

[57Dev]

So now that I have a fully rigged model of Blue Dragon Genos I was thinking of making a fight scene. Not any time soon but next year.

The introduction scene will be done before Christmas so I will post it on Christmas. I am going slow because of other stuff.

Tatsumaki's base lift atleast doesn't require me to remodel her like Genos but making the simulation of a entire city and then making it look 2D will be a challenge. I think Blender should be able to do it now with 5.0 update.

For Genos fight I was thinking Elder Centipede, Sage Centipede or Rover.

What seems like the most fun fight ?

 

[Ourosboros]

Do y'all think Evil Ocean Water could pierce Darkshine's skin?

No

(I believe in him)

Oh god I just imagined.

So if they decided to use pre-redraw Phoenix Man for the fight, imagine if they actually cop-out of CF Garou by doing the table scene and just improving whatever would happen afterward? Oh goodness. I mean. The anime is NOT making it to that point we're talking like season 5 or 6 but that would be hilarious.

The reaction of all 5 people still watching s5 (this change finally exhausted their copium supplies)

I will say it is nice that the anime used the pre-retcon fight assuming it was decently animated. It will lead to some continuity errors but I recall most people hated the Phoenix-Space redraws when those came out and preferred the far more punchy original

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Wait, I must've missed something. When did everyone become High 6-C/Large Island Level?

 

[Raiden38]

Darkshine being confident doesn't make him stronger or more durable. Just willing to fight.

Raiden example doesn't make sense as it's understandable from both his reaction and statements that Darkshine is just scared rather than "Raiden appearing stronger".

Knocking back Genos wouldn't even make him scale to Genos.

Is Metal Knight even aware of Genos's current battle power? It hasn't even been a day since he got it after all.

Also, even current manga Genos isn't superior to Darkshine in terms of physical ability.

Metal Knight has no reason to include 10 seconds mode.

Anyway, Darkshine will most likely never compare to Evil Ocean Water in the series

Darkshine from the webcomic probably doesn't reach Evil Ocean water but the manga one definitely can in future in my opinion

 

[Ralp0054]

 

[Ourosboros]

This is actually just Saitama showing off his dimensional travel ability again. He has the power to move between frames and manga panels, allowing him to enter spaces like Fubuki's pocket dimension as shown here.

Also Fubuki can create pocket dimensions as you can see

 

[57Dev]

This is actually just Saitama showing off his dimensional travel ability again. He has the power to move between frames and manga panels, allowing him to enter spaces like Fubuki's pocket dimension as shown here.

Also Fubuki can create pocket dimensions as you can see

Damn Fubuki has a whole ass domain expansion. With this she can finally surpass Amai Mask.

 

[Recon1511]

 

[RinneItachi]

That sounds peak.

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

I have a feeling we will get a legit universal feat, either via destruction or some type of creation, a Goku/Beerus situation, or maybe even a Shiki situation that gives us the exact amount of Joules etc^^

But to be honest, I hope it doesnt turn out into another "yeah me could do this and that" scenario without us knowing the timeframe etc. & their legit feats in comparison are infinitely worse XD

Im sooo sick of that stuff

 

[DbzDB2]

That sounds peak.

One Shotter is so buns wdym peak

 

[Redcated]

Imagine if ONE subverted GOD so that instead of being a parody of a shonen final boss, who is usually incredibly overpowered, he turned out to be just a punching merchant with little to no abilities.

 

[DbzDB2]

Imagine if ONE subverted GOD so that instead of being a parody of a shonen final boss, who is usually incredibly overpowered, he turned out to be just a punching merchant with little to no abilities.

So you mean you want him to still be powerful but no reality warping abilities or anything like that and instead he just hits really hard? So Saitama 2.0? Or did you mean you want him to be super weak as a "plot twist", but we already saw that with King and other shonen characters like Mr. Satan. It's still pretty unoriginal. I feel like I'm one of the few OPM fans that want a serious real fight in the end and not another gag.

And we already saw God do overpowered things like taking away Homeless Emperor's powers and reducing him to ash, or making Garou strong enough to hold his own against Saitama even with just a fraction of the power he was trying to give to him.

 

[Redcated]

So you mean you want him to still be powerful but no reality warping abilities or anything like that and instead he just hits really hard? So Saitama 2.0?

Basically yeah

 

[Recon1511]

One Shotter is so buns wdym peak

Quite amazing how every single one of your takes is bad

 

[Ourosboros]

Basically yeah

It's not really an option for God, his introduction in the webcomic was magically appearing in front of someone and granting them magical sun/mini-nuke powers.

That is the first we see him do in both the webcomic and manga, him being a punchy-puncher goes against that and literally everything else he's done...
A) Second appearance - stops time to grant magical powers to Psykos-Orochi
B) Implied appearances - appears in visions of the future to Psykos, Shibabawa, the alien Seer that sent Boros (?)
C) Third appearance - slows time appearing before Saitama and Flashy in a pocket dimension
D) Fourth Appearance - illusion on the moon before Homeless, traps him in a mental realm, steals his soul (?)
E) Fifth and sixth Appearance - illusion as blast/bang, tries to transfer powers, storm creation

Even if he does nothing else in the series he's already a massive haxlord, which was implied from the very beginning. Yes it would be a subversion of expectations if he just punched but... that would require lots of explanation and I think it's not worth the effort for a joke

 

[57Dev]

What if we go the other way. He is like a completely haxed out guy but Satiama just defeats him with pure power.

This is kinda what happened in Mashle too.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I can see something like Saitama mastering God's power and use it in some way across the fight, given the hint Garou gave at the end of the fight of Saitama being the only one who can master God's powers without touching God's hand.

Though tbh I really hope Saitama sticks at being a guy who just punches really strong. Having hax doesn't fit him.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

I think the anime is on the timeline where Empty Void is a major villain

 

[Redcated]

Why does God have higher expectations of being a higher-dimensional creature than Shibai? Is it because of the design?

 

[MrTayman616]

Why does God have higher expectations of being a higher-dimensional creature than Shibai? Is it because of the design?

In the retcon, God's power allows you to transcend to higher dimension that is outside the universe's causality, and interact with the universe ignoring distance, energy and size.

It also contained countable-uncountable infinite universes, which makes the dimension 4D-5D. God's heavily implied to be superior.

 

[Redcated]

In the retcon, God's power allows you to transcend to higher dimension that is outside the universe's causality, and interact with the universe ignoring distance, energy and size.

It also contained countable-uncountable infinite universes, which makes the dimension 4D-5D. God's heavily implied to be superior.

No, I mean before he actually gets revealed to be one.

 

[Epiccheev]

Having hax doesn't fit him.

The only hax i can see fitting Saitama is powernull through punching. Like, enemy shoots large EE beam at him. He punches and it disperses.
Enemy has spatial barriers/invulnerability/godly regen. He punches and it goes through like butter.

 

[Recon1511]

 

[Epiccheev]

Pov: you're the last candied apple in the stall

 

[Epiccheev]

Kinda sad Coomandar and Ziller are not around anymore to fanboy over every Tatsumaki/Boros related topic in the thread.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Kinda sad Coomandar and Ziller are not around anymore to fanboy over every Tatsumaki/Boros related topic in the thread.

It's nice they're gone in a way, but they were responsible for half of the posts in this thread, so it is kind of sad.

(Granted, I think Ziller is still around, but not very active).

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I think the anime is on the timeline where Empty Void is a major villain

Hopefully

I was reading again all three versions of the Ninja Arc and ngl, while in terms of story I do like the canon version (Specially Flash's backstory and the Divine Beasts), the fights were all better in the retconned versions, Flash Vs Sonic was better, Flash vs Void was better, Blast Vs Void was better

This is absolute peak

This is absolute peak

This is absolute peak