Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

[Migue79]

I know.

The blog din't tho, and I assume is because... Yeah, Arcueid don't need that scaling to win anyway.

Hi! One of the peeps that worked on the blog here.

We didn’t include it simply because we didn’t really want to delve into DT (dimensional tiering) arguments and bloat the blog that way - especially with disagreements amongst ourselves regarding DT arguments. And luckily, we didn’t need to. I personally don’t really use dimensional tiering off-site like how VSBW uses it, but my views on that are not important in the slightest.

Older, underrepresented works also needed some serious looking into (like DDD where we found a massive chunk of impressive cosmic bit feats for True Daemons and the EX series especially outside of CCC & Extella) for more variety in Nasuverse blogs, and drowning that representation out with DT just rubbed me and others the wrong way. So that’s another reason we didn’t use any DT.

You’re free to still have Moon Cell and whatever at 8D. But just be a little more open-minded to others not using the arguments you think are fine. Nothing more.

Have a lovely day and I hope you had a lovely Halloween!

 

[Huesito88]

Higa, if you are going to make tons of long posts in quick succession, you should make it all in one post.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I find it funny that Thomas Edison is the most updated profile in the verse right now

 

[Fezzih_007]

Hi! One of the peeps that worked on the blog here.

We didn’t include it simply because we didn’t really want to delve into DT (dimensional tiering) arguments and bloat the blog that way - especially with disagreements amongst ourselves regarding DT arguments. And luckily, we didn’t need to

That's what I trought.

Nasuverse is kinda big on Its lore, covering everything seems way more times consuming than It need
s.

And tiering system is kinda controversial too for some people, so I agree with not covering for this matchup.

You’re free to still have Moon Cell and whatever at 8D. But just be a little more open-minded to others not using the arguments you think are fine. Nothing more.

Hm? Did I give the impression that I not open minded on the scaling you give?

I don't mind you not using 8D nasuverse, my comment was not in any way condemning you guys for not doing It, I was just saying where you put Arcueid stat wise.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I find it funny that Thomas Edison is the most updated profile in the verse right now

Hey, the Presi-King is pretty cool.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I wonder what they'll reveal here since they've already announced that Fate/strange Fake will start properly airing on January 3rd, 2026.

 

[Vietthai96]

Fate/Stay night Saber route anime remake, new Caster route

 

[Huesito88]

new Caster route

Medea Route for Fate is that what you mean?

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Fate/Stay night Saber route anime remake, new Caster route

Medea Route for Fate is that what you mean?

Maybe the scrapped route where Shirou finds Medea instead of Kuzuki will happen. Granted, she turns into Medea Lily in that route but whatever.

Unfortunately, the Caster stuff definitely won't happen because her VA passed away.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Maybe the scrapped route where Shirou finds Medea instead of Kuzuki will happen. Granted, she turns into Medea Lily in that route but whatever.

Ah, the girl who used demon god pillars to make pancakes!

 

[Huesito88]

Unfortunately, the Caster stuff definitely won't happen because her VA passed away.

Well we can still have Rider route, Illya route, Post game Ciel route, Bazett route, Ayako route, etc

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Is ORT one of the strongest beigns on fate grand order? Need it for a sandbox

 

[LilyNakahara]

Is ORT one of the strongest beigns on fate grand order? Need it for a sandbox

He's like explicitely the strongest so yeah he is

 

[Tdjwo]

Is ORT one of the strongest beigns on fate grand order? Need it for a sandbox

Yes

 

[Maniaunavailable]

He's like explicitely the strongest so yeah he is

Gonna cook

 

[Migue79]

Hm? Did I give the impression that I not open minded on the scaling you give?

I don't mind you not using 8D nasuverse, my comment was not in any way condemning you guys for not doing It, I was just saying where you put Arcueid stat wise.

Gotcha. I kinda figured it wasn’t intentional (hard to tell on the net at times). In any case… Hope you enjoyed le blog.

 

[Telomera]

The staff would probably ask you to close the thread, and rightfully so. There's no point in trying to revise a verse that's already under a massive revision that will change everything. Wankbreaker's is the now the best example to NOT let new downgrades happen in the moment.

And also, if you are going to "carry Deagonx legacy", for sure the staff will not engage with your threads since it will be a discussion rule violation.

It would not be a discussion rule violation. 1. Some of his arguments were never debunked, the thread literally just died from inactivity. Discussion rules are only meant to prevent threads from being made that advance arguments that have already been debunked. 2. I plan to bring new arguments that were also never debunked 3. There is no discussion rule anymore for nasuverse

 

[Telomera]

Honestly, just saying that "Wankbreaker succeeded" put a red flag on this guy. Like, a big one.

You just don't praise criminals like that casually, my man.

Him being a bad person doesn't actually affect whether or not any of his arguments was good or not. Jesus Christ, is that such a hard thing to understand?

 

[Huesito88]

It would not be a discussion rule violation. 1. Some of his arguments were never debunked, the thread literally just died from inactivity. Discussion rules are only meant to prevent threads from being made that advance arguments that have already been debunked. 2. I plan to bring new arguments that were also never debunked 3. There is no discussion rule anymore for nasuverse

Someone called you out in the RvT

 

[Telomera]

But he used this to "prove" that infinity cannot exist physically in Nasuverse, which would cut out 2-A ratings and even tier 1 ratings.

Sasaki was just a small example. There are big elefants in the room—like a Servant whose main power is to break the Second Law of Thermodinamics by generating infinity energy, and more.

Do you seriously not understand the difference between "potential infinity" and "actual infinity"? Both are referred to as "infinity," yet they are entirely different things. "Potential infinity" is a process that propagates without any limits, and a perpetual motion machine is a textbook example of this. At any point in time potential infinity is finite, but it is called "infinite" because over time, it continues without any limit. "Actual infinity" on the other hand is literally just an infinite amount of things that is actually actualized.

Just an example of how much f*cked up Wankbreaker's revisions were and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone, so there's no "appeal to the fact that he wasn't reliable". He was completely wrong and nothing he ever said can be looked up and considered. It's this simple. And I say more: neither I, or anyone here on this thread, needs to try to refute—or even can refute his arguments, since the point his was trying to make was done by using vandalized, altered, or straight up nonexistent sources. No one here can disprove something about Nasuverse that was completely made up by this person. This is obvious. How can I counterargument something that isn't real? How can I try to refute something that never happened in any game, novel, or media?

That's blatantly untrue. You yourself admitted that some of his scans were real even if you think he took them out of context. Saying that all of his arguments are invalid and must immediately be discarded because of him being a bad person and due to some of his other arguments being bad is literally just a genetic fallacy.

 

[Re5yh]

Lets not make Telomera downgrade Servants and The Root to Low 4-C

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Do you seriously not understand the difference between "potential infinity" and "actual infinity"? Both are referred to as "infinity," yet they are entirely different things. "Potential infinity" is a process that propagates without any limits, and a perpetual motion machine is a textbook example of this. At any point in time potential infinity is finite, but it is called "infinite" because over time, it continues without any limit. "Actual infinity" on the other hand is literally just an infinite amount of things that is actually actualized.

You're ignoring Kojiro there. Also, Maxwell's Demon isn't just a perpetual motion, it's trying to generate a literal infinite amount of energy.

Anyway, good luck trying to argue that all of the other statements about infinity are about "potential infinity."

That's blatantly untrue. You yourself admitted that some of his scans were real even if you think he took them out of context. Saying that all of his arguments are invalid and must immediately be discarded because of him being a bad person and due to some of his other arguments being bad is literally just a genetic fallacy.

Some scans may have been real, but how he used them/argued were not. Some of his arguments are more legitimate than others, but all of them have issues in some way, shape, or form.

2. I plan to bring new arguments that were also never debunked

What would some of those be?

3. There is no discussion rule anymore for nasuverse

I thought it was supposed to be reinstated since the verse was reverted? Maybe I'll make a thread about that.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Someone called you out in the RvT

Jeez, jump the gun much?

That's was totally unescessary Kisa, c'mon.

 

[Telomera]

You're ignoring Kojiro there.

I actually already addressed Kojiro's ability as well. Kojiro's ability is said to be a perfect mirror of Musashi's ability Zero, the latter of which is not literally an actualized zero but is instead a process that shaves away numerous possibilities. This would imply that Kojiro's ability is, in turn, an ability that is not an actualized infinity but is instead a process that creates numerous possibilities endlessly, which is of course potential infinity. The fact that there is so much nuance with what is said about Musashi calls into question whether or not we can take everything said about Kojiro at face value.

Also, Maxwell's Demon isn't just a perpetual motion, it's trying to generate a literal infinite amount of energy.

Do you have any sources for Maxwell's Demon producing an "actual infinity"? With the context of him utilizing the concept of a perpetual motion machine/the violation of the second law of thermodynamics, it's only natural to think that the infinite he produces is only a potential infinite. After all, if he was actually creating an "actual infinity" of energy, he would be violating the first law of thermodynamics, not just the second. And of course, it does seem pretty outlandish that some random servant is somehow capable of AP that is at the very least High 3-A. All of these things in conjunction make it pretty hard to conclude that he produces an actual infinity as opposed to a potential infinity.

Some scans may have been real, but how he used them/argued were not. Some of his arguments are more legitimate than others, but all of them have issues in some way, shape, or form.

I thought it was supposed to be reinstated since the verse was reverted? Maybe I'll make a thread about that.

Until someone actually debunks literally every single one of Deagonx and WB's arguments and gets staff approval to reject them, we cannot simply throw away all of their arguments and make it against the rules to use them just because you personally disagree with them.

 

[Re5yh]

Bro entered the villain arc

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Do you seriously not understand the difference between "potential infinity" and "actual infinity"? Both are referred to as "infinity," yet they are entirely different things. "Potential infinity" is a process that propagates without any limits, and a perpetual motion machine is a textbook example of this. At any point in time potential infinity is finite, but it is called "infinite" because over time, it continues without any limit. "Actual infinity" on the other hand is literally just an infinite amount of things that is actually actualized.

That's blatantly untrue. You yourself admitted that some of his scans were real even if you think he took them out of context. Saying that all of his arguments are invalid and must immediately be discarded because of him being a bad person and due to some of his other arguments being bad is literally just a genetic fallacy.

you tried to use a biography to debunk higher dimensions on nasu. Stop trying to scale lil bro

 

[Telomera]

you tried to use a biography to debunk higher dimensions on nasu. Stop trying to scale lil bro

Yeah bro why would I use the official in-game F/GO profiles to powerscale? That's so crazy bro.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Yeah bro why would I use the official in-game F/GO profiles to powerscale? That's so crazy bro.

prove with feats she is the weakest, ur own scan says she became stronger lol

 

[Fezzih_007]

You guys are really sturborn huh?

you tried to use a biography to debunk higher dimensions on nasu. Stop trying to scale lil bro

He source is not wrong tho.

The argument he made is bad tho, Euryle is really not a antifeat.

 

[Robo432343]

I think it's best to ignore Telomera in this general discussion and wait for him to post the CRT
Though it's very likely that the CRT won't get accepted

 

[Maniaunavailable]

You guys are really sturborn huh?

He source is not wrong tho.

The argument he made is bad tho, Euryle is really not a antifeat.

the source literally says she became stronger, euryle base form is literally featless lmao

edit: lets just ignore him, if the CRT gets acepted good for him, if not we just laugh at him

 

[Telomera]

The argument he made is bad tho, Euryle is really not a antifeat.

It shows that despite being higher dimensional, Divine Spirits are not inherently stronger than lower dimensional beings such as 3D beings. This does of course contradict the idea that "all higher dimensional things/beings in the Nasuverse are uncountably above lower dimensional things/beings."

Deagonx's soul argument shows the same thing. Souls, despite being higher dimensional, are not infinitely above 3D beings. This argument of his was never debunked, and even Ultima viewed the counterarguments against this argument as really flimsy.

 

[Telomera]

I think it's best to ignore Telomera in this general discussion and wait for him to post the CRT
Though it's very likely that the CRT won't get accepted

I probably won't make any actual moves until the revamp team does.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

ngl you guys are more toxic than us at the DMC fandom lol

like yall really reported him for being against the tiers? bruh

 

[Maniaunavailable]

ngl you guys are more toxic than us at the DMC fandom lol

like yall really reported him for being against the tiers? bruh

wdym yall it was one member

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

In my defense, I was overthinking but it's already been addressed there so no point to bring out my report here

 

[HigashikataJobin]

That's blatantly untrue. You yourself admitted that some of his scans were real even if you think he took them out of context. Saying that all of his arguments are invalid and must immediately be discarded because of him being a bad person and due to some of his other arguments being bad is literally just a genetic fallacy.

No, I didn't say that all of his arguments should be discarded because he's a bad person. What I'm saying is that every one of his arguments are wrong, even if you just ignore that they cannot be taken seriously when he altered something here and there in his favor. Yes, not every one of his scans were false, I never said that; however, even when they weren't, they were taken out of context.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Until someone actually debunks literally every single one of Deagonx and WB's arguments and gets staff approval to reject them, we cannot simply throw away all of their arguments and make it against the rules to use them just because you personally disagree with them.

My brother in Christ, every one of WB's CRTs were, in fact, considered non-reliable and couldn't be used by the majority of the staff. That's why everything was undone and put back to normal.

So yeah, the Nasuverse discussion rule have returned with the old tier 1 ratings.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Him being a bad person doesn't actually affect whether or not any of his arguments was good or not. Jesus Christ, is that such a hard thing to understand?

He was a bad person and his arguments were horrible. That's what everyone here is saying. His arguments were bad because he was a bad person to begin with, because every one of his CRTs were agenda and nothing more.

Not even him himself believed in what he was saying, since just months before all of his bullshit, he was trying to upgrade some Nasuverse characters.

 

[Elesia011]

I actually already addressed Kojiro's ability as well. Kojiro's ability is said to be a perfect mirror of Musashi's ability Zero, the latter of which is not literally an actualized zero but is instead a process that shaves away numerous possibilities. This would imply that Kojiro's ability is, in turn, an ability that is not an actualized infinity but is instead a process that creates numerous possibilities endlessly, which is of course potential infinity. The fact that there is so much nuance with what is said about Musashi calls into question whether or not we can take everything said about Kojiro at face value.

Do you have any sources for Maxwell's Demon producing an "actual infinity"? With the context of him utilizing the concept of a perpetual motion machine/the violation of the second law of thermodynamics, it's only natural to think that the infinite he produces is only a potential infinite. After all, if he was actually creating an "actual infinity" of energy, he would be violating the first law of thermodynamics, not just the second. And of course, it does seem pretty outlandish that some random servant is somehow capable of AP that is at the very least High 3-A. All of these things in conjunction make it pretty hard to conclude that he produces an actual infinity as opposed to a potential infinity.

Until someone actually debunks literally every single one of Deagonx and WB's arguments and gets staff approval to reject them, we cannot simply throw away all of their arguments and make it against the rules to use them just because you personally disagree with them.

Are we arguing about infinity as a concept in the Nasuverse ?, if that's the case I am pretty sure I can cook you very badly on that.
Now if we are referring to physical space not being infinite even here I could hold my ground. I think the verse has enough quotes on infinity overall for us to have a general comprehension of it.