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Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)

He has a dura neg attack he tends to spam lmfao
He'd only have that in true form, so Garou would still need to be removed

It is also an attack where he has to point, and chant, to use it along with the fact he does not lead with it in fights because he likes to test his opponents first. I don't know much of Theresa, actually I know nothing, but she can one shot him given she's now over 2 and a half thousand times stronger than him.

The battle itself was even run when Sukuna was 7-A, meaning he's below the tier he was when they did the match
 
Fern vs Yuta should be removed, Yuta got upgraded to 7C
So should Giyuu vs Yuta (Yuta is 7-C and Giyuu is High 7-C) and Echo vs Yuta (Since Yuta is now higher AP then Echo which reverses the AP Advantage the map was run on before)

TBH most of the Matches JJK characters have are now obsolete with the AP upgrade
 
So should Giyuu vs Yuta (Yuta is 7-C and Giyuu is High 7-C) and Echo vs Yuta (Since Yuta is now higher AP then Echo which reverses the AP Advantage the map was run on before)

TBH most of the Matches JJK characters have are now obsolete with the AP upgrade
Yuta’s win con was to have Rika spawn on him restrain him with the big LS advantage and then Yuta duranegs him. Giyu wasnt bloodlusted so he wasnt going to kill Yuta anyways either
 
I request this matchup to be removed from both of their profiles as garou had no actual wincons

reasoning: the main reason they voted for garou was because of skill diff but the thing is that Reinhard cannot be Ko'd because of a dp that forces him to be awake if he is in danger (dp of first sigh) or killed (dp of phoenix) and anything below that would be regenerated through with the spirits around him. He also constantly refreshes his stamina with the flow method, at best its an incon where garou outstats him hard. Realistically, Reinhard just outlasts him
 
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Match was thoroughly discussed and determined Garou had multiple win cons.

Most common being the Reactive Evolution Stat Cliff + Knockout (Something Garou does often in character even without prior knowledge, against human characters)...and another being outlasting via sleep fighting.

This is just Reinhard voters upset that their guy lost.
 
Reinhard cannot be Ko'd because of a dp that forces him to be awake if he is in danger or killed (dp of phoenix) and anything below that would be regenerated through with the spirits around him.
Like I said, it wasnt only KO but also pressure points.

The description of DP of Phoenix in the profile only applies to death, not KO.

Also, High-Low does not cover brain damage.
He also constantly refreshes his stamina with the flow method
Never proved in the thread. And even if it was the case, it would need a CRT for it, as that would change his stamina rating/justification.
 
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and another being outlasting via sleep fighting.
Idc about the rest of the wincons but this wasnt one, your point was that he gets rest sleep fighting, i obviously disagreed as there is nothing that states he gets rest while sleep fighting, you mentioned something about sleepwalking trying to justify it, i told you that u couldn't use this analogy at all as what Garou is doing is completely different.
 
Match was thoroughly discussed and determined Garou had multiple win cons.

Most common being the Reactive Evolution Stat Cliff + Knockout (Something Garou does often in character even without prior knowledge,
Divine protection of First sight makes it so that he will be woken up even if he is sleeping or knocked out

Also it is a given, that pressure points or knock out via martial arts arent going to work on Reinhard. That much is easily covered by his dps. Even if you werent privy to all of the feats in question its only logical to realize that pressure points is going to be included in his slop.

Also not to mention, Garou's pressure points are actually just bad, it took him an entire moveset to fully take out tanktop master

meanwhile, almost every fight in Re:Zero has the characters targetting each others vitals and joints constantly, examples are Elsa when she targetted her opponents vitals with her senses cut off based on intuition alone, Rem (the literal fodder of the verse) knocked out Subaru casually, Olbart also instantly knocked out a hard in one hit which is superior to what garou did, he also paralysed the zombies using a similar technique, Although i cant find the scans Yae Tengen kept Heinkel in check by knocking him out again and again using her pressure point technique, this was also used a ton in Al vs Rom and gang

Then we have Theresia, who possesses such fine skill that she could steal away the function of a person's leg, passing her blade between networks of muscle and nerves which is a way higher feat than simple pressure point hitting or how about her husband, the Sword Demon, who when faced with a chunk of floor rebounding towards him with twice the speed and force he kicked it away with, voided all of its power by stabbing the dead center of its mass with surgical precision

We also have Heinkel who instantly went for the vitals

Heinkel: “――Shut the **** up.”

Here, before Groovy could finish his sentence, a flash of silver surged toward him in retaliation.

While still seated in his chair, he unleashed a horizontal slash aiming for Groovy’s neck. Something similar had happened when he had first barged into the tavern, but this was precise swordsmanship that sought to strike the opponent’s vitals.

If the opponent had not been Groovy, it might have been a fatal attack, but.

Groovy: “Who do you think you’re picking a ******* fight with, ASSHOLE!!”

Evading in a way such that the sword attack only skimmed the tip of his nose, Groovy took a step, and closed the distance in a single instant as his fist howled; equipped with a gauntlet, it slammed into the side of the red-haired middle-aged man’s torso, the resultant shock wave launching him into the wall.

Emilia also only targeted Regulus's vitals in their fight, afterwards also mainly attacking the pressure points as she pummeled him

here is spica an equal to Emilia doing this:

It was evident that was not transcendental might which the young girl possessed by birth―― no, Natsuki Subaru was au fait with all up to even that power’s origin.

That was, that was, that was the power that mustn’t be, the ■■ that must perish――.

Abel: [I had reckoned she was no mere girl, I understand now.]

Subaru: [Eh……?]

Beside Subaru, who was yet cowering and capable of naught but watching the circumstance in a daze, so muttered Abel.

As he murmured whilst watching the same scene, Subaru’s eyes wavered, unknowing of his true intent. Keeping Subaru’s state by the edge of his sight, Abel pointed forward, towards Louis who was one-sidedly thrashing their pursuers,

Abel: [So this is the reason why you had that girl accompany you around.]

Subaru: [Y-you’re wro……]

He instantly sought to snarl at him in repudiation.

However, if he were to then be asked why he had Louis accompany him around, then he would fail to provide any answer. That was how it had been so far, and that was how it would be now as well.

Rhinoman: [Stop! You better listen or this girl will be―― gah!?]

Louis: [Auau!]

Beholding this, the rhinoman raised his voice in an attempt to halt the collapse of his comrades.

He attempted to take Medium, who was clutched within his gigantic arm, as a hostage but Louis’s attack reached him before he could communicate his threat.

Louis warped for a few meters in distance, and knocked the man’s head from both sides using both her arms with all her strength. His ears pounded by her palms, his eyes whirled and went white as he crumbled.

Medium: [Wah kya~h…… L-Louis-chan?]

Louis: [Aaauuu.]

Suddenly released, Medium tumbled to the ground as Louis jumped before her. Patting Louis’s head, she surveyed the environs, staggered.

Within Medium’s vision, all those who had gathered on the street were lying on the ground, collapsed.

Louis, all by herself, had trounced greater than ten enemies.- Arc 7, Chapter 47

A very quick reminder that none of these characters are above even Theresia, forget Reinhard who is at a level on which even an eternity of training wouldnt allow them to reach. He completely outclasses this section.

And finally the best one for the last, a stronger version of Cecilus who is both faster and equally skilled (likely superior in skill at that point in the story) as Reinhard can instantly knock people out, him along with Halibel, who's main power is literally dead-spot an ability that can not only instantly attack someone's weak point to instantly one shot but also powernull magic, he can halt the regeneration of the undead, which can regenerate from their coin-sized core, were defeated simultaneously along with puck helping them out. The strongest spirit we have seen so far in the series.


against human characters)...and another being outlasting via sleep fighting.
Not only is this completely false, Reinhard actually has been stated to be capable of fighting an eternal fight against Satella, by the author as well

Q: In a fight between Satella and Reinhard, of course Reinhard would win right? Also, what’s the difference in strength between the two?

A: Due to a matter of affinity it would be an endless battle. The difference is between Disgaea and Final Fantasy

Like I said, it wasnt only KO but also pressure points.

The description of DP of Phoenix in the profile only applies to death, not KO.
already cleared it above, Garou's pressure points are half baked and wouldnt be able to do anything significant when pp on the level of halibel and Cecilus couldnt

also its a different dp which wakes him up.
Also, High-Low does not cover brain damage.
Garfiel can fight through brain damage while having his inside be eaten by insects, there is no reason Reinhard who is even tankier couldnt either, instinctive fighting covers all of this
Never proved in the thread. And even if it was the case, it would need a CRT for it, as that would change his stamina rating/justification.
The flow method refreshment only explained why he could continue fighting forever, the fact that he could do so has been accepted forever and is already on his profile
 
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also its a different dp which wakes him up.
Like?
Garfiel can fight through brain damage, there is no reason Reinhard who is even tankier couldnt either, instinctive fighting covers all of this
Garfiel's bestification is Low-Mid regen, which covers brain damage. Reinhard's isnt. If you think it should be higher make a CRT.
The flow method refreshment only explained why he could continue fighting forever, the fact that he could do so has been accepted forever and is already on his profile
It doesnt matter since the flow method's refreshment is not noted on his stamina section as something that restores his stamina. And since it isnt noted, you cant use it to argue that he wins over garou in the stamina department with this. And Im not seeing on the profile that the Flow Method restores his stamina anyway.

Either way, his stamina section would need to be revised, because "he can actually fight forever!" is not just superhuman.
 
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first statement i made, go check it out
Garfiel's bestification is Low-Mid regen, which covers brain damage. Reinhard's isnt. If you think it should be higher make a CRT.
I am not talking about regen at all lol, he fought through brain damage and instinctively figured out how to counter a trap, all while his head was cracked open with severe brain damage. Reinhard massively scales above that and would easily be able to do the same. Reinhard could heal his entire leg, minor brain damage is easily healable. Its also noted in the same regen section that the spirits have healed fatal injuries before. This much is absolutely nothing


It doesnt matter since the flow method's refreshment is not noted on his stamina section as something that restores his stamina. And if it isnt noted, then you cant use it to argue that he wins over garou in the stamina department with this. And Im not seeing on the profile that the Flow Method restores his stamina anyway.

Either way, his stamina section would need to be revised, because "he can actually fight forever!" is not just superhuman.
You didnt counter my point very well, it doesnt matter if the reasoning for why he could fight isnt on his profile, the fact that he can still is. He absolutely outlasts garou here, even if you lowball, he could still stay awake for a week straight meanwhile garou does get tired numerous times.
 
To sum it up for new people: Reinhard lost a single match and we can't have him losing anything so this argument will go on until shut down, or the end of time.
 
None of this disproves the win-conditions you're just continuing the debate even though the thread ended...
Alright then, what exactly are these win conditions you’re talking about? Can you point to a single proper citation supporting your claim?


To sum it up for new people: Reinhard lost a single match and we can't have him losing anything so this argument will go on until shut down, or the end of time.
I dont care much about Reinhard losing in fact you can check his profile, he only has his losses listed rn. its only when the matchup is wrongly concluded that i care about it. This is one of the first times i have ever tried to remove a vs thread from a profile
 

Muzan got upgraded to Low 7-B
 
I request this matchup to be removed from both of their profiles as garou had no actual wincons

reasoning: the main reason they voted for garou was because of skill diff but the thing is that Reinhard cannot be Ko'd because of a dp that forces him to be awake if he is in danger or killed (dp of phoenix) and anything below that would be regenerated through with the spirits around him. He also constantly refreshes his stamina with the flow method, at best its an incon where garou outstats him hard. Realistically, Reinhard just outlasts him
bumping this since no counter arguments have been made
 
Appreciate the autobiography, but it still doesn’t address the actual argument. If you’re tired of debates, maybe don’t enter a debate forum?
There's a difference between debate, which I enjoy, and watching one person puke up the exact same points worded differently over and over and over and over--
 
There's a difference between debate, which I enjoy, and watching one person puke up the exact same points worded differently over and over and over and over--
Interesting, you’ve taken on the job of spokesperson for people who couldn’t answer, at least I’m actually providing something to the discussion.
 
Interesting, you’ve taken on the job of spokesperson for people who couldn’t answer, at least I’m actually providing something to the discussion.
So, what is the difference between these points
first statement i made, go check it out

I am not talking about regen at all lol, he fought through brain damage and instinctively figured out how to counter a trap, all while his head was cracked open with severe brain damage. Reinhard massively scales above that and would easily be able to do the same. Reinhard could heal his entire leg, minor brain damage is easily healable. Its also noted in the same regen section that the spirits have healed fatal injuries before. This much is absolutely nothing




You didnt counter my point very well, it doesnt matter if the reasoning for why he could fight isnt on his profile, the fact that he can still is. He absolutely outlasts garou here, even if you lowball, he could still stay awake for a week straight meanwhile garou does get tired numerous times.
And these points?
Divine protection of First sight makes it so that he will be woken up even if he is sleeping or knocked out

Also it is a given, that pressure points or knock out via martial arts arent going to work on Reinhard. That much is easily covered by his dps. Even if you werent privy to all of the feats in question its only logical to realize that pressure points is going to be included in his slop.

Also not to mention, Garou's pressure points are actually just bad, it took him an entire moveset to fully take out tanktop master

meanwhile, almost every fight in Re:Zero has the characters targetting each others vitals and joints constantly, examples are Elsa when she targetted her opponents vitals with her senses cut off based on intuition alone, Rem (the literal fodder of the verse) knocked out Subaru casually, Olbart also instantly knocked out a hard in one hit which is superior to what garou did, he also paralysed the zombies using a similar technique, Although i cant find the scans Yae Tengen kept Heinkel in check by knocking him out again and again using her pressure point technique, this was also used a ton in Al vs Rom and gang

Then we have Theresia, who possesses such fine skill that she could steal away the function of a person's leg, passing her blade between networks of muscle and nerves which is a way higher feat than simple pressure point hitting or how about her husband, the Sword Demon, who when faced with a chunk of floor rebounding towards him with twice the speed and force he kicked it away with, voided all of its power by stabbing the dead center of its mass with surgical precision

We also have Heinkel who instantly went for the vitals



Emilia also only targeted Regulus's vitals in their fight, afterwards also mainly attacking the pressure points as she pummeled him

here is spica an equal to Emilia doing this:



A very quick reminder that none of these characters are above even Theresia, forget Reinhard who is at a level on which even an eternity of training wouldnt allow them to reach. He completely outclasses this section.

And finally the best one for the last, a stronger version of Cecilus who is both faster and equally skilled (likely superior in skill at that point in the story) as Reinhard can instantly knock people out, him along with Halibel, who's main power is literally dead-spot an ability that can not only instantly attack someone's weak point to instantly one shot but also powernull magic, he can halt the regeneration of the undead, which can regenerate from their coin-sized core, were defeated simultaneously along with puck helping them out. The strongest spirit we have seen so far in the series.



Not only is this completely false, Reinhard actually has been stated to be capable of fighting an eternal fight against Satella, by the author as well




already cleared it above, Garou's pressure points are half baked and wouldnt be able to do anything significant when pp on the level of halibel and Cecilus couldnt

also its a different dp which wakes him up.

Garfiel can fight through brain damage while having his inside be eaten by insects, there is no reason Reinhard who is even tankier couldnt either, instinctive fighting covers all of this

The flow method refreshment only explained why he could continue fighting forever, the fact that he could do so has been accepted forever and is already on his profile
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Edit: Anyways, flooding a Wiki Management thread with this, so I'm gonna go **** off now.
 
So I've read through every match for Gojo's page and I've concluded most these need to be removed.

Before we address them, let's read the conditions for something to be a stomp.
  • Aeon (Castlevania) versus Dialga with speed equalization. Both may have a similar time manipulation emphasis, but the sheer difference in tiers makes the level of their power completely different. Note how even a small tier gap can be massive (Like 2-A to 2-B or low end 5-B to 5-A).
  • Superman (Red Son) versus Doctor Doom with speed equalization. Both may have the same statistics, but their abilities make it one-sided towards Doctor Doom.
  • High 6-A Golden King versus X-Man with speed equalization. While both have similar statistics and incredible abilities, Golden King's passive abilities make it so that no matter the circumstances or chance, Golden King will always win.
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The sheer difference in tiers is a reason for a stomp. Greater/more hax make it a stomp/one-side. Having something like passive abilities (especially the GK) make it a stomp. The page also says: Unlike a match which is decisive in one character's favor, stomp matches very rarely leave any room for debate, with their outcomes coming across as predictable to anyone with even cursory knowledge of the combatants and their abilities.

The page then explains what constitutes fair matches.
  • Both characters have several methods of winning. However, one character can reliably use/activate their winning move(s) first.
  • One character has more ways to win than the other, but the other character wins more times than not due to matchup specifics that allow/cause them to use their winning move(s) immediately.
  • Both characters are otherwise evenly matched in terms of statistics and abilities, but one has regeneration that the other can possibly, but not easily, surmount.
  • One character having a level of regeneration that prevents them from being killed, but the other has an ability that would allow them to win despite the former's level of regeneration, such as mind manipulation, soul manipulation, etc...
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The matches:
Doctor Strange, as everyone can see is H6A with Magic, so he crushes Gojo in ap. The biggest thing wrong with this match is the Time Stone, it's got CM2 and Time Hax, Gojo, as we all know has no counter to this. The eye of Apple Sauce is also L2C. Gojo's win con through power can't be accomplished and his domain just won't come out before Strange decides to BFR (multi+ range) or just crush with magic. Since this was done when Gojo had H7A and Strange was H7A not surprised it went un-removed for so long. You can look through the thread to also see almost no win con was given for Gojo besides domain which Strange also counters through the time stone or teleporting away.

Hilariously made and genuinely a meme it was added. Michael simply has to press a button to time stop Gojo incapping him without Gojo resisting at all. It leaves no debate for an actual fight where abilities are countered or used.

The match was when Gojo had concept manip on page and was apparently a counter to her bypassing Infinity through her love beam, it's not on page anymore so such a counter doesn't work anymore. Many argued the beam getting past Infinity due to his unawareness of the beam but also because of it's vagueness of what its made of.

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Yami cuts him with an inter-dimensional spatial slash that bypasses Infinity. Similar to Boa’s match, CM arguments were used here too, but since it's no longer on the page, this should be removed as well. Yami has the AP, the skill, and a win condition that’s essentially unavoidable, while most of Gojo’s options can be tanked. A fight like this ends up one sided, with Gojo throwing out abilities like Blue, Red, and Purple that ultimately get negated or destroyed. I can understand how Gojo's domain can make this seem like it isn't a stomp, but it only works if you argue Gojo pops domain early into the match while Yami only needs to swing his sword.

Just a bunch of tomfoolery. I'm fine with it staying but like many of these matches, they were during a time when Gojo had CM2, he doesn't have that now and Ubel's win con is ridiculously more viable than anyone arguing Gojo teleporting or using blue or red or whatever, all of which can be countered through her spear. 11 pages of yapping.

GFTTA2bbYAAgE-y

Just put the fries in the bag gang.
 
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Ender Dragon and Warden battles should be removed from the profile sinse both where from a time where minecraft top tiers where City Block Level at most
 
Ainz Ooal Gown (Overlord) Ainz's Profile (Ainz had prior knowledge and a day of preparation. Speed was equalized)

Yeah this needs to be removed from Reinhard's profile. Not only has Ainz consistently won this matchup without the day of prep and prior knowledge he has here, but he's also gained a layer on his primary shit since then. Reinhard had gained too, but not enough to make this particular one NOT a stomp match.
 

Ender Dragon and Warden battles should be removed from the profile sinse both where from a time where minecraft top tiers where City Block Level at most
So how does this works here? we need aproval or something? I can just go to the profiles and delete under this arguments?
 
I think this match between Thanos and Arishem should be removed. Arishem has since had several stats, abilities, and resistances upgrades, plus the thread ignored (until the last comments but without being properly addressed) that Arishem can start with thought based TK (with Universal LS), which would restrain Thanos from doing anything
 
About Adam, while I was gone he got downgraded and then farmed... such a sad sight to see. Of course I'll save my KING!
So this will be a common explanation but like there was almost no debate, somone said Makima one shots and low diffs. Some people disagreed because of Adam's Holy Light being a game changer, right after people started voting Makima and it ended... Only like one guy talked about the matchup and he did that after the 5 votes were casted
  • Pochita (Chainsaw Man) Pochita's Profile ("Part 1" Pochita was used; High 7-C was restricted; Battle took place in Infinitely Sized Burger King; Distance is 20m; Speed was Equalized.
You can't make this up, first comment is a vote for Pochita. Like, not a single soul even debated how Adam can tank slashes due to his Immortality and when he takes even one he is going for Blasts. Either way its obviously spited.
This one ain't so bad but still the distance was clearly unfair for Adam yet nothing was changed, according to the votes this is also a stomp due to the distance
  • Yoru (Chainsaw Man) Yoru's Profile ("Post-Fear Boost" Yoru was used; Adam has Prior Knowledge; Battle took in Shibuya; Distance is 50m; Speed was Equalized.)
Again. First comment, vote. According to them Yoru just one shots off the bat... how is this like fair oh wait! He has knowledge now, that should change the entire bat- why is everyone voting Yoru without explanation. Wtf?
  • Ryomen Sukuna (Jujutsu Kaisen) Sukuna's Profile ("15 Finger" Sukuna was used; Sukuna's possible Soul Manipulation is allowed; Battle took place in the Hellaverse Hell's Pride Ring, near tye Hazbin Hotel; Distance is 75m; Speed was Equalized)
This one actually had debates and I can see this being okay to keep, my only problem is despite the later arguments about skill instead of going back at the start with these in mind people just voted Sukuna.
Atp this should be a rule violation, so the first comment is slandering Adam and glazing Gabriel. Someone says Gabriel can resist a heat thats way less than Adam's and then randomly people vote Gabriel, someone says Adam can win and its closed. Wow... what a fight huh?
This one is frying me, not a SINGLE argument in sight. First comment says, Adam gets skill diffed. Everyone votes. End. Cmon dawg, like no Adam isn't losing this but even if he is this is NOT the way you do versus threads. Its blatant farming.
Somehow. In someway, everyone in this thread forgot about Adam's soul and morality manipulation. Insanity...
I don't understand how this was added, its literally deemed a stomp with minimal arguments. Get it OUT of here.

Edit: V1 should be removed with the rest of the Ultrakill matchups, its the same deal but it at least has an wincon specificed being the coin toss. No Adam supporter though.
 
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About Adam, while I was gone he got downgraded and then farmed... such a sad sight to see. Of course I'll save my KING!
So this will be a common explanation but like there was almost no debate, somone said Makima one shots and low diffs. Some people disagreed because of Adam's Holy Light being a game changer, right after people started voting Makima and it ended... Only like one guy talked about the matchup and he did that after the 5 votes were casted
  • Pochita (Chainsaw Man) Pochita's Profile ("Part 1" Pochita was used; High 7-C was restricted; Battle took place in Infinitely Sized Burger King; Distance is 20m; Speed was Equalized.
You can't make this up, first comment is a vote for Pochita. Like, not a single soul even debated how Adam can tank slashes due to his Immortality and when he takes even one he is going for Blasts. Either way its obviously spited.
This one ain't so bad but still the distance was clearly unfair for Adam yet nothing was changed, according to the votes this is also a stomp due to the distance
  • Yoru (Chainsaw Man) Yoru's Profile ("Post-Fear Boost" Yoru was used; Adam has Prior Knowledge; Battle took in Shibuya; Distance is 50m; Speed was Equalized.)
Again. First comment, vote. According to them Yoru just one shots off the bat... how is this like fair oh wait! He has knowledge now, that should change the entire bat- why is everyone voting Yoru without explanation. Wtf?
  • Ryomen Sukuna (Jujutsu Kaisen) Sukuna's Profile ("15 Finger" Sukuna was used; Sukuna's possible Soul Manipulation is allowed; Battle took place in the Hellaverse Hell's Pride Ring, near tye Hazbin Hotel; Distance is 75m; Speed was Equalized)
This one actually had debates and I can see this being okay to keep, my only problem is despite the later arguments about skill instead of going back at the start with these in mind people just voted Sukuna.
Atp this should be a rule violation, so the first comment is slandering Adam and glazing Gabriel. Someone says Gabriel can resist a heat thats way less than Adam's and then randomly people vote Gabriel, someone says Adam can win and its closed. Wow... what a fight huh?
This one is frying me, not a SINGLE argument in sight. First comment says, Adam gets skill diffed. Everyone votes. End. Cmon dawg, like no Adam isn't losing this but even if he is this is NOT the way you do versus threads. Its blatant farming.
Somehow. In someway, everyone in this thread forgot about Adam's soul and morality manipulation. Insanity...
I don't understand how this was added, its literally deemed a stomp with minimal arguments. Get it OUT of here.
BTW gotta check Lucifer too, pretty sure he's been getting farmed too.
 
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