Gojo vs Wonder of U

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Satoru Gojo

Satoru Gojo (五ご条じょう 悟さとる, Gojō Satoru?) is one of the main protagonists of the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a Special Grade Jujutsu Sorcerer who is widely recognized as the strongest of the Modern Era. Satoru is the pride of the Gojo Family, being the first person to inherit both Limitless and...

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Toru (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure)

Toru (透とお龍る, Tōru?) is an alleged medical student and the ex of Yasuho Hirose, originally exposing himself as a ally to the group and a part time student, in truth, Toru is the mastermind behind the Rock Humans within the town of Morioh and the trafficking of the Rokakaka fruit, and the Head...

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bro this is just an experiment
sorry if this is a stomp

 

[Hizack123]

r22FED2E

????

 

[ExSENNA]

This was done before and ended up being an incon.

Though Idk how it ends now and why it was removed

 

[Valeska24]

As someone who loves both series, I would like to express my comment

Firstly, Tooru has a big advantage in this match.

Calamity gives him a lot of abilities and extra powers such as Manipulation of Fate, Manipulation of Logic, Manipulation of Chance (i.e. Manipulation of Probability), all of which can be activated by performing an attack against Tooru or Wonder Of You, or even just thinking about him in your mind, which is what "Calamity" is all about.

Thinking of an attack against Tooru = "Calamity" taking effect on you

These misfortunes can happen to you in all sorts of ways (when Josuke ate the fruit, because he did it to defeat Wou, the fruit became a stone and blocked Josuke's throat, causing him to choke). So yes, Calamity doesn't have a fixed way of attacking. As long as Gojo tries to reach him, all kinds of misfortunes will happen to him, and yes, I think Gojo has no chance against it.

Note: Killing Tooru doesn't mean killing Wou. Wou is directly connected to Calamity, and Calamity is a law of the world, so I guess Gojo can't do anything agai
nst it.

 

[ZetsuEarly0]

For God's sake, what kind of attack could Gojo have against Tooru? Tooru can beat Gojo very easily.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Unless something changed, the conclusion is that neither can bypass the other's defense

 

[TaiwaneseScaler]

Following

Leaning towards WOU

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I'm fairly certain the result is the same

Gojo can't bypass Calamity and WoU can't bypass Infinity

 

[Hizack123]

stalemate then?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

wouldn't calamity reduce the chance of infinity even happening tho

Infinity is always on

 

[Doggo]

voting incon


both can't do anything to each other

 

[TaiwaneseScaler]

Yea Gojo dies to Organ failure or smth

 

[Lynieryz]

Limited Power Nullification (Temporarily negated Josuke's manual control over his own ability[13])

WoU can't make Gojo hit himself with his own attacks?

 

[MintyBoi1]

Yeah pretty sure Calamity just negs Gojo in some way. There’s no way for Gojo to harm Tooru or the stand either or either he gets outlasted since WOU is automatic or he dies somehow

 

[TaiwaneseScaler]

Wait can't Gojo cut platonic concepts? I see a plausible wincon here unless Calamity kills him if he tries using it.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Anyone that approaches Tooru or WOU will be affected by Calamity

 

[TaiwaneseScaler]

Anyone that approaches Tooru or WOU will be affected by Calamity

Yea, I'm voting for WOU

 

[CrackerVolley]

I'm leaning towards WoU since there were instances of Calamity killing people without the need for physical objects, bypassing Limitless. The main example of this is that one guy who got his neck snapped without anything to prompt it.

 

[Armorchompy]

Is Gojo's infinity active when he's sleeping?

 

[TaiwaneseScaler]

Is Gojo's infinity active when he's sleeping?

Ye im pretty sure his infinity is automatic. Regardless infinity or not calamity is killing Gojo.

 

[Rez]

Ye im pretty sure his infinity is automatic. Regardless infinity or not calamity is killing Gojo.

I think you were trying to link something else, but yeah infinity is always active.

 

[Armorchompy]

I wouldn't necessarily consider something being passive to be enough to say it's on when he sleeps ngl

 

[M3X_2.0]

wait a sec
why does wou and endless calamity have separate keys
which one am i supposed to be using

Tooru doesn’t have any keys.

 

[Valeska24]

I'm leaning towards WoU since there were instances of Calamity killing people without the need for physical objects, bypassing Limitless. The main example of this is that one guy who got his neck snapped without anything to prompt it.

I think there is a misunderstanding here. Since Taoka ate the Roroka fruit, this fruit somehow caused him to become this way. However, this example you mentioned is really valuable. Because, as I mentioned, it clearly shows us that Calamity does not have a fixed attack style.In the battle gojo's Any action he takes could kill him inside. This is very open to interpretation because, as I said, in normal life, everything that is normal and harmless can be extremely deadly in the face of Wou (the intensity of the falling rain was strong enough to shatter Josuke's finger or just a simple foot slip and the characters lost their limbs) are shown to us many times in the series. So I still think Wou will win

 

[TaiwaneseScaler]

I think there is a misunderstanding here. Since Taoka ate the Roroka fruit, this fruit somehow caused him to become this way. However, this example you mentioned is really valuable. Because, as I mentioned, it clearly shows us that Calamity does not have a fixed attack style.In the battle gojo's Any action he takes could kill him inside. This is very open to interpretation because, as I said, in normal life, everything that is normal and harmless can be extremely deadly in the face of Wou (the intensity of the falling rain was strong enough to shatter Josuke's finger or just a simple foot slip and the characters lost their limbs) are shown to us many times in the series. So I still think Wou will win

Please give your input bro

 

[Lynieryz]

I think there is a misunderstanding here. Since Taoka ate the Roroka fruit, this fruit somehow caused him to become this way. However, this example you mentioned is really valuable. Because, as I mentioned, it clearly shows us that Calamity does not have a fixed attack style.In the battle gojo's Any action he takes could kill him inside. This is very open to interpretation because, as I said, in normal life, everything that is normal and harmless can be extremely deadly in the face of Wou (the intensity of the falling rain was strong enough to shatter Josuke's finger or just a simple foot slip and the characters lost their limbs) are shown to us many times in the series. So I still think Wou will win

True, WoU can make the air Gojo breathes lethal to him, the light he sees, the sound he hears, etc.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Not really seeing how Calamity can target Gojo.

 

[Lynieryz]

Not really seeing how Calamity can target Gojo.

WoU does not need to target Gojo, WoU can control Gojo's attacks; WoU can make the air, sound and light that Gojo breathes/hears/sees lethal to himself.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

WoU does not need to target Gojo, WoU can control Gojo's attacks; WoU can make the air, sound and light that Gojo breathes/hears/sees lethal to himself.

From my reading of his page, Calamity needs a target that is "pursuing" in order to activate it's Logic manipulation. No target means Calamity has nothing to direct its effects to.

 

[Phoenks]

I wouldn't necessarily consider something being passive to be enough to say it's on when he sleeps ngl

It's on when he sleeps (24/7) and its utilization in general is a subconscious action.

 

[M3X_2.0]

From my reading of his page, Calamity needs a target that is "pursuing" in order to activate it's Logic manipulation. No target means Calamity has nothing to direct its effects to.

If Gojo thinks about harming Tooru or doing anything with harmful intent, he becomes a target.

 

[Armorchompy]

It's on when he sleeps (24/7) and its utilization in general is a subconscious action.

got it

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Gojo is here under the pretense that he's fighting someone so he is absolutely a target for Calamity

 

[Dr._whiteee]

If Gojo thinks about harming Tooru or doing anything with harmful intent, he becomes a target.

I know how the power works in that way, I'm saying that this won't happen if he's behind infinity and the scope of Tooru's powers don't cover what infinity is. His laws have no sway over the infinity dimension.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Just a thought

Can Gojo even kill WoU?

 

[M3X_2.0]

His laws have no sway over the infinity dimension.

This is actually interesting to debate.

 

[Lynieryz]

I know how the power works in that way, I'm saying that this won't happen if he's behind infinity and the scope of Tooru's powers don't cover what infinity is. His laws have no sway over the infinity dimension.

WoU does not need to interact with the Infinite but with what the Infinite lets pass through it, and we have already seen that WoU's failure to target the enemy[Go Beyond] only influences the defensive use of WoU.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

WoU does not need to interact with the Infinite but with what the Infinite lets pass through it, and we have already seen that WoU's failure to target the enemy[Go Beyond] only influences the defensive use of WoU.

You aren't understanding my point. Calamity only starts making those lethal effects after once it has identified a sentient being it marks as a "pursuer". With Gojo starting off in his infinity dimension, Tooru would have to bypass infinity in order to target Gojo with its ability and kick off the activation of calamity. I haven't seen any evidence suggesting this would be the case.

This being particularly relevant given the conceptual target mechanisms behind jujutsu in general.

 

[Lynieryz]

You aren't understanding my point. Calamity only starts making those lethal effects after once it has identified a sentient being it marks as a "pursuer". With Gojo starting off in his infinity dimension, Tooru would have to bypass infinity in order to target Gojo with its ability and kick off the activation of calamity. I haven't seen any evidence suggesting this would be the case.

This being particularly relevant given the conceptual target mechanisms behind jujutsu in general.

WoU does not need to interact with the Infinite but with what the Infinite lets pass through it, and we have already seen that WoU's failure to target the enemy[Go Beyond] only influences the defensive use of WoU.

You just repeated what you already said, WoU doesn't need a target, Go Beyond's bubbles[Non-existent; unable to be a target] would kill Tooru and in response WoU removed Josuke's ability to control them.

Limited Nonexistent Physiology (Go Beyond is comprised of cords infinitely thin to where they no longer exist[22][23][24][25]), Energy Manipulation (Exists only as a[22][23][24][25] Spin), Durability Negation, Non-Physical Interaction (Capable of interacting with Stands and ghosts and most notably, destroyed[22] Wonder of U who is the Calamity itself), Invisibility (An invisible sphere that can't be seen due to not truly existing and as such can't be seen, even by Stands[17][26][24][25][27]), Intangibility (Can selective choose what to interact with[25][22]), Resistance to Logic Manipulation (Exists only as "Spin" that surpasses the logic of the world and calamity[17][22][24][25][26]),

 

[Dr._whiteee]

You just repeated what you already said, WoU doesn't need a target, Go Beyond's bubbles[Non-existent; unable to be a target] would kill Tooru and in response WoU removed Josuke's ability to control them.

Yeah and you still don't actually understand what I'm arguing so clearly it wasn't of much help.

WoU does need a target and your example didn't prove anything. WOU removed them by targeting Josuke, who is not non-existent or being protected by a conceptual barrier. Gojo is, and thus we are back at square one with WOU needing to bypass infinity to kick-start calamity.