Strongest Man in history vs. Strongest Sorcerer in History (Sukuna vs Adam) (10-2-1) (GRACE)

[Anonymous_Learner]

The post that started it all (plus, it's a bit thematic that Sukuna is fighting a being with holy ablities since he's the fallen and has fought a person with holy ablities)

Speed is equalized
Time: Night
Fight takes place in the Hellaverse Hell's Pride Ring, near the Hazbin Hotel
Distance: 75 Meters
Adam is flying in the sky
Possible Soul Manipulation Sukuna Granted

15F Sukuna (Yuji's body) will be used
Attack Potency: Greatly Upscales 7.39 Kilotons, higher with shrine, far higher with Malevolent Shrine, 487.05783 Kilotons with Divine Flames
Durability: Greatly Upscales 7.39 Kilotons
Lifting Strength: >2,432,389.359 Metric Tons
IQ: Genius

Adam
Attack Potency: Greatly Upscales 44.91 Kilotons of TNT
Durability: Greatly Upscales 44.91 Kilotons of TNT
Lifting Strength: Greatly Upscales 1048.706 Metric Tons
IQ: Average in general, Above Average in combat

The Fallen: @Bimbitesthedust, @Anonymous_Learner, @Ms.Luzifer, @Buraqibear, @Mapl3Sy4up, @Keshirou, @Robo432343< @GodzillavsRayquaza, @Flowerguy2, @Pyro9278
The Archangel: @Arkenis, @GodEarh206
Both are Gojo Victims (Incon): @MrTayman616

Facts;
Sukuna has Shrine attacks that are faster than him and are invisible to a layered degree, AoE Danmaku Spam, far smarter, can hop off air, has a 2319.42x LS difference, Divine Flame INCINERATES Adam, and can do all sorts of tomfoolery with Cursed Energy
Adam has a 6.07x AP/Dura Difference negates low-high regen and power nulls with his beams, can spam holy light beams, can teleport, can fly, has type 2 Immo, can regen to a mid-low degree, can take Sukuna's domain out the picture with a beam (Sukuna needs two hands to do domain in this key), and his beams (and other ablities, ig) have kilometers in range

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

what can Adam even do

 

[Buraqibear]

Sukuna FRB

 

[Mythic381]

Literally no reason to do this, everyone knows the outcome and it's not getting added.

 

[MrTayman616]

I think Sukuna wi-

Both are Gojo Victims (Incon):

Voting Incon.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Adam when he has to fight the king of curses (He's cooked gng )

Anyway to explain more into detail.

Sukuna Advantages

• General Curse Energy passives such as Curse Manipulation and Pain Manipulation put Adam on a time limit once he's been hit, which is likely cause Adam jobs
• 3.65x A.P gap with it going higher via Shrine and stuff like Fuga being a oneshot easily, additionally negates durability with WCS
• LS Tears Adam so if Adam goes into CQC he can get ripped into a million pieces
• possible soul manip via shrine
• better hands overall (no debate Sukuna has better showings and stuff when it comes to CQC in comparison to Adam)
• Has many ways to amp stats
• Domain can **** Adam up w slashes n Fuga
• Has the mobility to blast towards Adam to deal with flight

Adam Advantages

• Has Better mobility via Flight and Teleportation so he could dip out of domain unless theres something against his tp
• might lock in because of Sukunas fear manip
• Holy beams **** with Sukuna
• Guitar axe might be better than Kamutoke idk

Sukuna probably wins this unless Adam gets a free shot w holy beams but considering Sukuna fought someone with the ability to shoot holy beams that purify n shit Ion think bro would want to stand there and tank it

This like Sukuna vs Jogo Pt2

 

[Electronic74947]

Couldn’t sukuna just hit Adam with a dismantle and be done with it? We see against people like haruma he doesn't even need to use handsigns for it


Also the "holy beams" might just be resisted by sukuna since sukuna can just reinforce his soul.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Couldn’t sukuna just hit Adam with a dismantle and be done with it? We see against people like haruma he doesn't even need to use handsigns for it


Also the "holy beams" might just be resisted by sukuna since sukuna can just reinforce his soul.

Sukuna using his energy projection and forcefield creation via shrine to skateboard grind through Adam's holy beams and hitting a point blank cleave to the head

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Make it Sukuna 16 fingered

"my imgs don't work, so imagine the black and white Goku img I sent earlier"

 

[Epiccheev]

Sukuna does some **** acting to seduce Adam and then goes freakuna on him. A.k.a he gets Hana'd.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

as expected, TF Sukuna DESTROYS Adam so it's been changed to 15F Yujikuna (The best Sukuna)

 

[Arkenis]

Bro linked every calc but not the profiles (where the calcs are)

Anyway, I'm not really convinced Sukuna can handle the regen neg. You can put me down for Adam

 

[Arkenis]

Hang on, how does Sukuna even interact with him if Adam's made of light?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Hang on, how does Sukuna even interact with him if Adam's made of light?

CE NPI.
Other wise, Adam isn't like intangible (at least, when he's not a holagram but only does that when he's in heaven), he just has inorganic physiology

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Couldn’t sukuna just hit Adam with a dismantle and be done with it? We see against people like haruma he doesn't even need to use handsigns for it


Also the "holy beams" might just be resisted by sukuna since sukuna can just reinforce his soul.

the distance is so that didn't happen (At least, when Sukuna was TF.)
Sukuna my have tens of meters of range but, as far as I know, his dismantles haven't shown to have hit someone from 75M away

 

[Arkenis]

CE NPI.
Other wise, Adam isn't like intangible (at least, when he's not a holagram but only does that when he's in heaven), he just has inorganic physiology

That isn't how it works. CE npi doesn't cover interacting with everything, especially not light. And the statement is pretty blatantly saying angels are beings of pure light, where's it stated that's only for hologram?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Anyway, I'm not really convinced Sukuna can handle the regen neg. You can put me down for Adam

For the record, Adam’s pretty terrible at fighting since 99% of the time he’s up against fodder who can’t even scratch him.
He doesn’t even open with his beams either, he really just throws hands/swings his guitar and only resorts to those when he starts losing.

Hang on, how does Sukuna even interact with him if Adam's made of light?

It’s tangible light. Functionally, it just means he bleeds golden blood.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

And the statement is pretty blatantly saying angels are beings of pure light, where's it stated that's only for hologram?

Here's one of the those angels of pure light almost dying to rubble.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

That isn't how it works. CE npi doesn't cover interacting with everything, especially not light. And the statement is pretty blatantly saying angels are beings of pure light, where's it stated that's only for hologram?

I'm saying the intangibility is ONLY for when he's a hologram, sorry for the confusion.

 

[Arkenis]

It’s tangible light. Functionally, it just means he bleeds golden blood.

Is it stated to be tangible light?

Here's one of the those angels of pure light almost dying to rubble.

Is this on Earth or in Hell and Heaven?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

following for now will comment later

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Literally no reason to do this, everyone knows the outcome and it's not getting added.

what can Adam even do

Adam when he has to fight the king of curses (He's cooked gng )

Anyway to explain more into detail.

Sukuna Advantages

• General Curse Energy passives such as Curse Manipulation and Pain Manipulation put Adam on a time limit once he's been hit, which is likely cause Adam jobs
• 3.65x A.P gap with it going higher via Shrine and stuff like Fuga being a oneshot easily, additionally negates durability with WCS
• LS Tears Adam so if Adam goes into CQC he can get ripped into a million pieces
• possible soul manip via shrine
• better hands overall (no debate Sukuna has better showings and stuff when it comes to CQC in comparison to Adam)
• Has many ways to amp stats
• Domain can **** Adam up w slashes n Fuga
• Has the mobility to blast towards Adam to deal with flight

Adam Advantages

• Has Better mobility via Flight and Teleportation so he could dip out of domain unless theres something against his tp
• might lock in because of Sukunas fear manip
• Holy beams **** with Sukuna
• Guitar axe might be better than Kamutoke idk

Sukuna probably wins this unless Adam gets a free shot w holy beams but considering Sukuna fought someone with the ability to shoot holy beams that purify n shit Ion think bro would want to stand there and tank it

This like Sukuna vs Jogo Pt2

Sukuna does some **** acting to seduce Adam and then goes freakuna on him. A.k.a he gets Hana'd.

Couldn’t sukuna just hit Adam with a dismantle and be done with it? We see against people like haruma he doesn't even need to use handsigns for it


Also the "holy beams" might just be resisted by sukuna since sukuna can just reinforce his soul.

Do ya'll have a change in votes or are gonna vote at all?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Is it stated to be tangible light?

No, but the angels we see are very clearly physical, so put two and two together, ya know?
Like there's countless scenes of them getting tossed around by, everyone? They’re not treated as intangible in the slightest.


Even regular humans can hurt them lol

Is this on Earth or in Hell and Heaven?

Hell. But this is just a regular building, there's no magic shenanigans or whatever.

 

[Arkenis]

Even regular humans can hurt them lol

That's all I needed.

 

[Mythic381]

Do ya'll have a change in votes or are gonna vote at all?

no

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

no

Adam has a 6x advantage, you sure you don't wanna vote?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Do ya'll have a change in votes or are gonna vote at all?

Gonna be back in a bit to discuss more now we using 15f Sukuna

 

[Mythic381]

Adam has a 6x advantage, you sure you don't wanna vote?

i didn't notice the change, will respond later.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Where does Adam's "Greatly Upscales" come from again? The 7-C feat is his own, it's casual but like, that doesn't really say much?
(Sukuna in comparison has a whole ɐss one-shot over the other 7-C JJK characters)

Also looking at it, Sukuna blitzes everyone he's fought (Besides Gojo) so I'm starting to doubt his skill tbh

 

[Arkenis]

(Sukuna in comparison has a whole ɐss one-shot over the other 7-C JJK characters)

That isn't saying much, 2x is usually enough to show severe damage in jjk. He's at most 2x or 3x above the Mechmaru calc.

 

[Mythic381]

Where does Adam's "Greatly Upscales" come from again? The 7-C feat is his own, it's casual but like, that doesn't really say much?
(Sukuna in comparison has a whole ɐss one-shot over the other 7-C JJK characters)

Also looking at it, Sukuna blitzes everyone he's fought (Besides Gojo) so I'm starting to doubt his skill tbh

A: He did it effortlessly with relative ease.

B: Compare it to the destruction he caused when he split the hotel. Granted there's no calculation currently, but an Adam who was punched hard by Lucifer to the point his mask broke and got knocked a lot, used both his hands for an even larger capacity of destruction.

C: Alastor is 8-A and Adam is massively above him.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

The post that started it all (plus, it's a bit thematic that Sukuna is fighting a being with holy ablities since he's the fallen and has fought a person with holy ablities)

Speed is equalized
Time: Night
Fight takes place in the Hellaverse Hell's Pride Ring, near the Hazbin Hotel
Distance: 75 Meters
Adam is flying in the sky
Possible Soul Manipulation Sukuna Granted

15F Sukuna (Yuji's body) will be used
Attack Potency: Greatly Upscales 7.39 Kilotons, higher with shrine, far higher with Malevolent Shrine, 487.05783 Kilotons with Divine Flames
Durability: Greatly Upscales 7.39 Kilotons
Lifting Strength: >2,432,389.359 Metric Tons
IQ: Genius

Adam
Attack Potency: Greatly Upscales 44.91 Kilotons of TNT
Durability: Greatly Upscales 44.91 Kilotons of TNT
Lifting Strength: Greatly Upscales 1048.706 Metric Tons
IQ: Average in general, Above Average in combat

The Fallen:
The Archangel: @Arkenis
Both are Gojo Victims (Incon): @MrTayman616

Facts;
Sukuna has Shrine attacks that are faster than him and are invisible to a layered degree, AoE Danmaku Spam, far smarter, can hop off air, has a 2319.42x LS difference, Divine Flame INCINERATES Adam, and can do all sorts of tomfoolery with Cursed Energy
Adam has a 6.07x AP/Dura Difference negates low-high regen and power nulls with his beams, can spam holy light beams, can teleport, can fly, has type 2 Immo, can regen to a mid-low degree, can take Sukuna's domain out the picture with a beam (Sukuna needs two hands to do domain in this key), and his beams (and other ablities, ig) have kilometers in range

Ok so looking at it now, Sukuna still does take it, albeit with harder diff since the 6x Ap disadvantage is there but there is some caviat

So for starters, one of Sukuna's (and JJK verse overall) best ways of fighting against other verses is the passives and abilities of CE manipulation, more specifically offensive stuff such as Curse and Pain Manip which you need a resistance to this stuff to not die overtime. a minor slash or punch will begin this time limit where Adam will feel extreme pain, weakening of body, eventual death, etc but additionally there is the fact that merely prolonged exposure to CE will erode the mind which Adam has no res to.

Additionally one thing to note is that in standard and tactics, Adam is noted as follows

"Standard Tactics: Adam generally doesn't take his opponents seriously, but is willing to throw around his weight in a physical confrontation, and after a little bit of motivation has no problem throwing around his energy attacks with either explosive power or intense area of effect. If in Heaven, Adam will usually just BFR his opponent and be done with it"

now it does seem like Adam often goes for CQC, especially if he is seemingly the stronger attacker in terms of pure physicals, that is a massively horrible idea as Sukuna should outskill pretty hard. I know someone has doubted Sukuna's skill but he generally does show better showings since he has gone on par against Gojo whos a skilled combatant in h2h and he does show a good level of H2H in moments throughout Shinjiku (obv theres also the bullying to Megumi and Jogo).

Additionally Domain and Fuga should deal with Adam pretty easily but If he can teleport around he can somewhat dodge it if he was able to witness the domain's range (which is unlikely)

Im not sure if theres rules to saying possible stuff is denied or accepted, I just simply go with the gray field and have it as an optional thing that shouldnt be considered the main deal but if so that is another good way Sukuna can kill Adam through Soul Manip. Sukuna so far has the following wincons

• Pop Domain and use Fuga to incinerate Adam (could be unlikely due to mobility but possibly soul manip could help make it easier for the king of curses to land it
• Blast around at high speeds and use Shrine danmaku and CE passives to kill Adam

Now Adam does have his beams n regen negation but from what I understand, he does start off using brute force so Sukuna can land some stuff. Additionally Soul Manip Shrine kinda ***** Adam a bit lowkey since Sukuna can command it without hand signs n shit

so votes still on 15f Sukuna

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Ok so looking at it now, Sukuna still does take it, albeit with harder diff since the 6x Ap disadvantage is there but there is some caviat

So for starters, one of Sukuna's (and JJK verse overall) best ways of fighting against other verses is the passives and abilities of CE manipulation, more specifically offensive stuff such as Curse and Pain Manip which you need a resistance to this stuff to not die overtime. a minor slash or punch will begin this time limit where Adam will feel extreme pain, weakening of body, eventual death, etc but additionally there is the fact that merely prolonged exposure to CE will erode the mind which Adam has no res to.

Additionally one thing to note is that in standard and tactics, Adam is noted as follows

"Standard Tactics: Adam generally doesn't take his opponents seriously, but is willing to throw around his weight in a physical confrontation, and after a little bit of motivation has no problem throwing around his energy attacks with either explosive power or intense area of effect. If in Heaven, Adam will usually just BFR his opponent and be done with it"

now it does seem like Adam often goes for CQC, especially if he is seemingly the stronger attacker in terms of pure physicals, that is a massively horrible idea as Sukuna should outskill pretty hard. I know someone has doubted Sukuna's skill but he generally does show better showings since he has gone on par against Gojo whos a skilled combatant in h2h and he does show a good level of H2H in moments throughout Shinjiku (obv theres also the bullying to Megumi and Jogo).

Additionally Domain and Fuga should deal with Adam pretty easily but If he can teleport around he can somewhat dodge it if he was able to witness the domain's range (which is unlikely)

Im not sure if theres rules to saying possible stuff is denied or accepted, I just simply go with the gray field and have it as an optional thing that shouldnt be considered the main deal but if so that is another good way Sukuna can kill Adam through Soul Manip. Sukuna so far has the following wincons

• Pop Domain and use Fuga to incinerate Adam (could be unlikely due to mobility but possibly soul manip could help make it easier for the king of curses to land it
• Blast around at high speeds and use Shrine danmaku and CE passives to kill Adam

Now Adam does have his beams n regen negation but from what I understand, he does start off using brute force so Sukuna can land some stuff. Additionally Soul Manip Shrine kinda ***** Adam a bit lowkey since Sukuna can command it without hand signs n shit

so votes still on 15f Sukuna

voting for this guy's reasons

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

the distance is so that didn't happen (At least, when Sukuna was TF.)
Sukuna my have tens of meters of range but, as far as I know, his dismantles haven't shown to have hit someone from 75M away

Sukuna does have the mobility to reach Adam so if his range is not enough he can blast forwards and slash

Additionally given in character, Adam could straight up just go to Sukuna

 

[Arkenis]

So for starters, one of Sukuna's (and JJK verse overall) best ways of fighting against other verses is the passives and abilities of CE manipulation, more specifically offensive stuff such as Curse and Pain Manip which you need a resistance to this stuff to not die overtime. a minor slash or punch will begin this time limit where Adam will feel extreme pain, weakening of body, eventual death, etc but additionally there is the fact that merely prolonged exposure to CE will erode the mind which Adam has no res to.

The guy is dead and inorganic phys, this just doesn't matter to him.

now it does seem like Adam often goes for CQC, especially if he is seemingly the stronger attacker in terms of pure physicals, that is a massively horrible idea as Sukuna should outskill pretty hard. I know someone has doubted Sukuna's skill but he generally does show better showings since he has gone on par against Gojo whos a skilled combatant in h2h and he does show a good level of H2H in moments throughout Shinjiku (obv theres also the bullying to Megumi and Jogo).

How does the h2h compare to the people Adam's fought?

Additionally Domain and Fuga should deal with Adam pretty easily but If he can teleport around he can somewhat dodge it if he was able to witness the domain's range (which is unlikely)

Kinda the main ways I see him winning. Just doubtful of him doing it here. Wouldn't be surprised of Sukuna to wonder what Adam is given his unique appearance and powers.

Now Adam does have his beams n regen negation but from what I understand, he does start off using brute force so Sukuna can land some stuff. Additionally Soul Manip Shrine kinda ***** Adam a bit lowkey since Sukuna can command it without hand signs n shit

Being nearly 7x stronger dismantle won't do much.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

How does the h2h compare to the people Adam's fought?

He got skilled by a mid-tier weaker than him. Adam's not outskilling Sukuna in any regard as Adam straight up sucks at fighting. Sukuna would beat the brakes off him if they were in hand to hand, minus the power difference

 

[Arkenis]

He got skilled by a mid-tier weaker than him. Adam's not outskilling Sukuna in any regard as Adam straight up sucks at fighting. Sukuna would beat the brakes off him if they were in hand to hand, minus the power difference

Adam literally won against Alastor and this was not h2h. Alastor jumped around and dodged and used some tentacles and gremlins to fight.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Adam literally won against Alastor and this was not h2h. Alastor jumped around and dodged and used some tentacles and gremlins to fight.

He swung at al and hit nothing but air, his best hands feats are hitting Charlie multiple times (who sucks at fighting) and being proficient at killing lowtiers.

 

[Arkenis]

He swung at al and hit nothing but air, his best hands feats are hitting Charlie multiple times (who sucks at fighting) and being proficient at killing lowtiers.

Okay? But what you just showed me was him winning against Alastor. Is Alastor just not good at fighting?

 

[Catbowtie]

Idk why y'all acting like Sukuna has good h2h combat