Wuthering Waves Verse Creation

[AlipheeseXIV]

Pretty simple CRT, as the title suggests it's a verse creation for Wuwa. We have 2 accepted scans for both AP & Speed, I have also created 2 explanation blogs for the verse pertaining to Resonator Physiology and Frequencies. Word of note, the stuff on verse creation is a simple place holder not indicative of the pages permanent or official state. The first profile I will be proposing is Jiyan due to the fact that most characters will more or less scale to him or upscale from him.

Secondly I'd like to address this CRT here as well, it seems like generally speaking the cosmology proposal for 2B-2A was accepted but there were little staff interactions from what I recall if that could be reiterated here that would be appreciated. For those who didn't look at that thread, the primary arguments behind 2B/2A are the following scans:

• Jue's Sonoro Sphere encompassing the beginning and end of all time
• Jue envisioning endless possibilities
• As well as Camellya's companion quests which states there are infinite timelines

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

You don't need to create crt for verse creation, only that physiology and cosmology page needs.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I guess my title kind of confused it, but it's more so a mix of everything with the physiology pages & Jiyan profile being the main things.

 

[Shiraito983]

Pretty simple CRT, as the title suggests it's a verse creation for Wuwa. We have 2 accepted scans for both AP & Speed, I have also created 2 explanation blogs for the verse pertaining to Resonator Physiology and Frequencies. Word of note, the stuff on verse creation is a simple place holder not indicative of the pages permanent or official state. The first profile I will be proposing is Jiyan due to the fact that most characters will more or less scale to him or upscale from him.

Secondly I'd like to address this CRT here as well, it seems like generally speaking the cosmology proposal for 2B-2A was accepted but there were little staff interactions from what I recall if that could be reiterated here that would be appreciated. For those who didn't look at that thread, the primary arguments behind 2B/2A are the following scans:

• Jue's Sonoro Sphere encompassing the beginning and end of all time
• Jue envisioning endless possibilities
• As well as Camellya's companion quests which states there are infinite timelines

finallly

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

You don't need to create crt for verse creation, only that physiology and cosmology page needs.

Would you be able to notify other staff to get this evaluated?

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Would you be able to notify other staff to get this evaluated?

Sure, I am not really sure if they will reply here anytime soon.

@LordGriffin1000, @Reiner04, @Celestial_Pegasus, @Dalesean027, @DarkDragonMedeus

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[TWILIGHT-OP]

Let's have some fresh Ones evaluate it. Mind helping us here plz.
@Imaginym, @Godernet, @Vietthai96

 

[Vietthai96]

Let's have some fresh Ones evaluate it. Mind helping us here plz.
@Imaginym, @Godernet, @Vietthai96

will look into this tomorrow; i need to sleep now and there are work after i wake up too

 

[Imaginym]

Let's have some fresh Ones evaluate it. Mind helping us here plz.
@Imaginym, @Godernet, @Vietthai96

I am not familiar with this verse, but I skimmed the Resonator Physiology & Frequencies pages.
The calculations seem approved.

I found no issue, for what that's worth, given that I am not that knowledgeable. If that is basis enough that my stance should be considered as tentative approval, so be it, though if there are any other concerns or points of contention, I should likely need to become aware of them in the event(s) they may be cause to alter my stance.

 

[Godernet]

The Verse Page looks good.

Same for the Jiyan profile, as the calcs for it were already accepted.

The Physiology pages look good as well, although I will say as somewhat of a Wuwa casual...

Supernatural Luck (Sentinels and their Resonators are blessed with fortune, to the point where merely staying close to them could potentially give a person good luck)

Is there anything that implies that Jue and Jinhsi's Supernatural Luck is an effect that all resonators of a sentinel share indiscriminately?

Resonator abilities for the most part seem to be unique from person to person, so while Jinhsi has good luck bc of Jue, that doesn't have to mean Imperator or another Sentinel would have the ability to give its Resonators good luck as well.

Other than that small thing, I agree.

Edit: Oh, and as far as the arguments for Tier 2 pertaining to the other thread that you mentioned, I'd recommend bumping it rather than condensing its arguments here so that this thread can be more focused on everything else you've proposed, and the thread already dedicated to a pretty broad topic like Tier 2 can be given the isolated attention it needs.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Supernatural Luck (Sentinels and their Resonators are blessed with fortune, to the point where merely staying close to them could potentially give a person good luck)

Is there anything that implies that Jue and Jinhsi's Supernatural Luck is an effect that all resonators of a sentinel share indiscriminately?

Well Jue has no specific ability to give supernatural luck, it's entire thing is controlling time. With that in mind, the implication is moreso that it is a result of being a Sentinel Resonator rather than the specific Sentinel itself.

Edit: Oh, and as far as the arguments for Tier 2 pertaining to the other thread that you mentioned, I'd recommend bumping it rather than condensing its arguments here so that this thread can be more focused on everything else you've proposed, and the thread already dedicated to a pretty broad topic like Tier 2 can be given the isolated attention it needs.

Sure thing.

 

[Godernet]

Well Jue has no specific ability to give supernatural luck, it's entire thing is controlling time. With that in mind, the implication is moreso that it is a result of being a Sentinel Resonator rather than the specific Sentinel itself.

I agree that it doesn't explicitly say it's a Jue specific ability, but the ability isn't really defined as a broader Sentinel ability either.

With that in mind, since the statement only really mentions Jue and Jinhsi, it is a small assumption to say that an undefined lesser ability that Jue showed should extend to every sentinel and every Sentinel's Resonator.

If other staff have different thoughts, it's not a hill I'll die on or anything but I do think with what we're given it should be Jue specific or at most a possibly rating for the other Sentinels/Resonators.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I agree that it doesn't explicitly say it's a Jue specific ability, but the ability isn't really defined as a broader Sentinel ability either.

With that in mind, since the statement only really mentions Jue and Jinhsi, it is a small assumption to say that an undefined lesser ability that Jue showed should extend to every sentinel and every Sentinel's Resonator.

If other staff have different thoughts, it's not a hill I'll die on or anything but I do think with what we're given it should be Jue specific or at most a possibly rating for the other Sentinels/Resonators.

Not that big of a deal, I'll just remove it.

 

[Vietthai96]

This is a lot lol

Longevity & Pain Endurance (Resonators have much higher endurance for pain and longer lifespans than the average person)

Longevity is fine, but Pain Endurance must be removed, since it was decided in the past that the ability to enduring pain is attributed to stamina instead of being an ability. It only be listed as ability in extreme special cases

Reality Warping, Physics Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2; In Solaris-3, frequencies serve as a crucial tool for uncovering the truth about reality. By altering these frequencies, one can delve into the very core of existence)

RW is fine, but i disagree with CM2, frequencies serve as a tool for uncovering truth about reality and delve into the very core of existence =/= it being the truth and core of existence, which at least could qualify for frequencies being conceptual, also delve to the very core of existemce and uncovering the truth is kinda vague ngl

Also why Physics hax?

Information Manipulation (Type 2), Energy Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Macro-Quantum) & Sound Manipulation (The Waveworn Phenomena is believed to alter matter, information, and energy by converting them into vibrating "frequencies", referred to as "Reverberations")

Matter hax is Quantum i believe, but Info should be Type 1, there is no proof that these information underlying reality, objects, etc...

Elemental Manipulation & Non-Physical Interaction (Emotions, Memories, Spirits/Souls, Data, Minds, Elements & Information [Type 2]; Frequencies are able to interact with emotions & memories, with Rover telling Cartethyia that when frequencies are concentrated in one place it's possible that their Reverberations could still carry traces of human will. With him having seen two friends reconcile with each other even though one was already dead. Spirits/souls, shown with both the previous scan and Cantarella's Story Quest. Data, shown through the Tethys system who's core is composed entirely of Remnant Energy and Sonoro Spheres. As well as the six attributes present within the game)

Like above, Info should be type 1, pretty much Shorekeeper scan said pre-loading informational data will make the target gain cognitive abilities, that is just info 1 as it carry knowledge, memories and other related thing. Info 2 require it to be fundamental underlying information that can dictate physical reality, objects, persons, etc....

Abstract Existence (Type 1; Frequencies can take form of abstract concepts such as emotions<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AlipheeseXIV/Frequencies_(Wuthering_Waves)#cite_note-9"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a>, spirits<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AlipheeseXIV/Frequencies_(Wuthering_Waves)#cite_note-10"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a>, shadows<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AlipheeseXIV/Frequencies_(Wuthering_Waves)#cite_note-11"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a> & even remnant energy<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AlipheeseXIV/Frequencies_(Wuthering_Waves)#cite_note-12"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a> which forms sonoro spheres<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AlipheeseXIV/Frequencies_(Wuthering_Waves)#cite_note-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)

You should remove the abstract concepts in the justification, because no where in the scan said that, and emotion itself while abstract isn't a concept by default.

Also from what the verse told us, it seem like memories, emotion and will in the verse is made up by information, and this kind of info is type 1, which idk if it qualify for being abstract, but you are guarantee with Incorporeality

Well for now that it, if i have time i will evaluate other parts

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Longevity is fine, but Pain Endurance must be removed, since it was decided in the past that the ability to enduring pain is attributed to stamina instead of being an ability. It only be listed as ability in extreme special cases

Sure thing but I'm curious, how come it isn't an inherent ability? There are plenty of characters in fiction who have pain endurance not directly linked to their stamina kinda figured it'd be it's own ability with that in mind.

RW is fine, but i disagree with CM2, frequencies serve as a tool for uncovering truth about reality and delve into the very core of existence =/= it being the truth and core of existence, which at least could qualify for frequencies being conceptual, also delve to the very core of existemce and uncovering the truth is kinda vague ngl

Also why Physics hax?


Matter hax is Quantum i believe, but Info should be Type 1, there is no proof that these information underlying reality, objects, etc...


Like above, Info should be type 1, pretty much Shorekeeper scan said pre-loading informational data will make the target gain cognitive abilities, that is just info 1 as it carry knowledge, memories and other related thing. Info 2 require it to be fundamental underlying information that can dictate physical reality, objects, persons, etc....

Not exactly, Shorekeeper is composed entirely of high-purity remnant energy, which is a form of pure energy with complete frequencies with the information it carries transcending time and space. Remnant energy is also able to form Sonoro's, which are transdimensional spaces. So I am clear, a transdimensional space is a conceptual or hypothetical region that exists beyond our usual three spatial dimensions and the dimension of time, or between multiple dimensions.

Furthermore, a character by the name of Cristaforo is able to weave fate and stories, capable of creating a realm of stories with it's own day and night cycle. Which he did by rewriting reality itself, he's also able to manipulate reality within the Sonoro, erasing people's existence within it, swapping their "roles" and was even going to overlay the Sonoro onto reality itself. So, not only does it have it's own space-time but Sonoro's also have their own physical laws as well. Also, it is verbatim stated everything is made of frequencies.

I know this stuff wasn't listed on the page, and I do apologize for that oversight on my part. I have been busy both on and off site, not to mention back when I made the frequency page it was before some of these things got introduced in the story so some of these scans literally didn't even exist. I also haven't gone back to look at it in some time, I'll be sure to add all these as relevant scans.

You should remove the abstract concepts in the justification, because no where in the scan said that, and emotion itself while abstract isn't a concept by default.

Yeah I made a mistake with the wording, my bad.

Also from what the verse told us, it seem like memories, emotion and will in the verse is made up by information, and this kind of info is type 1, which idk if it qualify for being abstract, but you are guarantee with Incorporeality

I don't see how it wouldn't qualify as a form of AE when it is embodying an abstraction.

 

[Shiraito983]

TWILIGHT-OP/Wuthering waves

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[TWILIGHT-OP]

TWILIGHT-OP/Wuthering waves

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Why linking my sandbox?

 

[Zaratthustra]

While concept manipulation may not be a sure yet, Information likely is the structure of the reality by how its been using frequencies till now and how the characters are classified (not english translation which is an abreviation that they used to simplify the "magic system"). Ex:
Aero气动Pneumatic
Electro导电Conductive
Glacio冷凝Condensation
Fusion热熔Thermal
Spectro衍射Diffraction
Havoc湮灭Annihilation.

Those are how they are applied on the manipulation of frequencies in the verse which results in different phenomena. To me, its follows a more scientific system with Wuxia/Xianxia elements thrown within.

Well, i'll look these days over the pages, but will likely try to ignore some spoilers (Impossible likely as I chose to look on such a thread), as I'm new to the game (at Mt. Firmament rn - Jinshi's questline). I've been exploring and fighting more than doing main quests in ~35h that I have.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Agree here

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Agree here

 

[Omazio2019]

Ok so I looked into the conversation of Camellya, she said that all paths/possibilities will eventually converged, leaving only the universe where they meet behind. With this, I'll stay at neutral/leaning disagree with 2-B/2-A unless there is something proven her statement was incorrect.

 

[Weaver261]

Ok so I looked into the conversation of Camellya, she said that all paths/possibilities will eventually converged, leaving only the universe where they meet behind. With this, I'll stay at neutral/leaning disagree with 2-B/2-A unless there is something proven her statement was incorrect.

Camellya saying only this universe exist is meant to be a poetic language rather than literal language. Because that's what she wants to believe in highlighting the word "must".
Also Necrostar aka Black Hole is capable of sending people to another dimension (universe) by warping the fabric of space and time. Rover also traveled to multiple realms in search of solution for Lament. But this thread isn't the place to talk about this topic. We have a seperate thread for that.

 

[Omazio2019]

Camellya saying only this universe exist is meant to be a poetic language rather than literal language. Because that's what she wants to believe in highlighting the word "must".
Also Necrostar aka Black Hole is capable of sending people to another dimension (universe) by warping the fabric of space and time. Rover also traveled to multiple realms in search of solution for Lament. But this thread isn't the place to talk about this topic. We have a seperate thread for that.

Is there anything suggest this "dimension" is a universe branching out from countless/infinite possibilities exist?

 

[Vietthai96]

Sure thing but I'm curious, how come it isn't an inherent ability? There are plenty of characters in fiction who have pain endurance not directly linked to their stamina kinda figured it'd be it's own ability with that in mind.

standard thing, I guess

Not exactly, Shorekeeper is composed entirely of high-purity remnant energy, which is a form of pure energy with complete frequencies with the information it carries transcending time and space.

transcend time and space just means that information isn't bound by time and space and can move freely across them; this is a usual thing in fiction and hardly proves it to be fundamental information. At best it is a proof for the range of the information

So I am clear, a transdimensional space is a conceptual or hypothetical region that exists beyond our usual three spatial dimensions and the dimension of time, or between multiple dimensions.

No, it is conceptual as in nominalism concept, a mental construct, hypothesis, or idea rather than a literal underlying concept that dictates something in physical reality; it is nothing in a vacuum. Like, the reason it is conceptual in your link to Google is because transdimensional in our real life is just a concept or hypothesis rather than something factual. it is different in fiction, however, since in fiction, author can make all kinds of stuff be factual in their universes

Furthermore, a character by the name of Cristaforo is able to weave fate and stories, capable of creating a realm of stories with it's own day and night cycle. Which he did by rewriting reality itself, he's also able to manipulate reality within the Sonoro, erasing people's existence within it, swapping their "roles" and was even going to overlay the Sonoro onto reality itself. So, not only does it have it's own space-time but Sonoro's also have their own physical laws as well. Also, it is verbatim stated everything is made of frequencies.

it could help Info 2 argument, but not CM though. But i will wait on other staffs' opinion first before giving my own

I don't see how it wouldn't qualify as a form of AE when it is embodying an abstraction.

i don't remember being pure Info 1 gonna get you AE1, since Info 1 isn't something abstract, but you could ask other mods on this

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Those are how they are applied on the manipulation of frequencies in the verse which results in different phenomena. To me, its follows a more scientific system with Wuxia/Xianxia elements thrown within.

Oh really? That's interesting, I had no idea.

Well, i'll look these days over the pages, but will likely try to ignore some spoilers (Impossible likely as I chose to look on such a thread), as I'm new to the game (at Mt. Firmament rn - Jinshi's questline). I've been exploring and fighting more than doing main quests in ~35h that I have.

Ah man, yeah you're a bit behind definitely take your time reading it. Hope you're enjoying the game though.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

transcend time and space just means that information isn't bound by time and space and can move freely across them; this is a usual thing in fiction and hardly proves it to be fundamental information. At best it is a proof for the range of the information

No, it is conceptual as in nominalism concept, a mental construct, hypothesis, or idea rather than a literal underlying concept that dictates something in physical reality; it is nothing in a vacuum. Like, the reason it is conceptual in your link to Google is because transdimensional in our real life is just a concept or hypothesis rather than something factual. it is different in fiction, however, since in fiction, author can make all kinds of stuff be factual in their universes

I think you misunderstood, I know that. My intent was never to use the real world link to argue it being conceptual in nature. The point was to highlight the meaning of transdimensional space, which is a form of support in proving it's type 2 info. As Sonoro spheres and everything in them as I linked above are completely formed by remnant energy, and the remnant energy completely shapes all of reality within said space using the information it carries.

it could help Info 2 argument, but not CM though. But i will wait on other staffs' opinion first before giving my own

That's fine, unless I was mistaken, CM 2 is given to characters who have control over lesser concepts than the dominating one's of CM 1. Able to control things that don't wholly end up influencing the entire reality under the concepts area of influence, such as Ichibei from Bleach manipulating the concept of darkness. In a similar fashion, frequencies are able to manipulate these concepts outright however only in their area of influence (Sonoro's). I thought it'd be logical to denote CM 2 as a result, but yes let's wait for more staff's opinions.

i don't remember being pure Info 1 gonna get you AE1, since Info 1 isn't something abstract, but you could ask other mods on this

Well that's under the assumption it's pure info 1, also that wasn't really what I was arguing. I'm arguing that they'd gain AE1 due to embodying abstractions like emotions, thoughts, human will, spirits/souls, etc. I am pretty confident they'd at least qualify given that some of the abstractions I just listed are literally example cases on the AE page.

 

[Vietthai96]

I think you misunderstood, I know that. My intent was never to use the real world link to argue it being conceptual in nature. The point was to highlight the meaning of transdimensional space, which is a form of support in proving it's type 2 info. As Sonoro spheres and everything in them as I linked above are completely formed by remnant energy, and the remnant energy completely shapes all of reality within said space using the information it carries.

transcend time and space or transdimensional stuffs can't support your arguments for CM1 or Info 2 in any shape and form, because they are completely unrelated stuffs

such as Ichibei from Bleach manipulating the concept of darkness

Ichibei manipulate concept of Blackness iirc, and it was a completely different thing

Well that's under the assumption it's pure info 1, also that wasn't really what I was arguing. I'm arguing that they'd gain AE1 due to embodying abstractions like emotions, thoughts, human will, spirits/souls, etc. I am pretty confident they'd at least qualify given that some of the abstractions I just listed are literally example cases on the AE page.

normally, emotion, thoughts and will is abstract, but from the contexts of the verse, it isn't, since it was based on informational data, from Shorekeeper scan

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

transcend time and space or transdimensional stuffs can't support your arguments for CM1 or Info 2 in any shape and form, because they are completely unrelated stuffs

How are they unrelated if the transdimensional space created is literally formed by the "unrelated" stuff in question?

Ichibei manipulate concept of Blackness iirc, and it was a completely different thing

Wasn't meant to be a 1:1 comparison, just a general example of another case wherein a character was accepted to have that level of CM as a result of controlling a lesser concept with limited range. So that's fine.

normally, emotion, thoughts and will is abstract, but from the contexts of the verse, it isn't, since it was based on informational data, from Shorekeeper scan

What verse context are you referring to? I think you're focusing a little too much on the Shorekeeper scan, I never actually used the Shorekeeper scan itself to support the AE. The AE support literally comes from these abstractions themselves not the Shorekeeper scan at all, though it is in of itself a form of support.
It's directly stated that when frequencies are concentrated in a single place, it's possible their reverberations can still carry traces of human will with Rover even saying that he once saw a friend reconcile with a dead friend inside of a Sonoro precisely because of this fact which is in fact it's own quest. Furthermore spirits/souls are literally made of frequencies (everything is as I have already shown), the people who underwent the Fisalia families trials were also able to use their emotions to form a Sonoro.

A Sonoro was able to instantly draw out Carlotta's memories, experiences, and even passing thoughts to create itself. With Carlotta's Mirror Self being a product of Carlotta's own memories, desires and fantasies, who is able to turn the Sonoro into her domain, this is literally all textbook definition of abstractions which is the ability to "embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it". Officially taken from the AE page itself, we also have even more support in the same quest here wherein Carlotta who can erase the existence of frequencies, is unable to directly kill Mirror Carlotta as a result of the Sonoro. Which perfectly fits in line with AE1 that directly states the following:

"Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars."

 

[Voidnether]

I honestly think Concept Manipulation and Abstract Existence related stuff might be pushing it, we don't want another Genshin 2.0 scenario where it became a controversial verse that needs 3 staff votes cause of those two abilities I've mentioned earlier tbh (And a lot more, but Rover being Tier 1/2 is the equivalent of Genshin's 4-A anyway in the end)

 

[Zaratthustra]

Agree with Voidnether, just wait for more backing and concise information, the game will only just get stronger with each patch (looking at Qiuyuan who looks the most like a Xianxia/Wuxia character till now), someone said he likely is inspired by a xianxia mc but who know how true the leak is.

Lets not repeat Genshin or Tokyo Revengers or other series that got on the bad side of the users and have difficulty with its verse creation.

PS. If he is inspired by a xianxia mc I call dibs on his profile.

 

[Voidnether]

Agree with Voidnether, just wait for more backing and concise information, the game will only just get stronger with each patch (looking at Qiuyuan who looks the most like a Xianxia/Wuxia character till now), someone said he likely is inspired by a xianxia mc but who know how true the leak is.

Lets not repeat Genshin or Tokyo Revengers or other series that got on the bad side of the users and have difficulty with its verse creation.

PS. If he is inspired by a xianxia mc I call dibs on his profile.

Might be off topic but dang Qiuyuan's design is actually nice knowing it has been ages since Brant was released, I just hope like we would actually get a good feat off New Federation (Futuristic technology like Endfield trust). If New Federation is just GTA like NTE on the other hand tho, that's still peak tbh. I genuinely had high hopes idk why (Copium from waiting NTE and Endfield to release)

 

[Vietthai96]

Me playing WuWa on Youtube

 

[Voidnether]

WuWa with their optimization issues are so cooked

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Agree with Voidnether, just wait for more backing and concise information, the game will only just get stronger with each patch (looking at Qiuyuan who looks the most like a Xianxia/Wuxia character till now), someone said he likely is inspired by a xianxia mc but who know how true the leak is.

Lets not repeat Genshin or Tokyo Revengers or other series that got on the bad side of the users and have difficulty with its verse creation.

PS. If he is inspired by a xianxia mc I call dibs on his profile.

The CM was removed but I don't agree with the very blatant case of AE, I mean these are literal abstractions that are on the page itself as example abstractions. Even more so they behave just as indicated, but.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So, the tally so far?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Will have to see after a reply, I don't believe a formal consensus has been reached.

 

[Shiraito983]

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