Wuthering Waves: What is the multiverse level+!???

[Vietthai96]

n the Black Coast Greenhouse, Tsubaki quietly gazes at the plants swaying silently.
In the depths of the starry sea, countless possibilities of innumerable worlds intertwine, diverge, and break apart.
At the end of fate, millions of universes all converge toward the same kind of end.

This sound like they are intersect with each others, which is anti-feat against 2-B since you need separate space-time, timelines that goes parallel with each other until the end, never intersect

 

[GDS2]

This sound like they are intersect with each others, which is anti-feat against 2-B since you need separate space-time, timelines that goes parallel with each other until the end, never intersect

I am pretty sure the last line of statement refers to Rover reuniting with Camelltya in all millions of universes, not that these timeline intersect.

 

[SweetDao]

This sound like they are intersect with each others, which is anti-feat against 2-B since you need separate space-time, timelines that goes parallel with each other until the end, never intersect

it is in reference to how the Stellar Matrices are stars in the sky (the code basically).

Finn: "Let's see... ‘According to the observations, the collision of the Stellar Matrices suggests the conflict and mutual exclusion between the logic of the computational models... The outer rings of the Matrices have overlapped, suggesting a code exchange and duplication between the two models... Each Matrix represents a vast and complete set of computing logic, and their orbital changes symbolize the execution of codes... In other words, the Stellar Matrices are observable high-dimensional codes’... It's neatly written. Are you a new Bloom Bearer?"

Black Shores Researcher: “The Data Torrent connecting all the Nexus on this planet continuously transfers information about abnormal fluctuations caused by the Lament and Waveworn back to celestial bodies. These bodies, programmed with high-dimensional code, are known as Stellar Matrices. Each one functions as a self-evolving supercomputing model. In the underground area, you can observe how these Matrices evolve through cycles of collision, merging, and destruction. The Shorekeeper can adjust their orbits by playing the Modulation Piano.”

 

[Vietthai96]

This is even more confusing. How Stellar Matrices related to the universes?

 

[SweetDao]

This is even more confusing. How Stellar Matrices related to the universes?

Basically, Tethys is a big ass computer. It records everything that happens, be it in the past, present or future. (Although for the future, it should be more accurate to say that it predict what will happen)

Because the data are enormous, they are "stored" inside a "file" that is called a "Stellar Matrix", which is represented by a star in a virtual sky. Each of those stars is its own set of data, which operate on different computational logic.

For example, during Camellya's quest (where the statement of millions of universe was declared), they used the Stellar Matrix that contained her life to create a Sonoro Sphere (Space, basically) that showed her all the possibilities that could've happened. (One where she dies early, one where something else happened at X point in time...).

During this quest, you jump from "different world" within the Stellar Matrice. From the one where she dies early, to another one, etc.

So basically, imagine there is a Stellar Matrix of your life, you can create a space using the Sandbox to make that data "real" and enter that specific space in which you could see many different variations of what your life could've been.

 

[Furina003]

In the CN it's translated as such:

I think the millions mentioned there are simply possibilities from the universe, but the results only serve one purpose and ultimately result in the same thing.

It's like a supercomputer capable of generating countless possibilities, but these possibilities exist only to reach one conclusion or result.

 

[SweetDao]

I think the millions mentioned there are simply possibilities from the universe, but the results only serve one purpose and ultimately result in the same thing.

It's like a supercomputer capable of generating countless possibilities, but these possibilities exist only to reach one conclusion or result.

That is plausible, but that doesn't change the fact that within a Stellar Matrix, all those possibilities are in fact actual?

 

[Furina003]

That is plausible, but that doesn't change the fact that within a Stellar Matrice, all those possibilities are in fact actual?

Honestly, what makes us think that a possibility that hasn't been realized, or a possibility that exists in a supercomputer, is a real world?
I don't understand this part, but from the scans I've seen, it's likely just data that can born and disappear .

 

[SweetDao]

Honestly, what makes us think that a possibility that hasn't been realized, or a possibility that exists in a supercomputer, is a real world?

Because... they enter a Sonoro Sphere, with their physical body and can die, take damage and such? I'm not saying that the "data" itself is a real world, I'm saying the data projected AND actual, within a Sonoro Sphere, is.

 

[IStar0thh]

Honestly, what makes us think that a possibility that hasn't been realized, or a possibility that exists in a supercomputer, is a real world?
I don't understand this part, but from the scans I've seen, it's likely just data that can born and disappear .

You can literally interact with all of this in the quest. Tethys makes all of this physically manifest.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

let's just wait for the 2-B

If it's downgraded to 2B I don't mind Tbh.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I'd like to also point out that Sonoro Spheres are already proven to be separate spacetimes, but there is the fact that Tethys data is able to intersect with reality and even invade it and converge on the real worlds spacetime, with these events being complete outliers and supporting them being separate spacetimes as it literally says "Event A in this spacetime could become an absolute outlier in event O, severing the casual connection between the two." I think with this we can at least go back to the topic of the downgrade? I'm not sure why we're trying to invalidate the fact that each of these would have to be L2C spacetimes?

 

[Vietthai96]

Because... they enter a Sonoro Sphere, with their physical body and can die, take damage and such? I'm not saying that the "data" itself is a real world, I'm saying the data projected AND actual, within a Sonoro Sphere, is.

But can they manifest all of these possibilities at once? or one at a time?, because the statement about born and fading isn't a great thing for 2-B

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

But can they manifest all of these possibilities at once? or one at a time?, because the statement about born and fading isn't a great thing for 2-B

It's referring to data specific to the stellar matrices made for Camellya here.

 

[SweetDao]

But can they manifest all of these possibilities at once? or one at a time?, because the statement about born and fading isn't a great thing for 2-B

This is a good question, I'm not sure, but assuming the "millions of universes" were refering to her AND if we take that scan into account, 2-B should be fine me think.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

There's more support for it, then against it. It ain't good, but it isn't really referring to spacetime as a whole.

 

[Vietthai96]

To be 2-B, all these millions of universes/possibilities need to simultaneously physically exist. They exists as data in the Matrix, which is really irrelevant, because data is fundamentally not physical, do not have "mass"; characters can jump in and can do physical thing in them, which is also not really help, because Immersion is a thing in fiction

 

[IStar0thh]

But can they manifest all of these possibilities at once? or one at a time?, because the statement about born and fading isn't a great thing for 2-B

Also, as mentioned on the previous page, an NPC states that the Rover must find the “correct timeline,” which suggests that Tethys manifested multiple simultaneously.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

To be 2-B, all these millions of universes/possibilities need to simultaneously physically exist. They exists as data in the Matrix, which is really irrelevant, because data is fundamentally not physical, do not have "mass"; characters can jump in and can do physical thing in them, which is also not really help, because Immersion is a thing in fiction

Yeah but there's nothing to support it being immersion, that's a very massive leap in logic. I also already sent scans that shows things more clearly.

 

[SweetDao]

To be 2-B, all these millions of universes/possibilities need to simultaneously physically exist. They exists as data in the Matrix, which is really irrelevant, because data is fundamentally not physical, do not have "mass"; characters can jump in and can do physical thing in them, which is also not really help, because Immersion is a thing in fiction

it's the data that becomes reality, not the other way around.

Gliese: “Yes. It's what we do with the Infinite Reality Sandbox here at Black Shores. It projects data from the Stellar Matrix into reality. Using digital samples of the Tacet Discords, the Tethys System can analyze and predict their possible evolutionary models. But some of the models that evolved from errors are just too out-there to show. Can't have anything too hideous or messed up... It's challenging to choose a decent one…”

And you enter it by using a portal/sonoro sphere entrance (like every dungeon etc in the game).

But can they manifest all of these possibilities at once? or one at a time?, because the statement about born and fading isn't a great thing for 2-B

That much I'm uncertain. It's clearly not only "one" at a time, since we constantly switch worlds within the same Matrix, but is it all the millions of them? I'm not sure.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

That much I'm uncertain. It's clearly not only "one" at a time, since we constantly switch worlds within the same Matrix, but is it all the millions of them? I'm not sure.

Considering that we only enter a few of them in the game ourselves, it's hard to say. Iirc though, the experiences of Rover and Camellya were completely different (i,e they entered different timelines after being separated if you recall)

 

[SweetDao]

Considering that we only enter a few of them in the game ourselves, it's hard to say. Iirc though, the experiences of Rover and Camellya were completely different (i,e they entered different timelines after being separated if you recall)

Especially since it would be very anticlimatic to go around millions of same room to finish the quest...
One could infer that each of those different "doors" are a different world, which would like amount to, idk, ten ig? But from a developper perspective, there was no point in putting millions of them (without even talking about the framerate).

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Especially since it would be very anticlimatic to go around millions of same room to finish the quest...
One could infer that each of those different "doors" are a different world, which would like amount to, idk, ten ig? But from a developper perspective, there was no point in putting millions of them (without even talking about the framerate).

Yeah it is a typical case of such a thing needing to be shown via statements rather than literal in your face kinda feats.

 

[Furina003]

Because... they enter a Sonoro Sphere, with their physical body and can die, take damage and such? I'm not saying that the "data" itself is a real world, I'm saying the data projected AND actual, within a Sonoro Sphere, is.

Is it true that just because they can enter it and get hurt is it real? What if it's just NPI or immersion or etc? In fiction, we often see characters interacting with information or concepts as if they were interacting with something real. If you can only get hurt and enter it without further explanation, it's hard to say it's real. Because this still has a very broad interpretation

I just read this and this, The world is truly said to be a digital world, and the world has boundaries with reality, but when those boundaries are broken data zones within the system can invade reality and cause anomalies, isn't this just a kind of hax data manipulation or perhaps information manipulation?

But yeaaah, whatever, in the end, I will go with what is accepted here, but I am very skeptical about the arguments there for getting tier 2A or 2B

 

[SweetDao]

Is it true that just because they can enter it and get hurt is it real? What if it's just NPI or immersion or etc? In fiction, we often see characters interacting with information or concepts as if they were interacting with something real. If you can only get hurt and enter it without further explanation, it's hard to say it's real. Because this still has a very broad interpretation

It's the data becoming reality and being able to be entered etc etc, not the character who transform into data to go there.

I just read this and this, The world is truly said to be a digital world, and the world has boundaries with reality, but when those boundaries are broken data zones within the system can invade reality and cause anomalies, isn't this just a kind of hax data manipulation or perhaps information manipulation?

Yeah, just like the people from the Black Shore can project specific Stellar Matrice to create a space, sometimes it goes awry and stuff escape from the data-space into reality, which is typically represented as this.

ut yeaaah, whatever, in the end, I will go with what is accepted here, but I am very skeptical about the arguments there for getting tier 2A or 2B

Me too, but the fact that it's a "real space when projected/actual" is one of the thing that isn't ambiguous me think.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It's the data becoming reality and being able to be entered etc etc, not the character who transform into data to go there.

Yeah, just like the people from the Black Shore can project specific Stellar Matrice to create a space, sometimes it goes awry and stuff escape from the data-space into reality, which is typically represented as this.

Me too, but the fact that it's a "real space when projected/actual" is one of the thing that isn't ambiguous me think.

making 2-B number of timelines is just 2-B so whats the contention against it

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Is it true that just because they can enter it and get hurt is it real? What if it's just NPI or immersion or etc? In fiction, we often see characters interacting with information or concepts as if they were interacting with something real. If you can only get hurt and enter it without further explanation, it's hard to say it's real. Because this still has a very broad interpretation

I mean yeah, you can argue this just like Vietthai said. It's not like we're saying you're wrong here per se, it's just that to assume this is the case would require more evidence and interpretations that contradict the existing scans for the tethys data space. Especially when we already have clear feats of immersion that are vastly different in function to how characters generally interact with tethys.

 

[SweetDao]

making 2-B number of timelines is just 2-B so whats the contention against it

The issue is "if Tethys actualize all the possible timelines/worlds when projecting a Stellar Matrix or not".

 

[Vietthai96]

At best i can see a Possibly 2-B, i can't see a solid rating for it

 

[SweetDao]

At best i can see a Possibly 2-B, i can't see a solid rating for it

2-C, possibly 2-B then?

 

[Vietthai96]

2-C, possibly 2-B then?

2-C???

 

[Furina003]

I mean yeah, you can argue this just like Vietthai said. It's not like we're saying you're wrong here per se, it's just that to assume this is the case would require more evidence and interpretations that contradict the existing scans for the tethys data space. Especially when we already have clear feats of immersion that are vastly different in function to how characters generally interact with tethys.

I won't comment further, because I don't want to disrupt the course of the crt any further, but what I mean is, if it can only be interacted with physically ≠ proves that it is a real thing, because it is consistently referred to as data, the digital world and has limitations with the physical world. so if I return the burden of proof to supporters 2b or 2a, this is also not entirely true, because as I said this still has a very broad interpretation, so yeah that's it, I've conveyed everything I think, and yeah I return all decisions to the results of the discussion in this crt

 

[SweetDao]

2-C???

Well, I thought the issue was merely the "number of them actualized" ? If so, we can take what we see in game as a lowball (each door represent a different world/possibility), and as a "possibly" the 2-B rating?

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, I thought the issue was merely the "number of them actualized" ? If so, we can take what we see in game as a lowball (each door represent a different world/possibility), and as a "possibly" the 2-B rating?

well, oke i guess

 

[IStar0thh]

If that’s the case, wouldn’t “likely” be the more appropriate wording? After all, it’s not realistically possible for the game to literally render millions of “doors.” In this context, I think the quote itself carries far more weight than the visual representation.

 

[SweetDao]

If that’s the case, wouldn’t “likely” be the more appropriate wording? After all, it’s not realistically possible for the game to literally render millions of “doors.” In this context, I think the quote itself carries far more weight than the visual representation.

I think "likely/possibly" is just a phrasing, I don't ever think it mattered

 

[IStar0thh]

I think "likely/possibly" is just a phrasing, I don't ever think it mattered

I thought they were treated differently on the wiki. I'm sorry.

 

[IStar0thh]

So currently we have 2 moderation votes. Can this be closed?

 

[Bsk_lyree]

2 moderation votes

Who are they? I think only one, vietthai and one other mod just correcting I think

 

[IStar0thh]

In my mind, the fact that there's a "Beginning and End" of time, along with a bunch of adjacent timelines, looks like a valid multiverse statement.

Maybe I’m misreading it — am I tripping?
If so, then we only have 1 vote.