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Yu-Gi-Oh! General Discussion

WeeklyBattles said:
2-A and Infinite to Immeasurable scaling for the stronger monsters

Yugi tanking direct hits from Ra outside of a Duel
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holy shi...
I guess Immeasurable speed is paradox scaling? But how do you get infinite speed.
Could 2-A be referring to the DSOD beginning “Light” Create/Destroy Multiverse?
Kind of looking forward to the new round of Yu-Gi-Oh CRT.when will it be released?
 
LeishenMFDCSDF said:
holy shi...
I guess Immeasurable speed is paradox scaling? But how do you get infinite speed.
Could 2-A be referring to the DSOD beginning “Light” Create/Destroy Multiverse?
Kind of looking forward to the new round of Yu-Gi-Oh CRT.when will it be released?
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Best I can say is 'at some point'
 
Is anyone going to work on Yugioh Zexal? Because i am interested in reworking a few profiles there
 
Where did i say its not in its own continuity? I was replying to someone talking abt Zexal lol

(even though Zexal has that one episode that references back to DM and GX, implying it was distant future. Theres also an actual shadow game set in the past from the series, using tangible monsters in Zexal. Arc V also somewhat connects them in the same multiverse)
 
Divini said:
FR, Zexal is overhated imo
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Ikr, its 2025 now, ppl need to stop living in 2012 and still pretending Zexal is the worst thing ever

Zexal easily had the best (consistent) writing, arc and character development so theres also that
 
Late but here:



Jinx666 said:
Ikr, its 2025 now, ppl need to stop living in 2012 and still pretending Zexal is the worst thing ever

Zexal easily had the best (consistent) writing, arc and character development so theres also that
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Hasn't the pendulum swung to the other way around now? You can consistently find people constantly praising Zexal and, in some cases putting it in a pedestal. The fandom's sandbag seems to be Arc-V nowadays.
 
The lack of content on big name monsters like blue eyes and dark magician bothers me to no end

Also can someone confirm or deny if chaos power from the later series applies to the early series chaos monsters?
 
TartaChocholate said:
Hasn't the pendulum swung to the other way around now? You can consistently find people constantly praising Zexal and, in some cases putting it in a pedestal. The fandom's sandbag seems to be Arc-V nowadays.
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Well yh it has, as expected after a while but you still find ppl who will rip on Zexal cause theyve never finished it,

Arc V was just wasted potential central tho, it wasn't bad and it had the GOAT Sawatari in it but theres way more valid complaints abt it than Zexal imho
 
Jinx666 said:
Well yh it has, as expected after a while but you still find ppl who will rip on Zexal cause theyve never finished it,

Arc V was just wasted potential central tho, it wasn't bad and it had the GOAT Sawatari in it but theres way more valid complaints abt it than Zexal imho
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Some people won't let go, huh? Honestly, a lot of the Zexal dismissal was mostly prejudice. While yes, it does have a rather slow and at worst weak first episodes, it really picks up not long later. My guess it's that it had the bad luck of coming after 5Ds. Not so much a thing of being better or worse, rather, when you consider that in Japan Zexal was always beloved and popular compared to 5Ds which performed rather poorly, it does become more evident. The Zexal hate was mostly in the west and 5Ds seemed to be almost taylor made to appeal to the wester audience: an older, mature and cool protagonist, an older cast in general, a gritty cyberpunk-esque setting, a darker and moodier tone and atmosphere, more emphasis in conflicts and personal dramas, etc. All of it stuff we like over here, but didn't quite hit in Japan, so when they tried a colorful, more lighthearted tone and adventurous approach, it got dismissed as kiddy and silly.

Arc-V started out incredible. Never quite got what happened after the synchro arc where I lost track of it, but I have heard that same sentiment that it didn't live up to what it could have become. That and that the ending was terrible.
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...00000000003825036&replyId=4400000000014687794

Mon frere...Im sorry but are you actually asking that? How is there a difference between people who play video games casually and people who play video games professionally irl? Football only has one ball, how is there a difference between casual and professional football players? Im not trying to be rude but that is a very silly question when Dueling is the single most popular sport in the Yugioh world.
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You are missing the point of the question in a very silly manner here. The difference for your examples is the level at which the players are playing and competing and not how the games or their rules function. According to you needing to worry about attack and reaction speed is a matter of the difference between casual and professional. In other words somehow casual people don't need to worry about it even when they use the same technology if I understand that right.

It is part of the rules and gameplay in the anime and manga. Its been part of Dueling since ancient Egypt.
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It's clearly not part of the rules and gameplay when you use a table or playmat if your previous mentions of technology and magic are any indication. Kaiba had no idea about the origins in ancient Egypt when he made a business deal with Pegasus to combine his hologram technology with the game, so why would he build it like that? He didn't even really believe in that stuff when he developed his Duel Disks for Battle City. If there was technology like that in real life, then companies would make it adhere to the rules and I don't see why that wouldn't be the case here.
 
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Does Yusei qualify for an Extraordinary Genius rating?
Considering that he was involved in the development of Fortune, a device that stops Moment from going out of control, Akiza will be asking him for advice on physics. He is well versed in hacking and camouflage techniques, knows how to modify a D-Wheel, and is quite resourceful in a duel, sometimes being able to recognize his opponent's tricks.
 
LeishenMFDCSDF said:
Does Yusei qualify for an Extraordinary Genius rating?
Considering that he was involved in the development of Fortune, a device that stops Moment from going out of control, Akiza will be asking him for advice on physics. He is well versed in hacking and camouflage techniques, knows how to modify a D-Wheel, and is quite resourceful in a duel, sometimes being able to recognize his opponent's tricks.
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I think Yusei would need to be more impressive. Extraordinary Genius is for people whose intelligence flatout surpasses what we've observed to be possible in real life. Fortune is presumably something that was developed over an extended period of time with the contributions of a multitude of people. Hacking, camouflage and resourcefulness in a duel is perfectly possible to have in real life and the D-Wheel is already preexisting technology developed by other people and there are a lot of things technologically savvy people can do with that without outright being able to build a machine like this from scratch.
 
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宝物の名は千年パズルといった
千年パズルは持ち主に力をもたらした

いかなるゲームであろうとも勝利を掴む力を
力は千年パズルに秘められたものではない

千年パズルは持ち主に秘められた力を引き出したのだ
その力は今もなお

五千年の時を越えた今もなお存在するという
千年パズルは目覚めの時を待っているという

Google :
The name of the treasure was the Millennium Puzzle. The Millennium Puzzle bestowed power upon its owner, the power to win any game. The power was not hidden within the Millennium Puzzle; the Millennium Puzzle drew out the hidden power within its owner. That power still exists today, even after 5,000 years. The Millennium Puzzle is said to be waiting to be awakened.

deepl:
The treasure is called the Millennium Puzzle.
The Millennium Puzzle has brought its owner power.

The power to win any game
The power is not in the millennium puzzle

The millennium puzzle brought out the power in its owner
and that power still exists today

The power of the millennium puzzle still exists, even after 5,000 years.
The millennium puzzle awaits its moment of awakening.

In the novel, it is mentioned that Millennium Puzzle's can bring victory for the holder in the game. I haven't read the novel yet though. I don't know if there's anything else relevant later on
 
About Ten Thousand Dragon's Tier
In V-JUMP Magazine, the design concept of Ten Thousand Dragon was officially introduced, and the following is the Japanese text introduction：
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威厳のある堂々とした黄金のドラゴンと、その周りを覆う宇宙。豪快に描かれた神秘的な「万物創世龍」のイラストは、「万物は全て同じひもで出来ている」という考えに基づいた「超ひも理論」をベースにデザインされているのだ。「ひも」を現したドラゴンが、多数の線によって表現された宇宙を吐き出しているそのイラストには、「万物」を線で描き、「創世」するという想いが込められている。「超ひも理論」が持つ壮大な理論を取り入れた「万物創世龍」は、これからの「OCG」の世界を創る最高のシンボルとなるだろう。

線で描かれた宇宙
奥に描かれたカードの裏面

「万物創世竜」から吐き出された宇宙をよく見てみると、端が線によって描かれている。これは平行線を引き重ねて描く「ハッチング」という技法が使用されているのだ。多数の「線(ひも)」で構成された宇宙を描く「万物創世龍」が、「OCG」カードの中に存在しているという構図が表現されているらしい。

全身を覆う鎧の正体はペン!!!!!
デザインの元となった「超ひも理論」において、重要な要素となるのが「線(ひも)」だ。そしてその線を描き出すイメージを表現したのが、「万物創世龍」の身体を覆っている多数の「ペン」である。「万物創世龍」自身をペンに見立てて、このモンスターが幾多もの線を描き、重ね合わされる事で「OCG」の世界を創造していくという神秘的かつ壮大な物語が、この1枚のイラストに詰まっている。

Deepl translator:
A majestic, imposing golden dragon and the universe that surrounds it. The illustration of the mysterious “Ten Thousand Dragon” was designed based on the “superstring theory”, which is based on the idea that “all things are made of the same string”. The illustration, in which a dragon representing a string spits out a universe expressed by many lines, expresses the idea of drawing and “creating” 'all things' with lines. Ten Thousand Dragon, which incorporates the magnificent theory of the Theory of Superstring, will become the best symbol for the future world of the OCG.

The universe drawn in lines
The back of the card drawn at the back

A closer look at the universe spit out from the “Dragon of All Creation” shows that the edges are drawn with lines. This is a technique called “hatching”, in which parallel lines are drawn on top of each other. It seems to express the composition of the Ten Thousand Dragon, which depicts a universe composed of many “lines (strings)”, existing inside the “OCG” card.

The identity of the armour covering the entire body is Pen !!!!!
In the “Super String Theory”, which was the basis for the design, an important element is the “line (string)”. The image of drawing these lines is expressed by the numerous pens that cover the body of the Ten Thousand Dragon. This illustration tells the mysterious and magnificent story of the creation of the world of the OCG through the drawing and superimposition of numerous lines by this monster, using the Ten Thousand Dragon itself as the pen.

Google translator:
A majestic, stately golden dragon, surrounded by the cosmos. The bold, mystical illustration of the "Universal Creator Dragon" is based on "Superstring Theory," which posits that "everything is made of the same string." The illustration, in which the dragon, representing "string," spits out a universe expressed through numerous lines, embodies the idea of drawing "everything" with lines and "creating" the world. Incorporating the grand theory of "Superstring Theory," the "Universal Creator Dragon" will likely become the ultimate symbol for creating the world of the future "OCG."

A Universe Drawn with Lines
The back of the card depicted in the background

Looking closely at the universe spat out by the "Universal Creator Dragon," you'll see that its edges are drawn with lines. This is the result of the use of a technique known as "hatching," which involves overlapping parallel lines. It appears to express the composition of the "Universal Creator Dragon," depicting a universe composed of numerous "lines (strings)," existing within an "OCG" card.

The armor covering its entire body is actually pens!!!!!
In the "Superstring Theory" that inspired the design, "lines (strings)" are a key element. The numerous "pens" covering the "Genesis Dragon of All Things"'s body represent the image of drawing those lines. This single illustration tells a mysterious and epic story of how the "Genesis Dragon of All Things" draws countless lines that overlap to create the world of the Official Card Game.

Considering that it created the OCG world and universe, Ten Thousand Dragon's tier is worth studying.

Image/Reference Source:
（Chinese translation）

万物创世龙设计理念【游戏王vrains吧】_百度贴吧

万物创世龙设计理念..弦理论认为组成世界万物的是一维的弦，弦的不同振动方式组成了所有的基本粒子，空间的维度应该是25维。超弦理论在弦理论的基础上加入了超对称的概念，即所有的费米子都有自己的超伴子，除了一般的对称性外，还引入
tieba.baidu.com tieba.baidu.com
 
Sorry to bump in but I have a couple questions that I just realized could be answered here:
  1. Why is the Great Leviathan listed as superior to Zorc when Dartz’s reasoning for not getting the Pharaoh’s soul is that Zorc was “in [his] way” and therefore waited another 3,000/5,000 years?
  2. Why doesn’t the lifting strength of the Egyptian Gods scale to Zushin?
  3. Why is Yubel Multi-Universal when she needed an outside source of power (Super Polymerization) to achieve that level of power and she never even got to use it?
  4. When did Yubel ever compare herself to Plasma?
  5. Why don’t people like Jaden and Yuma have their superhuman feats?
  6. Shouldn’t everyone have some form of Supernatural Luck because it’s consistently established that duelists draw through more than just luck?
If these don’t have an answer I’ll make a CRT (with sources included) but my instincts say that they do and even if not most of these would be quick changes anyway. Also, for what it’s worth, Kaiba shouldn’t have his DSOD feats since that’s canonically in the manga continuity (hence why he didn’t know Yugi beat the Pharaoh; he wasn’t there for the Ceremonial Duel in that continuity and therefore lacked closure) and even if the Yubel feat goes away everyone can scale to Zorc creating the Shadow Realm. There’s also a cloud feat in ARC-V episode 116 that definitely should be calced but that’s more or less a separate topic.
 
Small add on I've wondered about,Why does Zushin have a profile? He's only ever apparead as a hologram not a duel spirit, He has no real lore and I'm pretty sure the statement about him being equal to the gods is just referring to him as card
 
HoodedEnigma said:
Small add on I've wondered about,Why does Zushin have a profile? He's only ever apparead as a hologram not a duel spirit, He has no real lore and I'm pretty sure the statement about him being equal to the gods is just referring to him as card
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Considering he wasn’t portrayed as doing real damage like the Nordic Gods and the statement about his power was only in the context of it being used in a tournament and from a country bumpkin who wouldn’t know about any supernatural stuff… that definitely makes sense. Heck, the notion of Zushin having godlike supernatural power falls apart when you realize that the card is so common literally everyone in the stands had one.
 
LeishenMFDCSDF said:
Yu-Gi-Oh! Versus/Feat blogs are far too scarce. Currently, only Kaiba vs Vegeta and Cynthia vs Pegasus are available.
I'm presently awaiting the G1 Ash vs Yugi blog and the Weekly Battles Ash vs Yugi blog.
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It's kinda hard given that even though supernatural powers are a thing in the series, most is resolved through Duel Monsters, which feels more akin to a sports anime. Debates are usually not how strong the characters are rather how skilled they are at the game.
 
LeishenMFDCSDF said:
About Ten Thousand Dragon's Tier
In V-JUMP Magazine, the design concept of Ten Thousand Dragon was officially introduced, and the following is the Japanese text introduction：
ee103037acaf2edd4c261be5821001e938019386.jpg

威厳のある堂々とした黄金のドラゴンと、その周りを覆う宇宙。豪快に描かれた神秘的な「万物創世龍」のイラストは、「万物は全て同じひもで出来ている」という考えに基づいた「超ひも理論」をベースにデザインされているのだ。「ひも」を現したドラゴンが、多数の線によって表現された宇宙を吐き出しているそのイラストには、「万物」を線で描き、「創世」するという想いが込められている。「超ひも理論」が持つ壮大な理論を取り入れた「万物創世龍」は、これからの「OCG」の世界を創る最高のシンボルとなるだろう。

線で描かれた宇宙
奥に描かれたカードの裏面

「万物創世竜」から吐き出された宇宙をよく見てみると、端が線によって描かれている。これは平行線を引き重ねて描く「ハッチング」という技法が使用されているのだ。多数の「線(ひも)」で構成された宇宙を描く「万物創世龍」が、「OCG」カードの中に存在しているという構図が表現されているらしい。

全身を覆う鎧の正体はペン!!!!!
デザインの元となった「超ひも理論」において、重要な要素となるのが「線(ひも)」だ。そしてその線を描き出すイメージを表現したのが、「万物創世龍」の身体を覆っている多数の「ペン」である。「万物創世龍」自身をペンに見立てて、このモンスターが幾多もの線を描き、重ね合わされる事で「OCG」の世界を創造していくという神秘的かつ壮大な物語が、この1枚のイラストに詰まっている。

Deepl translator:
A majestic, imposing golden dragon and the universe that surrounds it. The illustration of the mysterious “Ten Thousand Dragon” was designed based on the “superstring theory”, which is based on the idea that “all things are made of the same string”. The illustration, in which a dragon representing a string spits out a universe expressed by many lines, expresses the idea of drawing and “creating” 'all things' with lines. Ten Thousand Dragon, which incorporates the magnificent theory of the Theory of Superstring, will become the best symbol for the future world of the OCG.

The universe drawn in lines
The back of the card drawn at the back

A closer look at the universe spit out from the “Dragon of All Creation” shows that the edges are drawn with lines. This is a technique called “hatching”, in which parallel lines are drawn on top of each other. It seems to express the composition of the Ten Thousand Dragon, which depicts a universe composed of many “lines (strings)”, existing inside the “OCG” card.

The identity of the armour covering the entire body is Pen !!!!!
In the “Super String Theory”, which was the basis for the design, an important element is the “line (string)”. The image of drawing these lines is expressed by the numerous pens that cover the body of the Ten Thousand Dragon. This illustration tells the mysterious and magnificent story of the creation of the world of the OCG through the drawing and superimposition of numerous lines by this monster, using the Ten Thousand Dragon itself as the pen.

Google translator:
A majestic, stately golden dragon, surrounded by the cosmos. The bold, mystical illustration of the "Universal Creator Dragon" is based on "Superstring Theory," which posits that "everything is made of the same string." The illustration, in which the dragon, representing "string," spits out a universe expressed through numerous lines, embodies the idea of drawing "everything" with lines and "creating" the world. Incorporating the grand theory of "Superstring Theory," the "Universal Creator Dragon" will likely become the ultimate symbol for creating the world of the future "OCG."

A Universe Drawn with Lines
The back of the card depicted in the background

Looking closely at the universe spat out by the "Universal Creator Dragon," you'll see that its edges are drawn with lines. This is the result of the use of a technique known as "hatching," which involves overlapping parallel lines. It appears to express the composition of the "Universal Creator Dragon," depicting a universe composed of numerous "lines (strings)," existing within an "OCG" card.

The armor covering its entire body is actually pens!!!!!
In the "Superstring Theory" that inspired the design, "lines (strings)" are a key element. The numerous "pens" covering the "Genesis Dragon of All Things"'s body represent the image of drawing those lines. This single illustration tells a mysterious and epic story of how the "Genesis Dragon of All Things" draws countless lines that overlap to create the world of the Official Card Game.

Considering that it created the OCG world and universe, Ten Thousand Dragon's tier is worth studying.

Image/Reference Source:
（Chinese translation）

万物创世龙设计理念【游戏王vrains吧】_百度贴吧

万物创世龙设计理念..弦理论认为组成世界万物的是一维的弦，弦的不同振动方式组成了所有的基本粒子，空间的维度应该是25维。超弦理论在弦理论的基础上加入了超对称的概念，即所有的费米子都有自己的超伴子，除了一般的对称性外，还引入
tieba.baidu.com tieba.baidu.com
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Bro thank you so much for this!
 
"When the world first began, there existed 'the black waters of the primal Tehom'. They took shape and grew, and what was born were eight pillar deities with fluid forms that serve as the foundation of creation. And from there, they created all that exists with their power.[9]"

Depends on what the "black waters of the primal Tehom" is.
The 8 pillars with "fluid form that serve as the foundation of creation" may possibly be covered under Stabilization Feats.

Creating all that exists is also a bit ambiguous depending on the nature of Tehom. IIRC, creating a universe, ala a Big Bang is High 3-A because usually a universe can be assumed to be infinite like ours & so be High 3-A.
But if a spece-time continuum was made, that'd be Low 2-C, I think.



The Sun of the Beginning​

In the beginning, there was no light nor even time in the 'primal Tehom' filled with the 'black water'. Then, the eight pillar deities were born, and then the Sun was created.

Creation of a timeline, Low 2-C.
Making the sun is probably the same as making our regular sun, which is somewhere in Tier 4, IIRC.

The Gods that Manifested from 'the Black Waters of the Primal Tehom'​


​
OgdoadicOrigin-MADU-EN-VG-artwork.png
"Ogdoadic Origin"
Yugipedia claims in Ogdoadic Origin's Trivia section says:
Trivia for that says:
  • This monster is based on Naunet, one of the eight Egyptian Ogdoad.
We can't do much on that ALONE, but it could be useful for inferences of thematics/tones/motifs, etc.. I think.

The Constantly-Changing Existences in the Primal Tehom[edit]​

​
OgdoadicSerpentStrike-MADU-EN-VG-artwork.pngOgdoadicCalling-MADU-EN-VG-artwork.png
"Ogdoadic Serpent Strike""Ogdoadic Calling"
The deities, who are themselves 'black water', also create lifeforms from 'black water'.

​
Ogdoadic Serpent Strike's Trivia:
Ogdoadic Calling's Trivia:

The Other Gods​

The Gods of Time and Space

"Flogos, the Ogdoadic Boundless""Zohah, the Ogdoadic Boundless"
The Gods of Light and Darkness

"Keurse, the Ogdoadic Light""Aleirtt, the Ogdoadic Dark"

Unsure what to make of all this. I feel like understanding Tehom might be important, & there might be something to make of studying the Ogdoad to see what insights into this can be gleamed, but beyond that, IDK what to make of this.
I don't always deal with higher tier stuff.

Hope this helps!
 
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