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Halo General Discussion Thread

Wanted to ask since it potentially might be outdated.

To what extent does Cortana have Type 1 Information Manipulation? I see it listed on her profile.
 
Wanted to ask since it potentially might be outdated.

To what extent does Cortana have Type 1 Information Manipulation? I see it listed on her profile.
A bit late, but yeah, it is outdated with no scans or references.

Cortana hacking into Covenant’s battlenet and gaining access to Forerunner installations (which also enables Master Chief to teleport to a different location although only on the Rings in Halo Combat Evolved for the teleportation aspect).

Edit: Also she is a smart AI so she should technically have that by default if you ask me.
 
So Jega's actually alive. The next book takes place after Infinity and he's apparently in it hunting Chief.
 
Yeah, there is a new upcoming book taking place after Infinite. Supposedly, it's story is what was going to be the DLC story expansion that was rumored and later canceled.
 
Yeah, there is a new upcoming book taking place after Infinite. Supposedly, it's story is what was going to be the DLC story expansion that was rumored and later canceled.
Because of course we can't have nice things anymore.... I'm so tired of all the ******* books....
 
This ****** is a badass and deserves a profile.
 
I definitely think things like the Precursors need upgrading. I think there’s a genuine argument for their true forms/minds being 5-D
 
I can lead from the front by gathering stuff to upgrade Master Chief. If you can find feats for 5-D Precursors, I would support it.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/precursors-vs-first-ones.262870/#post-11153577
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/xeelee-vs-precursors-flood-halo.1076961/#post-90787653



Bunch of links to help provide evidence for 5-D. Given how they can affect Slipspace which is “above” the 4 dimensions of regular space, that should help to prove this. However, I don’t have the scans of 5-D Slipspace unfortunately (btw I know Slipspace is 11-D, but these dimensions are noted to be in a bundle so might not be superior to the dimensions below them. However, since Slipspace is mentioned to be above the four dimensions of regular space it should qualify for being 5-D imo.)
 
5-D Precursors sounds a lot like wank, especially when they take "Higher dimensional" out of context. Also, 11-D slipspace was uniformingly rejected and clearly doesn't scale to anyone. And there is no proof even if it was 11-D to those being "Higher infinities." Even at their prime, the Precursors were wiped about by Tier 4 level explosions. Also, the books have spoken a lot of speculated theories about Precursors that Forerunners questioned, but Silentium is the only book that literally gives us reliable details about them and basically confirms that everything about them being "gods" or "Transdimensional beings" are all overhyped myths. They were highly advanced and had fancy Biotechnologies in the form of Star Roads. Which travel through slipspace portals to extend range without physically moving any faster than 1/3rd the speed of light. And those star roads also moved planets and stars, but they clearly were not invincible. And the statement about "Purposely letting themselves be destroyed" is downright false, we see them actively try to run from Forerunners before they were ultimately wiped out aside from the few remains that became the Flood.
 
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5-D Precursors sounds a lot like wank, especially when they take "Higher dimensional" out of context. Also, 11-D slipspace was uniformingly rejected and clearly doesn't scale to anyone. And there is no proof even if it was 11-D to those being "Higher infinities." Even at their prime, the Precursors were wiped about by Tier 4 level explosions. Also, the books have spoken a lot of speculated theories about Precursors that Forerunners questioned, but Silentium is the only book that literally gives us reliable details about them and basically confirms that everything about them being "gods" or "Transdimensional beings" are all overhyped myths. They were highly advanced and had fancy Biotechnologies in the form of Star Roads. Which travel through slipspace portals to extend range without physically moving any faster than 1/3rd the speed of light. And those star roads also moved planets and stars, but they clearly were not invincible. And the statement about "Purposely letting themselves be destroyed" is downright false, we see them actively try to run from Forerunners before they were ultimately wiped out aside from the few remains that became the Flood.
To be fair, there is a lot of stuff about them “letting” themselves be destroyed, plus having forms that reached multiple different tiers on the technology scale. And Warfleet I believe says their minds are “transcendent”. I can find the scan if you’d like. And I know Slipspace at 11-D wouldn’t work because the dimensions aren’t superior to those of real space, what I was saying was that the dimensions aren’t superior of slipspace as a whole is stated to be above the three spatial and one temporal dimensions of normal space. We know that the Precursors can affect Slipspace, and The Flood at their peak we’re capable of infecting Slipspace as well. Star Roads are stated to weave through Slipspace, and what we see of them in the books are the mere “shadows” according to Warfleet. I can give scans for the Warfleet stuff if you’d like.
 
To be fair, there is a lot of stuff about them “letting” themselves be destroyed, plus having forms that reached multiple different tiers on the technology scale. And Warfleet I believe says their minds are “transcendent”. I can find the scan if you’d like. And I know Slipspace at 11-D wouldn’t work because the dimensions aren’t superior to those of real space, what I was saying was that the dimensions aren’t superior of slipspace as a whole is stated to be above the three spatial and one temporal dimensions of normal space. We know that the Precursors can affect Slipspace, and The Flood at their peak we’re capable of infecting Slipspace as well. Star Roads are stated to weave through Slipspace, and what we see of them in the books are the mere “shadows” according to Warfleet. I can give scans for the Warfleet stuff if you’d like.
I'm still quite positive those are just repeats of things I and many others have already heard numerous times that all turn out to be completely false. The other two books mention a lot of random things about Precursors that consist of speculated conversations between in universe characters, but Silentium is the only book of the trilogy that actually gives us true insight on the Precursors. Basically, they're no where near as potent as the various people all over space battles or reddit overhype. Them "Purposely letting the Forerunners kill them and wanting them to be their successors" is grossly contradicted by what actually happens. Precursors wanted humanity to be their successor, not the Forerunners. And they actively fought the Forerunners with all their might and even attempted a retreat when they were losing, but they failed. And that last few survivors basically regressed and it is unknown if they created the flood with the last of their breath or became them. But it is more heavily implied to be the latter given the whereabouts of the Primordial. Primordial is said to be the "Last surviving Precursor" but he is basically a Gravemind now, and the last one to contain memories of the Forerunner-Precursor War era.

"Transcendent" doesn't mean much without further context and just means they were the only race capable of traveling beyond the Milky Way Galaxy; hence "Extra Galactic." But "Transcendent" in the literal sense is merely hypothesized by in universe characters and never actually proven. "Effecting slipspace" doesn't mean anything AP wise, though there is note worthy hax. Slipspace's exact size cannot be determined, but there's no proof of it being larger than the milky way galaxy. It's main purpose is to basically make use of dimensional travel + portal entering/exiting as a method to take short cuts of interstellar travel as it's basically confirmed in universe that FTL Realspace travel is a scientifically impossible feat. Though, some degree of spatial/gravity manipulation hax has been used for combat. As for the Slipspace effects or "Time dilation chambers," the time manipulation does involve things like hypersleep features that allow people to travel forward in time without aging; basically like giant cryotubes. But it's not doing significant destruction/recreation or anything like that. But the best raw destruction feats ever demonstrated is simply causing stars to go supernova. I wouldn't count Halo arrays as explosions since it's not really generating much force/pressure, it's mostly just omnidirectional light that also causes nervous systems to get fried but causes basically no damage to any inanimate objects such as planets or stars (Though luminosity calculations could be done)

Also, I know what Star Roads are, they are large interplanetary tentacles that can also reach interstellar and above distances by digging through slip space portals. And due to length, we can still see one side going through one and coming out the other. It's basically similar to what portal guns from portal can do and stick there arm in one portal and come out the other. Though one difference is Slipspace does still have some degree of distance within itself to travel and thus not quite as comparatively fast paced compared to a portal gun.
 
I'm still quite positive those are just repeats of things I and many others have already heard numerous times that all turn out to be completely false. The other two books mention a lot of random things about Precursors that consist of speculated conversations between in universe characters, but Silentium is the only book of the trilogy that actually gives us true insight on the Precursors. Basically, they're no where near as potent as the various people all over space battles or reddit overhype. Them "Purposely letting the Forerunners kill them and wanting them to be their successors" is grossly contradicted by what actually happens. Precursors wanted humanity to be their successor, not the Forerunners. And they actively fought the Forerunners with all their might and even attempted a retreat when they were losing, but they failed. And that last few survivors basically regressed and it is unknown if they created the flood with the last of their breath or became them. But it is more heavily implied to be the latter given the whereabouts of the Primordial. Primordial is said to be the "Last surviving Precursor" but he is basically a Gravemind now, and the last one to contain memories of the Forerunner-Precursor War era.

"Transcendent" doesn't mean much without further context and just means they were the only race capable of traveling beyond the Milky Way Galaxy; hence "Extra Galactic." But "Transcendent" in the literal sense is merely hypothesized by in universe characters and never actually proven. "Effecting slipspace" doesn't mean anything AP wise, though there is note worthy hax. Slipspace's exact size cannot be determined, but there's no proof of it being larger than the milky way galaxy. It's main purpose is to basically make use of dimensional travel + portal entering/exiting as a method to take short cuts of interstellar travel as it's basically confirmed in universe that FTL Realspace travel is a scientifically impossible feat. Though, some degree of spatial/gravity manipulation hax has been used for combat. As for the Slipspace effects or "Time dilation chambers," the time manipulation does involve things like hypersleep features that allow people to travel forward in time without aging; basically like giant cryotubes. But it's not doing significant destruction/recreation or anything like that. But the best raw destruction feats ever demonstrated is simply causing stars to go supernova. I wouldn't count Halo arrays as explosions since it's not really generating much force/pressure, it's mostly just omnidirectional light that also causes nervous systems to get fried but causes basically no damage to any inanimate objects such as planets or stars (Though luminosity calculations could be done)

Also, I know what Star Roads are, they are large interplanetary tentacles that can also reach interstellar and above distances by digging through slip space portals. And due to length, we can still see one side going through one and coming out the other. It's basically similar to what portal guns from portal can do and stick there arm in one portal and come out the other. Though one difference is Slipspace does still have some degree of distance within itself to travel and thus not quite as comparatively fast paced compared to a portal gun.
Here’s the Warfleet scans I was talking about
Unfortunately, I don’t own most of the other books so I can’t give any scans.
 
All it does is redirect me to Imgur album. Imgur in general changed policies, better off switching to a new image upload. I think Catbox.moe is what Agnaa recommended.
 
All it does is redirect me to Imgur album. Imgur in general changed policies, better off switching to a new image upload. I think Catbox.moe is what Agnaa recommended.
Sorry about that. I uploaded them to the wiki instead. Hopefully should work now.
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We still have all those calcs that were made last year for the planned revisions that never ended up happening, like upgrading Spartan Tier characters to have significantly better 9-A, 8-C and even 8-B feats/scaling.
 
Yeah, they're repeats of things already seen all and basically rejected all the way back in 2017-2018. "Transcended many realms" is blown out of proportions. Much of what Warfleet said is based on what tablets and transcripts human characters collected and leaves out context of whether any of those written scripts are actually accurate canon to the lore and not some superstition. Not to mention, Neural physics literally is just about every other Hive Mind conscious related technologies.

We still have all those calcs that were made last year for the planned revisions that never ended up happening, like upgrading Spartan Tier characters to have significantly better 9-A, 8-C and even 8-B feats/scaling.
Well, I have wrote contentions against 8-C stuff; I vaguely recall flaws due to how explosions work in outer space. Not to mention, the same missiles typically generate 9-B areas in environments with gravities similar to Earth. And as for 8-B, I remember the Spartan Laser calculation and something related in Halo Infinite, but the former definitely oneshots Spartan level enemies in canon unless they use better shields/power ups such as invulnerability or Hardlight shields. Though, some of the bosses might have something on that level.
 
Well, I have wrote contentions against 8-C stuff; I vaguely recall flaws due to how explosions work in outer space. Not to mention, the same missiles typically generate 9-B areas in environments with gravities similar to Earth. And as for 8-B, I remember the Spartan Laser calculation and something related in Halo Infinite, but the former definitely oneshots Spartan level enemies in canon unless they use better shields/power ups such as invulnerability or Hardlight shields. Though, some of the bosses might have something on that level.
Chief in Infinite physically overpowers Skimmers who tear apart a monitor on-screen which have shown to survive repeated blasts from Spartan Lasers, not to mention Chief himself beats an amped up Monitor in an upgraded combat body that gets even stronger than second time he fights him and he beats him again without a Spartan Laser either time. Not to mention Chief no-selling a blast from said Monitor before he got his combat body upgrade.
 
There could still be contention that tanking Spartan lasers is considered game mechanics; like even things like "They can survive rocket launchers meant for destroying Wraiths and Scorpion tanks on easy mode" was often even something that has been contradicted the in canon portrayals in the cutscenes or books for certain enemies such as Sangheili (Who are typically one-shotted and often lose entire limbs from things far below rocket launchers), but if it's a Halo Infinite exclusive upgrade. There could be doors for that.
 
There could still be contention that tanking Spartan lasers is considered game mechanics
This is literally the bug climactic finale of Halo 3 and also Guilty Spark's only durability feat so you can't claim its an outlier.
; like even things like "They can survive rocket launchers meant for destroying Wraiths and Scorpion tanks on easy mode" was often even something that has been contradicted the in canon portrayals in the cutscenes or books for certain enemies such as Sangheili (Who are typically one-shotted and often lose entire limbs from things far below rocket launchers), but if it's a Halo Infinite exclusive upgrade. There could be doors for that.
It's just how powerful the Monitors are in general and the only people who scale to this are Chief, Jega, Escharum, Atriox, The Harbinger, The Gravemind and the Skimmers. I guess technically the Hardlight Shield from Halo 4 and 5 as well since they can no-sell Spartan Laser and Incineration Cannons but that's equipment, not a character.
 
Yeah, they're repeats of things already seen all and basically rejected all the way back in 2017-2018. "Transcended many realms" is blown out of proportions. Much of what Warfleet said is based on what tablets and transcripts human characters collected and leaves out context of whether any of those written scripts are actually accurate canon to the lore and not some superstition. Not to mention, Neural physics literally is just about every other Hive Mind conscious related technologies.
Fair enough. But the flood infecting Slipspace should be a pretty good range feat at least. Broken Circle also has some pretty decent statements regarding the Precursors iirc but again, I don’t own that book so I can’t verify.

We also need to upgrade Mantle’s Approach as it should upscale from the Guardians’ destruction of Doisac because the Guardians were essentially police boats. And the Keyship tanked an impact so violent that it created an ocean visible on Janjur Qom (which is nearly 12000 km wide). Also Frigate MACs making explosions visible on the 13km tall keyship should be a good AP feat for them (and MACs are variable in yield in case people say it contradicts the current value).
 
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There could still be contention that tanking Spartan lasers is considered game mechanics; like even things like "They can survive rocket launchers meant for destroying Wraiths and Scorpion tanks on easy mode" was often even something that has been contradicted the in canon portrayals in the cutscenes or books for certain enemies such as Sangheili (Who are typically one-shotted and often lose entire limbs from things far below rocket launchers), but if it's a Halo Infinite exclusive upgrade. There could be doors for that.
He doesn't just tank Spartan Lasers; it's the only weapon in the game that can damage him. You can get access to rocket launchers in The Library in the first game, and even if you shoot those at him he'll just complain that you're being rude.
 
We still have all those calcs that were made last year for the planned revisions that never ended up happening, like upgrading Spartan Tier characters to have significantly better 9-A, 8-C and even 8-B feats/scaling.
Really? Would you be able to find them? If they are accepted, I can add them to my Master Chief upgrades I'm working on.
 
his is literally the bug climactic finale of Halo 3 and also Guilty Spark's only durability feat so you can't claim its an outlier.
I thought you were talking about skimmers and was thinking of surviving Spartan lasers were game mechanics for them; not Guilty Spark specifically. Especially considering Skimmers can get killed by things other than Spartan Lasers, such as grenades, rockets, or even shotguns. Same with Adjutant Resolution getting destroyed parts destroyed by Tier 9 weapons.

That being said, I should have also mentioned another important detail. In the case of Guilty Spark, and other aforementioned Monitors. It's an important reminder of how almost any type of energy shield and especially the ones used by Monitors. It is explained to us in Ghost of Onyx that the advanced energy shielding that monitors use (Which are in turn based on what energy shields Covenant soldiers and Spartan armor post Mk V and beyond all use overall weaker variants of) are programmed to react to extreme heat and generally activate based on the more heat is detected. As a result, it does make it excellent for protecting them against plasma, fast projectiles such as beams and ballistics, and even explosions such as rockets; which are all known to generate extreme heat. Another detail is omnidirectional status, it doesn't often notice difference between omnidirectional attacks and monodirectional attacks with low AoE. Still tries to shield against both, but the latter tends to drain the endurance of the shield x times faster, with x being the surface area of the shield compared to the attacks. And in addition, as mentioned, attacks that are slow but heavy and attacks that have high mass/density compared to specific temperature tend to be more effective at bypassing the protection of energy shields. That was the plot point for Ghost of Onyx was the Spartans using sniper rifles and rocket launchers not doing much when attacking the sentinels directly, but using the weapons to trigger avalanches and boulders crushing the sentinels is what destroyed them. And using the KE of the falling rocks and taking inverse square law into account, they were probably about Wall level. And before taking things out of proportion, it's not so much shields don't react to heavy melee, it's just that the protection is limited and often needs to use up extra endurance for attacks of said nature.

So, I can see merit for energy shields being up to 8-B against various projectiles, but melee attacks being that high and unshielded durability being that high I still have my doubts.
He doesn't just tank Spartan Lasers; it's the only weapon in the game that can damage him. You can get access to rocket launchers in The Library in the first game, and even if you shoot those at him he'll just complain that you're being rude.
As mentioned above, there wasn't a mention of Guilty Spark earlier. Though, I should mention that sometimes, allied NPCs are basically programmed to be unkillable. Because they weren't meant to be killed. Sgt Avery Johnson could technically survive just about anything in gameplay, when some players like to betray the marines for fun. Those were good times, throwing a grenade that kills three marines, and one of them gets his head stuck in the ceiling. And another got a foot stuck in the wall with the rest of the corpse hanging like a rag doll. I was just speaking in general, that we should try to maintain some degree of scrutiny when using in game health bars as a means for statistics scaling.
Fair enough. But the flood infecting Slipspace should be a pretty good range feat at least.
Yeah, sounds Cross Dimensional.
We also need to upgrade Mantle’s Approach as it should upscale from the Guardians’ destruction of Doisac because the Guardians were essentially police boats. And the Keyship tanked an impact so violent that it created an ocean visible on Janjur Qom (which is nearly 12000 km wide). Also Frigate MACs making explosions visible on the 13km tall keyship should be a good AP feat for them (and MACs are variable in yield in case people say it contradicts the current value).
Yeah, I heard there were some feats that could upgrade Mantle's approach to Low 5-B at the very least. It was rumored to be 3 times stronger than War Sphinx's which were calculated to be like Moon level+ iirc.
 
The main issue I have with our Halo profiles is their Intelligence rating and descriptions. They're either poorly made or just aren't comprehensive anymore.



Also are we able to calc grenades in Halo using the Skull that makes all explosions twice as big?
 
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Absolutely not, it is a transmutation devise, and not meant to be scaled to anyone's durability if that's what you're asking.
 
I mean none of that really gets passed the fact that Chief is still astronomically superior to himself back in three considering he still no-sold the same attack that damn near one-shot him with full shielding back in Halo 3 and he fights people can harm him all the time, for example the Harbinger manages to send him flying but it doesn't do a lot of damage to him where as he literally shrugs off the Monitor blasting him.
 
I mean none of that really gets passed the fact that Chief is still astronomically superior to himself back in three considering he still no-sold the same attack that damn near one-shot him with full shielding back in Halo 3 and he fights people can harm him all the time, for example the Harbinger manages to send him flying but it doesn't do a lot of damage to him where as he literally shrugs off the Monitor blasting him.
Really? Would I be able to see that? That might be able to vastly boost his Gen 2 suit.
 
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