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Elden Ring General Discussion

ArkhamDC06 said:
So here's what I've noted for Heolstor for now in terms of abilities :

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Expert Combatant, Weapon Mastery, Energy Projection (With his Moonlight (?) Sword, innate powers and Magic), Darkness Manipulation, Magic (He can use the Rain of Stars spell), Elemental Absorption/Manipulation, Levitation, Teleportation, Acrobatics

I believe we can also give him Reality Warping and maybe Life Creation since he's the origin of the Night and the Nightlords all come from it
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he should also get gravity manip, madness manip, frost/temp manip as when he cuts space with his sword he directly draws on the powers of other night lords, purple sky for Adel, white sky with the eye for the Equilibrius beast ect.
 
Okay. I was not expecting Ironeye to be so good. Usually bows suck in souls games, yet this class is really doing work. I’m even getting solo wins with him.
 
SilentLyfe said:
Okay. I was not expecting Ironeye to be so good. Usually bows suck in souls games, yet this class is really doing work. I’m even getting solo wins with him.
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The big thing imo is that by having dedicated classes, they can all be especially powerful. Most other FromSoft games offer more variety, so some playstyles will naturally be worse than others.
 
SilentLyfe said:
Okay. I was not expecting Ironeye to be so good. Usually bows suck in souls games, yet this class is really doing work. I’m even getting solo wins with him.
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he is pretty decent, kinda tough in solo runs thought (not to tough but hey) still way weaker than raider, guardian or wylder when it comes to solo stuff but is definitely still pretty good.
 
oh and speaking of skyboxes, shouldn't heolster's just flat out get us a definitive 4-A scale for both nightreign stuff and some god tiers in elden ring? cuse we see that Heolster unleashing his full form and power changes the skybox to the point where we can't even really argue ambiguity or him simply clearing the sky as the stars in the sky are flat out bending into circles. Wouldn't that just by default give us 4-A or at the very least some definitive high 4-C or 4-B results?
 
Generally speaking the main issue with Tier 4 has always been the mixed messages regarding stars. They're used for a variety of things and there's no consistent usage of the term that can be wholly applied to one thing.

The Nightlords really dont do anything that Radahn or the Elden Beast already didn't do. The most it can show is more evidence for Tier 4 stuff.
 
Just wanted to make a note of something regarding the presence of Souls bosses in Nightreign and cross scaling in the possible future.

I have my opinions on this, primarily because information from Dark Souls is extremely old and outdated (really only beating out Demon's Souls because the stuff from that verse is ANCIENT). There are literally only a handful of calcs for the verse, with one of them being inaccurate and not even available to find anymore, and one of them being overblown imo. TL;DR, Dark Souls needs some serious TLC, and I was hoping to get to it after I finished DS2.

Beyond that though, the presence of Dark Souls bosses in Nightreign itself for the most part has little lore presence. Outside of the initial twitter post from the Dark Souls account, and I believe a minor statement from Ishizaki, there presence is exclusively for gameplay purposes. Even when Ishizaki was asked about this, he stated that the real reason for there presence was simply just gameplay, and there were little to no lore implications beyond that.

Just wanted to get that out there, since I'll be putting the bosses on the verse page, but I don't really think they should be worked on or incorporated into Elden Ring for a while. I got over a half a dozen verses and things on my plate though, so we'll see when I can get that done. Probably if I can fix together all the Elden Ring calcs and profiles I want to make.
 
I can't remember where I red that but I think the most lore-stuff I've red about them is that those bosses are beings from other worlds who were dragged to the LB by the Night. And that's pretty much it.

Regardless, if we really want to make profiles for them, we can still make them and specify it's their ER/NR version and not the original, like "Nameless King (Elden Ring/Nightreign)" but it might be pretty rebundant
 
Chritin said:
Just wanted to make a note of something regarding the presence of Souls bosses in Nightreign and cross scaling in the possible future.

I have my opinions on this, primarily because information from Dark Souls is extremely old and outdated (really only beating out Demon's Souls because the stuff from that verse is ANCIENT). There are literally only a handful of calcs for the verse, with one of them being inaccurate and not even available to find anymore, and one of them being overblown imo. TL;DR, Dark Souls needs some serious TLC, and I was hoping to get to it after I finished DS2.

Beyond that though, the presence of Dark Souls bosses in Nightreign itself for the most part has little lore presence. Outside of the initial twitter post from the Dark Souls account, and I believe a minor statement from Ishizaki, there presence is exclusively for gameplay purposes. Even when Ishizaki was asked about this, he stated that the real reason for there presence was simply just gameplay, and there were little to no lore implications beyond that.

Just wanted to get that out there, since I'll be putting the bosses on the verse page, but I don't really think they should be worked on or incorporated into Elden Ring for a while. I got over a half a dozen verses and things on my plate though, so we'll see when I can get that done. Probably if I can fix together all the Elden Ring calcs and profiles I want to make.
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I say we wait till the DLC drops for Nightreign because the dev's did say they where adding more characters and what not and if we get more DS 1 through 3 stuff we might get a character that is related to it in some form or fashion and if thats the case we may get remembrances of those characters for us to come to any and all profile related conlusions for the DS crew
 
Would Heolstor pulling characters from dark souls out of their own universe to his add anything to his scaling, or just aad something to his abilities list.
 
IAmNotBread said:
Would Heolstor pulling characters from dark souls out of their own universe to his add anything to his scaling, or just aad something to his abilities list.
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Tbh, not really. He's like High 6-B with a likely 4-A rating, while DS characters are Low 6-b with a 4-C rating if they're lucky (and even that stuff is kinda iffy and confusing, but like I said I'll cross that bridge when I get to it).
 
IAmNotBread said:
Would Heolstor pulling characters from dark souls out of their own universe to his add anything to his scaling, or just aad something to his abilities list.
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Heolstor would currently look something like this in my mind:
High 6-B, likely 4-A (The Nighlord is a cheated God who's goal was to overthrew the Golden Order and usher in the Age of Stars. Heolstor should be comparable to other Gods such as Marika or Miquella and can rend space apart with his sword swings. Heolstor empowered all the other Nightlords and has seemingly destroyed the Erdtree). Low 2-C with The Primordial Nightlord's Rune (Caused the breakdown of space and time when ushering in the Night and the accompanying rain, allowing Heolstor to summon characters from separate universes. The Primordial Nightlord's Rune was used to reverse time and prevent the events of Nightreign from occurring. If not stopped the entire world would eventually cease to exist.)
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and we're done here

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I feel like someone sent it before, but does anyone have a fairly good quality version of the Third artbook for SotE? I need renders of the Ancient Dragon Man, Florissax, and Lamenter for the Tarnished profile since they are all unique forms. If anyone also has a good render of the Lord of Frenzied Flame that would also be appreciated.
 
Playing Nightreign after doing only NG+ runs for a few weeks is crazy cause now I have to actually try again lol
 
So there have been new timeline theories with Noklateo being a thing. One I saw is that the Nox were imprisoned underground during the Shattering, which is where they used the Fingerslayer Blade and all the stuff with the Lord of Night.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?
 
Qawsedf234 said:
So there have been new timeline theories with Noklateo being a thing. One I saw is that the Nox were imprisoned underground during the Shattering, which is where they used the Fingerslayer Blade and all the stuff with the Lord of Night.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?
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Personally, I was under the impression that Noklateo was likely the original unnamed eternal city. However, if we assume the events of Nightreign take place after the shattering, then it's possible that it should have already been overtaken by deathroot at this point. There could also be some weird timey-wimey shennanigans going on, but still the rest of that checks out in my opinion.

Also, I feel like there was something that stated it in the base game as well, but this game gives pretty good confirmation that Astel actually buried the eternal cities when it destroyed them.
 
Chritin said:
Personally, I was under the impression that Noklateo was likely the original unnamed eternal city.
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I think so as well. It matches Leyndall pretty well, and I could see it being sunk during the meteor strikes.
Chritin said:
However, if we assume the events of Nightreign take place after the shattering, then it's possible that it should have already been overtaken by deathroot at this point
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Yes and no imo. If the Nightlord stuff occurred early in the Shattering, then it you could argue that it had happened before Godwyn got as bad as he did in Elden Ring.
Chritin said:
Astel actually buried the eternal cities when it destroyed them.
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I wonder if you could calc it? Though thinking about it, I'm not sure how you would.

EDIT: With the timeline presented, I think it goes something like this now:
  • Ranni + Nox do the night of the Black Knives
  • Ranni betrays the Nox and the Black Knives are hunted down
  • Marika Shatters the Elden Ring
  • The Nox commit their Cardinal Sin and wound Metyr, which breaks her connection to the Greater Will
  • The forces of the Erdtree attack the Nameless City (we can see the headless soldiers attacking the city and a dead demigod figure there)
  • The Greater Will sends down Astel to sink the Nox Cities
  • Nightreign: The nameless man who survived Astel's attack is the key figure needed and completes the Lord of Night with his curse, ushering in the plot of Nightregin
  • Post-Time Warp: The Lord of Night doesn't arrive, and Astel successfully sinks all the cities of the Nox
  • Shattering continues until the Greater Will abandons the Lands Between per the narrator
  • Plot of Elden Ring happens
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
I wonder if you could calc it? Though thinking about it, I'm not sure how you would.
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You read my mind lmao. I've had plans, since I know the surface area and the depth of all of the Eternal Cities based on map data.

Speaking of which, I need a volunteer who has Elden Ring on PC who can help me rip files for some calcs/reduxes. It's a simple process, but I just don't wanna buy the games on PC when I already got them on PS.
 
Chritin said:
Speaking of which, I need a volunteer who has Elden Ring on PC who can help me rip files for some calcs/reduxes. It's a simple process, but I just don't wanna buy the games on PC when I already got them on PS.
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I have it on PC but I'm not sure how to rip map features. I can do character models but I'm not sure where you'd find like, buildings or anything
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I have it on PC but I'm not sure how to rip map features. I can do character models but I'm not sure where you'd find like, buildings or anything
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If you know how to do character models, I'm pretty sure there is a photo literally titled maps. If you'd like to talk about it on discord, I can link you the Elden Ring modding discord where you could ask around
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I think so as well. It matches Leyndall pretty well, and I could see it being sunk during the meteor strikes.

Yes and no imo. If the Nightlord stuff occurred early in the Shattering, then it you could argue that it had happened before Godwyn got as bad as he did in Elden Ring.

I wonder if you could calc it? Though thinking about it, I'm not sure how you would.

EDIT: With the timeline presented, I think it goes something like this now:
  • Ranni + Nox do the night of the Black Knives
  • Ranni betrays the Nox and the Black Knives are hunted down
  • Marika Shatters the Elden Ring
  • The Nox commit their Cardinal Sin and wound Metyr, which breaks her connection to the Greater Will
  • The forces of the Erdtree attack the Nameless City (we can see the headless soldiers attacking the city and a dead demigod figure there)
  • The Greater Will sends down Astel to sink the Nox Cities
  • Nightreign: The nameless man who survived Astel's attack is the key figure needed and completes the Lord of Night with his curse, ushering in the plot of Nightregin
  • Post-Time Warp: The Lord of Night doesn't arrive, and Astel successfully sinks all the cities of the Nox
  • Shattering continues until the Greater Will abandons the Lands Between per the narrator
  • Plot of Elden Ring happens
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The GW was long gone by the time of the Shattering though, the one moment it did actively did something was when it might have sent Astel to destroy the cities but that's it
 
Qawsedf234 said:
So there have been new timeline theories with Noklateo being a thing. One I saw is that the Nox were imprisoned underground during the Shattering, which is where they used the Fingerslayer Blade and all the stuff with the Lord of Night.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?
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Well we know at least that Heolstor appeared in response to the Shattering so might work
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
The GW was long gone by the time of the Shattering though, the one moment it did actively did something was when it might have sent Astel to destroy the cities but that's it
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I'm not sure now. Because the narration says the following

Now, Queen Marika the Eternal is nowhere to be found, and in the Night of the Black Knives, Godwyn the Golden was the first to perish.

Soon, Marika's offspring, demigods all, claimed the shards of the Elden Ring. The mad taint of their newfound strength triggered the Shattering.

A war from which no lord arose. A war leading to abandonment by the Greater Will.

The only hard number we are given for time is that GRRM says there's a 5000 year long history somewhere. The Shattering very well could've happened centuries or even millenia before Elden Ring, which would still have the Greater Will be gone for quite some time.
 
WanderingGecko said:
Do you have the lore for the Low 2-C part? Since that's pretty cool and I'm curious about it now.
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The second is in game, so I'll have to dig up dialogue. The third part it the cutscene you get after beating the final boss. For the first part it comes from this interview
石崎　はい、日中の敵は基本的に『ELDEN RING』の敵が中心になります。『ELDEN RING』のボスも登場しますが、すべてのボスが登場するわけではありません。とくに“デミゴッド”は『ELDEN RING』の物語に強く紐づいているので……ここからは秘密にしておきます。まったく出ないということではありません。

　また、『DARK SOULS』シリーズの敵も、わずかにですが登場します。設定的には、元凶たる夜の王の影響で、他世界から引き寄せられてきたといったイメージですね。

　『ELDEN RING NIGHTREIGN』では夜になったらいろいろなモノが襲ってくるという、カオス感を大事にしています。その意味で、別世界の敵が出てくるのもおもしろいだろうと思い、宮崎と、『DARK SOULS Ⅱ』のディレクターである谷村（谷村 唯氏）に了解を得て、登場させることにしました。
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Machine Translation:
Ishizaki　Yes, the enemies during the day are basically the enemies from ELDEN RING. The bosses from ELDEN RING also appear, but not all of them. In particular, the Demigods are strongly connected to the story of ELDEN RING, so I'll keep it a secret from here on out. That doesn't mean they won't appear at all. 　Also, enemies from the DARK SOULS series will appear, but only a little. In terms of the setting, they are drawn from another world due to the influence of the King of Night, the original villain. 　In ELDEN RING NIGHTREIGN, we value the sense of chaos that various things attack at night. In that sense, I thought it would be interesting to have enemies from another world appear, so I got permission from Miyazaki and Tanimura (Yui Tanimura), the director of DARK SOULS II, and decided to have them appear.
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Qawsedf234 said:
I'm not sure now. Because the narration says the following

Now, Queen Marika the Eternal is nowhere to be found, and in the Night of the Black Knives, Godwyn the Golden was the first to perish.

Soon, Marika's offspring, demigods all, claimed the shards of the Elden Ring. The mad taint of their newfound strength triggered the Shattering.

A war from which no lord arose. A war leading to abandonment by the Greater Will.

The only hard number we are given for time is that GRRM says there's a 5000 year long history somewhere. The Shattering very well could've happened centuries or even millenia before Elden Ring, which would still have the Greater Will be gone for quite some time.
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The "leading to abandonment by the GW" is what the people in the LB think. The Fingers themselves think they're communicating with it and have been for eons when it's not the case. The DLC makes it clear the GW was never involved with the GO, Marika or the LB at all outside of creating existence and maybe unleashing Astel onto the Nox. Metyr's whole deal is that she was never able to contact the GW and that was before Marika founded the Order and thus long before the Shattering.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
The "leading to abandonment by the GW" is what the people in the LB think. The Fingers themselves think they're communicating with it and have been for eons when it's not the case. The DLC makes it clear the GW was never involved with the GO, Marika or the LB at all outside of creating existence and maybe unleashing Astel onto the Nox. Metyr's whole deal is that she was never able to contact the GW and that was before Marika founded the Order and thus long before the Shattering.
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IIRC, we never really know when Metyr was abandoned as it was intentionally left vague.


So what Qaw says is a possibility to take into consideration given the item description and all
 
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