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Elden Ring General Discussion

ok finished up the game yesterday and dear lord is it cryptic, I still need to re-run it with every character to get a total grasp on the whole thing but from what I can tell from the ending we might be dealing with some tier 2 stuff considering the realms of the night lords seem to be a fully different spaces from the rest of the worlds we've been to due to certain things we see in the final cutscene


but overall great game a solid 8/10 solo expirence would even be a 9 if not for the massive preformance issues and the constant FPS cliff drops, OH! and the DS1 and 2 consmetics looks bloody great, raider looks like honest to god mountain when wearing havels armor (oh and now we can actually port high quality look ds 1,2 and 3 armors into elden ring so thats something).
 
Haven't beaten it but summary of my impressions so far would be;

Positives-Pretty fun, I kinda like the high-pace style, the new bosses are great. Music is awesome, amazing visuals. Character classes are enjoyable. Morgott dialogue is in the game. I could go into depth but what's being said here is being said everywhere so meh.

Negatives-Multiplayer is okay but very lacking. No cross-play, no duo's, no voice chat, the ping system sucks, at least it runs well but given that someone managed to make a seamless co-op mod for Elden Ring that's not saying much. I also don't like that you're basically forced to play multiplayer because solo gameplay just feels awful.

As I expected from what we saw leading up to this game, basically 90% of it is literally just copied and pasted from Elden Ring. Seeing Dark Souls crossing over is cool but it didn't seem to really lead to anything, they were just kinda there. I don't absolutely hate it or anything, Elden Ring is in my top 3 favorite games ever so like I can't be mad to see more of it, but it just feels like they kinda plastered things together in a rushed and somewhat half-assed way. Sure seeing old bosses with new moves is cool I guess but like it's still the same boss.

That aside, it is also a pretty repetitive gameplay loop after a while. The only thing that makes different runs actually feel different is the classes and of course Nightlord's. Easy to go through because the runs aren't that long but nevertheless, one of the reasons ER is in my tops is because it manages to not be super repetitive despite the general vibe and gameplay style always being the same, which is why I could complete every ending and get every achievement while still having fun.

The Nightlord's are awesome, however they remind me of Elden Beast in how much they run away.

Reusing items and weapons from Elden Ring is already questionable, but basically adding almost no new ones is just baffling.

And most of all:

This story is a MESS. With Elden Ring sure it was hard to follow the lore sometimes but I always felt like I had a decent grasp of what was happening and what the character's were about. Here I barely understand the story at all so far and there's very, and I mean very little context being given. The surface level plot of "The Shattering was bad, and lead to something bad that you have to stop" is simple enough but we just need more. Also the bosses not really having cutscenes or talking is just odd to me. Maybe there'll be more of this stuff later in the game but where I am it's just a letdown.

Overall I'd rate this game like a solid 6.5-7/10. It's not BAD but it's just like..."meh, it's fun". Shadow of the Erdtree crushes it.
 
I know why it is the way it is though. From what we heard before, this isn't really a Miyazaki game. It's by a trusted game director at FromSoftware trying to experiment with a new idea. It's a small-scope game which is why it costs 40 bucks instead of a full 60 dollar price tag, they UNDERSTAND that it's not a large scale title. Even so, I feel rather disappointed in it, not because I expected it to match Elden Ring of course, but because even for the standards I had put for it, I feel like it still fell a little short. It's a fun game, but that's it. There is nothing special about it, nothing I see so far that would make me say "This is a great game, I'll remember it". Elden Ring felt like a game where I got more than what I spent, where I felt lucky to even play it because it was such a masterclass of video games it's just in a league of its own, truly something unique.

Elden Ring Nightrein, putting it bluntly, feels like a neat idea one random guy in FromSoft had, that corporate money bugs grabbed onto seeing the success of Elden Ring, Miyazaki said "Sure, why not" and gave them a few pointers before going back to making more swamps, the team copied and pasted some things, shuffled some things together, made a decent basic Elden Ring rogue-like, and poured most of their modest budget into developing the Nightlord's, and this was the result. It wasn't something FromSoft gave a real shit about, it was just routine.
 
RinneItachi said:
I know why it is the way it is though. From what we heard before, this isn't really a Miyazaki game. It's by a trusted game director at FromSoftware trying to experiment with a new idea. It's a small-scope game which is why it costs 40 bucks instead of a full 60 dollar price tag, they UNDERSTAND that it's not a large scale title. Even so, I feel rather disappointed in it, not because I expected it to match Elden Ring of course, but because even for the standards I had put for it, I feel like it still fell a little short. It's a fun game, but that's it. There is nothing special about it, nothing I see so far that would make me say "This is a great game, I'll remember it". Elden Ring felt like a game where I got more than what I spent, where I felt lucky to even play it because it was such a masterclass of video games it's just in a league of its own, truly something unique.

Elden Ring Nightrein, putting it bluntly, feels like a neat idea one random guy in FromSoft had, that corporate money bugs grabbed onto seeing the success of Elden Ring, Miyazaki said "Sure, why not" and gave them a few pointers before going back to making more swamps, the team copied and pasted some things, shuffled some things together, made a decent basic Elden Ring rogue-like, and poured most of their modest budget into developing the Nightlord's, and this was the result. It wasn't something FromSoft gave a real shit about, it was just routine.
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This is kinda my issue, because tbh, they really have something here with Nightreign. They just don’t go the extra mile with it when it really would’ve made it truly special.
 
Since the Nightlord is stating to have affected time and space, does that grant him a particular tier?
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Since the Nightlord is stating to have affected time and space, does that grant him a particular tier?
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To go over stuff
The qualities of the Nightlord, bearing the manifest potential to alter fate itself.

The light dimly reveals the contourse - of a greater being that lies beyond the Nightlord.

Source: Traces of Night
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A clear sign of the Nightlord's presence, in the form of a terribly tattered rag.

Burned and worn down over a span of time untold, the hint of an impression once made by the engraving of an old sealing stone can be seen, but it is no longer legible.

The menial asked about an engraving. But how did he know there was one, before setting eyes upon it?

Source: Vestige of Night
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"A thing with the properties of a Great Rune harbored by the Primordial Nightlord.

The cutting-gifted tribe anticipated the coming night, and spent many a moon planning its prevention, concluding that their only chance at success was to cheat a god.

They had glimpsed what they should not; the very sin of the Erdtree. For their trespass, so were they punished."

Source: Primordial Nightlord's Rune
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As an assumption, this is basically the "original" timeline of Elden Ring.

The Nox actually did succeed in creating their Lord of Night, likely using the Old God that happened to come to the Lands Between during the Shattering. Which is why the Nightlord rose from the Nox cities:

Long ago, the Nox invoked the ire of the Greater Will, and were banished deep underground. Now they live under a false night sky, in eternal anticipation of their liege. Of the coming age of the stars. And their Lord of Night.

Source: Night Maiden Twin Crown.
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The Nightlord's power mimics that of a God, and he possesses a pseudo-Great Rune, which we know controls the Laws of reality. When the Nightlord emerged, he flooded the Lands Between in rain, which destabilized time and space. Using his Great Rune, the Nightfarers became Grace itself and went back in time, preventing the Nox's Lord from working by changing the mind of the Old God, which is why it turned around and left the lands.

As a guess regarding the tier, the Nightlord, as an artificial God would be 4-A like Miquella/Marika and his Great Tune space-time hax up to Low 2-C if you think he managed to get the Elden Ring/expand his control over all of reality. I'm guessing since Grace still exists, Marika/Radagon is still alive but not for long. If the PCs don't stop the Nightlord he'll eventually become the new God by getting the Elden Ring which is why the world will end, but that's not directly supported afaik.
 
Hum so up there with the god tiers. Nice

But what's about the Old God stuff? Do we actually see one? Is it the giant from the ending? Was it confirmed somewhere?
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
But what's about the Old God stuff? Do we actually see one? Is it the giant from the ending? Was it confirmed somewhere?
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That's the assumption I've seen. They all march towards the Nightlord, and the weapons that are in the background seem to be theirs, which is where the Old God weapons from Elden Ring seemingly came from. But I'm not sure if anything directly calls them Old Gods to my knowledge, they're just called that due to their size and the background weapons.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The Nightlord's power mimics that of a God, and he possesses a pseudo-Great Rune, which we know controls the Laws of reality. When the Nightlord emerged, he flooded the Lands Between in rain, which destabilized time and space. Using his Great Rune, the Nightfarers became Grace itself and went back in time, preventing the Nox's Lord from working by changing the mind of the Old God, which is why it turned around and left the lands.

As a guess regarding the tier, the Nightlord, as an artificial God would be 4-A like Miquella/Marika and his Great Tune space-time hax up to Low 2-C if you think he managed to get the Elden Ring/expand his control over all of reality. I'm guessing since Grace still exists, Marika/Radagon is still alive but not for long. If the PCs don't stop the Nightlord he'll eventually become the new God by getting the Elden Ring which is why the world will end, but that's not directly supported afaik.
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I'd also like to mention the shard of night's item description, although I can't seem to find it anywhere on the wiki. It describes the night as something immeasurable in scale, although whether or not this is a testament to its vastness or if it just near impossible for characters to comprehend I'm unsure of.

I'd also like to mention that grace isn't a sign of Marika or Radagon, but rather the Erdtree, and by proxy the Elden Ring (and by further proxy the Greater Will).
 
Chritin said:
I'd also like to mention that grace isn't a sign of Marika or Radagon, but rather the Erdtree, and by proxy the Elden Ring (and by further proxy the Greater Will).
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The rain as of the game is slowly withering away the Erdtree and if its not stopped it to will be lost. Which is where I was getting the grace stuff from. Based on the large number of twisted roots and new trees, the Erdtree is being replaced by whatever the Nox Trees are.
 
Kinda wanna make a profile on Adel, not sure how youd calculate the sky change though, for someone like Libras its fairly simple sense its just the clouds but Adels im not too sure what is going on with.
 
"The night belonging to Adel, left upon his defeat.

The power of its namesake can be unlocked by performing a relic rite.

The dragon was nothing less than a wonder of the natural world. Majestic in size and bearing, it was the apex predator of the old island upon which it roosted.

But when the sky began to weep in hues of azure, all was lost. There was nothing left to feed upon, leaving only hunger, which grew into madness. A ravening unending."

-Night of Baron Relic Description

Well goddamn, imagine being stuck on the same island as the thing that can turn the sky into THAT
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The rain as of the game is slowly withering away the Erdtree and if its not stopped it to will be lost. Which is where I was getting the grace stuff from. Based on the large number of twisted roots and new trees, the Erdtree is being replaced by whatever the Nox Trees are.
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The Erdtree is quite literally gone at the point of Nightreign, to the point where the Duchess asks Executor to find the Golden seed of a new Erdtree in the mountaintop. In which case, then I suppose it's just the Elden Ring and the Greater Will which are supporting grace at this point.

IAmNotBread said:
"The night belonging to Adel, left upon his defeat.

The power of its namesake can be unlocked by performing a relic rite.

The dragon was nothing less than a wonder of the natural world. Majestic in size and bearing, it was the apex predator of the old island upon which it roosted.

But when the sky began to weep in hues of azure, all was lost. There was nothing left to feed upon, leaving only hunger, which grew into madness. A ravening unending."

-Night of Baron Relic Description

Well goddamn, imagine being stuck on the same island as the thing that can turn the sky into THAT
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It's interesting to note how all of the Nightlords seem to become them by surviving the Ring of Rain itself. It seems like certain beings that can persist through it can then facets of its power.
 
Speaking of the nightlords, would you all say the other 6 nightlords are stronger than gladius? or are all of them besides the final one equal in power and Gladius just so happened to be the first one we face.
 
IAmNotBread said:
Speaking of the nightlords, would you all say the other 6 nightlords are stronger than gladius? or are all of them besides the final one equal in power and Gladius just so happened to be the first one we face.
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In terms of directional scaling? Yeah I guess so. But the Nightfarers are really equally terrified of all the Nightlords, minus Heolstor himself. Wylder who is actually scared shitless by them (since he said he only thinks he's survived off luck) is pretty non-chalant of having to face more Nightlrods akin to Gladius.
 
Since it goes Dog -> Other Six -> Lord of Night

The scaling would be
  • Dog: 7-A, likely High 4-C (Scaling above Morgott)
  • Other Night Lords: At least 7-A / Whatever the Cloud stuff gets, likely High 4-C
  • Lord of Night: High 6-B, likely 4-A
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Since it goes Dog -> Other Six -> Lord of Night

The scaling would be
  • Dog: 7-A, likely High 4-C (Scaling above Morgott)
  • Other Night Lords: At least 7-A / Whatever the Cloud stuff gets, likely High 4-C
  • Lord of Night: High 6-B, likely 4-A
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Heolstor is probably higher cause of Night shenanigans, but I agree
 
Am I the only one getting notified that I can't play online cause of some server issue.

Was forced to play solo, didn't go well. This game definitely needed some polishing.
 
RinneItachi said:
Am I the only one getting notified that I can't play online cause of some server issue.

Was forced to play solo, didn't go well. This game definitely needed some polishing.
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There’s a patch for it in the coming days I thought
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
The Night stuff might just be its own tier honestly or via ED
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Ngl I wasn't in battle board mode and read ED differently

For the rain I do agree that it seems more like Environmental Destruction than outright AP. The fact that the Lord of Night takes so long (relatively) to mess up the world implies that he can just one shot the universe or something like that.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Ngl I wasn't in battle board mode and read ED differently

For the rain I do agree that it seems more like Environmental Destruction than outright AP. The fact that the Lord of Night takes so long (relatively) to mess up the world implies that he can just one shot the universe or something like that.
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Imo it’s very similar to the Frenzied Flame and how it monotonously destroys things
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Ngl I wasn't in battle board mode and read ED differently
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Qawsedf234 said:
For the rain I do agree that it seems more like Environmental Destruction than outright AP. The fact that the Lord of Night takes so long (relatively) to mess up the world implies that he can just one shot the universe or something like that.
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Well at least we know his mere existence is affecting space and time themselves
 
Btw despite my earlier messages I'm loving Nightrein. My enjoyment and what I think about a game's quality are very different.

Though I gotta say even for FromSoft standards this is very hard. If you're playing it solo I think it crushes previous games in terms of difficulty, but even in multiplayer it's not easy. Though of course it's very RNG based as well.
 
"In addition to the DLC releasing later this year, new additions will be gradually implemented, including enhanced fights against existing Nightlords starting this month, as well as Duo Expeditions at a later date.
Thank you for your support, Nightfarers."

Oh my god, with knowing the fact theres an unused 3rd part of every nightlords OST.... the Nightlords are getting a third phase holy hell.
 
IAmNotBread said:
"In addition to the DLC releasing later this year, new additions will be gradually implemented, including enhanced fights against existing Nightlords starting this month, as well as Duo Expeditions at a later date.
Thank you for your support, Nightfarers."

Oh my god, with knowing the fact theres an unused 3rd part of every nightlords OST.... the Nightlords are getting a third phase holy hell.
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well time to pummle them back into dust when that happens.
 
IAmNotBread said:
"In addition to the DLC releasing later this year, new additions will be gradually implemented, including enhanced fights against existing Nightlords starting this month, as well as Duo Expeditions at a later date.
Thank you for your support, Nightfarers."

Oh my god, with knowing the fact theres an unused 3rd part of every nightlords OST.... the Nightlords are getting a third phase holy hell.
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Just to make sure since ppl will probably ask for a source if pressed
 
You know, the more I watch Heolstor's battle, the more it looks like he's actually physically cutting space with his sword.



You can see it around the 3rd minute mark here. At 3:01, he crosses his arm over his chest and gathers dark energy with his sword and at 3:06, he performs a slash that cuts space open and you can see the arm moving when he does it.

Though later, he performs the move again and it seems he does it from a distance at 4:28 but he still bends his arm over his chest and perform a slash to do it. Considering movements are involved and he isn't projecting energy, it really seems he is literally cutting space
 
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So here's what I've noted for Heolstor for now in terms of abilities :

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Expert Combatant, Weapon Mastery, Energy Projection (With his Moonlight (?) Sword, innate powers and Magic), Darkness Manipulation, Magic (He can use the Rain of Stars spell), Elemental Absorption/Manipulation, Levitation, Teleportation, Acrobatics

I believe we can also give him Reality Warping and maybe Life Creation since he's the origin of the Night and the Nightlords all come from it
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
origin of the Night and the Nightlords all come from it
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I'm not sure if these are justifications. All of the Nightlords predates the Night and were enhanced by it. He didn't create any of them. Same with the new enemies, they're not creations as much as summons from other areas due to space-time breaking down.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I'm not sure if these are justifications. All of the Nightlords predates the Night and were enhanced by it. He didn't create any of them. Same with the new enemies, they're not creations as much as summons from other areas due to space-time breaking down.
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Fair enough then
 
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