Satoru Gojo (The Honored One) Vs Makima (The Control Devil) (Jujutsu Kaisen Vs Chainsaw Man) [49-37-7]

[EnderLord8]

gojo fra

 

[Epiccheev]

Coca cola hair vs pepsi eyes

 

[Gyozu]

Me waiting JJK showing something as impressive as Falling Devil (they gonna seek help from Yuki just to get neg diff Kenjaku-style again)

This demon is superestimed.
Besides, he wouldn't beat thes strongests in JJK.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

This demon is superestimed.
Besides, he wouldn't beat thes strongests in JJK.

Gojo going through a flashback of his friend Geto dying by his hand for the 100th time while flying towards the Sun:

Like seriously, no one in JJK is ever hoping of even touching a primal fear and come out alive. Aging vs the whole JJK verse spitematch next

Edit: Also that's a "she" for you, don't disrespect mommy Falling like that.

 

[Giannysmag]

Gojo going through a flashback of his friend Geto dying by his hand for the 100th time while flying towards the Sun:

Like seriously, no one in JJK is ever hoping of even touching a primal fear and come out alive. Aging vs the whole JJK verse spitematch next

The Six Eyes would let him see through it, trust

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

The Six Eyes would let him see through it, trust

After the horrendous 236, the Six Eyes has became the S*x Eyes bro... Gege nerfed Gojo way too much...

Wait, now I realized that currently Falling could just rip Gojo apart with her Telekinesis

 

[GodEarh206]

This demon is superestimed.
Besides, he wouldn't beat thes strongests in JJK

Nah, Falling Devil easily slams all of them

 

[Keshirou]

Nah, Falling Devil easily slams all of them

Kenjaku slaps that bum

 

[GodEarh206]

Kenjaku slaps that bum

ok you can try

 

[Giannysmag]

After the horrendous 236, the Six Eyes has became the S*x Eyes bro... Gege nerfed Gojo way too much...

Gojo would have likely dodged it if he wasn't off guard and high as ****

Kenjaku slaps that bum

This but unironically

 

[GunshyFever]

Kenjaku slaps that bum

We can always test this

 

[ElajRuengies]

Watch this be like 20 pages

Welp.

Anywho I'm not reading 22 pages, what's stopping Makima from just Bio Manip/Mold Devil-ing Gojo? (Brain RCT is not enough as Mold is specifically anti-regeneration, and it's proven as Makima can cause Darkness to spew blood from every orifice and stumble, despite Darkness constantly regenerating while in the dark)

Edit: Nevermind, Gunshy already mentioned this, Voting Makima FRA. Vote is now [23 - 21 - 3].

Someone could do the funniest thing ever and put this back to incon grace

:]

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

We can always test this

Welp, there goes another 129812301 pages thread

 

[Razor]

Welp, there goes another 129812301 pages thread

Its not, theres 2 more votes for gojo that has not yet been counted. its 25-21 rn, still gojo grace

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I should just create a Kenjaku vs Falling Devil thread and migrate everyone here to there instead (so that this match could reach incon for god's sake)

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Its not, theres 2 more votes for gojo that has not yet been counted. its 25-21 rn, still gojo grace

You replied to the wrong person, but welp

 

[Razor]

You replied to the wrong person, but welp

Were you not implying that the thread has reached incon grace? Thats what I understood from your comment, I didnt even see the other post

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Were you not implying that the thread has reached incon grace? Thats what I understood from your comment, I didnt even see the other post

I meant that Kenjaku vs Falling is gonna be another 30 pages long thread.

 

[Razor]

I meant that Kenjaku vs Falling is gonna be another 30 pages long thread.

Alright

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

All those who voted Makima should just migrate to incon instead

 

[GodEarh206]

I meant that Kenjaku vs Falling is gonna be another 30 pages long thread.

 

[Jaynic1]

I meant that Kenjaku vs Falling is gonna be another 30 pages long thread.

anti gravity gg

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Kind of funny that Kenjaku has basically just the right hax to counter Falling devil

 

[GunshyFever]

Everything but Suicide inducement

 

[Jaynic1]

Kind of funny that Kenjaku has basically just the right hax to counter Falling devil

Exact same situation with yuki, bro's plot armor is working even against other verses

 

[Jaynic1]

How long until grace ends?

 

[GunshyFever]

Never

we're aiming for 100 votes

Keep it coming guys, we have potential to make this big big.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Everything but Suicide inducement

Eh sorcerers can resist mind manip and empath/fear manip so he probably could resist it

 

[GunshyFever]

Eh sorcerers can resist mind manip and empath/fear manip so he probably could resist it

Aw, so they'll practically be playing tennis then.

 

[Keshirou]

This but unironically

Im saying that without irony tho.

 

[FinePoint]

I was asked to comment here, but given the discussion is 22 pages long, I would highly appreciate if someone could summarize both sides of the debate for me.

 

[Jaynic1]

I was asked to comment here, but given the discussion is 22 pages long, I would highly appreciate if someone could summarize both sides of the debate for me.

Makima's main win con is her bio death stare she used on darkness devil. She also has a 17x reaction speed advantage so she'll have the initiative.

The counter arguments is that gojo has already healed brain hemorrhaging 5 times so its unproven this would one shot him.

Gojo's main win con is using red,blue or purple since his ap gaps her durability by a mile, any of those attacks landing would destroy her beyond her ability to ressurect.

The counter argument is that he wont get the chance to attack her since she'll kill him with her bio death stare first.

 

[Jaynic1]

Makima's main win con is her bio death stare she used on darkness devil. She also has a 17x reaction speed advantage so she'll have the initiative.

The counter arguments is that gojo has already healed brain hemorrhaging 5 times so its unproven this would one shot him.

Gojo's main win con is using red,blue or purple since his ap gaps her durability by a mile, any of those attacks landing would destroy her beyond her ability to ressurect.

The counter argument is that he wont get the chance to attack her since she'll kill him with her bio death stare first.

Also, its also unclear she would start with this attack. If you think gojo's status as the strongest will make her treat him the same as a primal devil then she starts with it. If you think she'll treat him like the gun devil and activate her future sight as her first move, then proceed to see her get herself pasted by an invis attack (she cant see cursed techniques) then she'll start with her strongest. She may start with bang or one of her numerous haxes.

 

[FinePoint]

Makima's main win con is her bio death stare she used on darkness devil. She also has a 17x reaction speed advantage so she'll have the initiative.

The counter arguments is that gojo has already healed brain hemorrhaging 5 times so its unproven this would one shot him.

Gojo's main win con is using red,blue or purple since his ap gaps her durability by a mile, any of those attacks landing would destroy her beyond her ability to ressurect.

The counter argument is that he wont get the chance to attack her since she'll kill him with her bio death stare first.

I see. And the death stare just causes brain hemorrhaging?

How long does it take them to heal it?

 

[GunshyFever]

I was asked to comment here, but given the discussion is 22 pages long, I would highly appreciate if someone could summarize both sides of the debate for me.

Here's the unbiased review:

Hmm, fair enough. Also haven't watched the anime in a while so forgot about that scene.

Anyways, yeah fair enough on bio point being a valid wincon. Though, still gonna keep my vote for Gojo primarily because of what Razor said earlier about Makima's bag of tricks being massive and the fact that there's only about 1 or 2 actual wincons in it making it kind of bad for a quick draw when basically Gojo's entire kit would kill her, especially considering it's a range fight where he's more likely to use those one shot attacks. If this was countered/brought up earlier and I missed it, tell me cause honestly this thread is a clusterfuck to read through.

Yeah, that’s reasonable. I’ll stick with my vote for Makima solely due to her faster reaction speeds and the likelihood of her using Bio point as her initial attack. As for refuting Gojo, I know there are some people in this thread who did, like Acertainbcplayer, so you could probably ask him. I mainly kept up with my back and forth with Razor and had a few minor conversations with other users.

That's a very short summary of everything quite frankly. (Razor had a better summary, but i couldn't find it)

 

[Jaynic1]

I see. And the death stare just causes brain hemorrhaging?

How long does it take them to heal it?

this is is what it does to an opponent If you think that looks like more damage to the brain than this then gojo cant heal it at all and will just die. But if he does survive imo it would take a a couple seconds to heal.

 

[GunshyFever]

How long does it take them to heal it?

There's two abilities, bio stare and bio point.

We agreed that if Makima used Bio stare, Gojo would endure through and win.

However we are currently in the process of arguing if bio point instantly killing Gojo and if Makima would actually start off with it.

 

[FinePoint]

There's two abilities, bio stare and bio point.

We agreed that if Makima used Bio stare, Gojo would endure through and win.

However we are currently in the process of arguing if bio point instantly killing Gojo and if Makima would actually start off with it.

Well what's the difference?

 

[Jaynic1]

There's two abilities, bio stare and bio point.

We agreed that if Makima used Bio stare, Gojo would endure through and win.

However we are currently in the process of arguing if bio point instantly killing Gojo and if Makima would actually start off with it.

Is it really two abilities or just different intensity? It literally does the exact same thing, screw your brain up to the point you blead massive blood from your extremities

 

[GunshyFever]

Currently discussing bio stare starting from here:

Alright here we go.

Yeah, we did quantify the damage it inflicts. Going over the discussion, we agreed that it was based on a cerebral hemorrhage.

In these panels, we see the yakuza freeze mid punch, his face then followed by fountains of blood surging from his nostrils and mouth as Makima stares at him. The injury must be entirely internal and must occur high enough in the head or neck to send blood out of both the nasal passages and the oropharynx. The most accurate clinical analogue is a sudden intracranial vessel rupture, either a large intraparenchymal bleed (a type of stroke where blood leaks into the brain tissue itself).

Given the fact that the yakuza is left limp and unresponsive rather than instantly dead, what most closely matches is a ruptured cerebral artery that produces a large volume subarachnoid haemorrhage.
Which I already explain here:

Now we're focusing on what this causes (aka more in depth explanation), which is a subarachnoid haemorrhage. So try to picture your brain wrapped in three thin layers. Between the middle layer called the arachnoid membrane and the innermost layer that hugs the brain lies a narrow fluid filled cushion known as the subarachnoid space. That fluid called cerebrospinal fluid, acts like shock absorbing water which keeps the brain from banging against the skull. Sometimes, a blood vessel in a loop of arteries at the base of the brain develops a weak berry shaped bulge called a saccular or "berry" aneurysm. If that bulge suddenly bursts, fast moving arterial blood jets into the subarachnoid space, mixing with the cerebrospinal fluid and sharply raising the pressure inside the skull, known as intracranial pressure. People may pass out or develop trouble moving or speaking and sometimes experience seizures. Doctors call this whole event a subarachnoid hemorrhage which is a medical emergency because the rising pressure and loss of blood flow can damage the brain within minutes.

What makes Makima’s "bio stare" much deadlier than any real world subarachnoid hemorrhage is that she strips away every natural brake the human body or a trauma team normally has. In real life, the danger starts with an existing weakness. For example, a berry aneurysm has to form over years before it can burst. Makima skips that waiting period by instantaneously rupturing a vessel that was perfectly healthy seconds earlier. It's lethal because it unleashes the worst case version of a subarachnoid haemorrhage all at once and with no time for the body or doctors to fight back. When an intracranial artery tears, pressurized blood explodes into the subarachnoid space faster than cerebrospinal fluid can drain away. Pressure inside the skull skyrockets, squeezing the entire brain as if it were caught in a vice. Within seconds that pressure forces the lower part of the brain (the brainstem, the switchboard for breathing, heart rate and consciousness) downward through a fixed bony opening. It's called herniation and it cuts off the brain stem’s own blood supply and short circuits its life support, the victim stops breathing and the heart soon follows.

Alright, so now I quantified the damage it inflicts, what else?

You bring up the point of Hakari healing his brain, but that’s an entirely different context. Kashimo’s lightning chars a coin sized patch of Hakari’s cerebral cortex, it’s a surface burn plus some localized necrosis judging from the panel. The rest of his intracranial pressure, blood flow and autonomic centers remain normal, so as long as his jackpot keeps pumping, he can knit that patch back together. He ONLY heals because of the jackpot otherwise, anyone hit with this would die instantly and wouldn’t be able to use RCT at all. Especially considering he healed it in the moment, which requires regen speed and as you said, Gojo and Sukuna plausibly would not or could not match that speed when healing a similar brain injury.

Meanwhile, Makima ruptures a deep midline artery, floods the entire subarachnoid space in milliseconds, spikes intracranial pressure and causes herniation. When the medulla is starved of blood, breathing halts. Five-ish mins later, every neuron is dead.

Also, you have a misconception about reaction speed, so I'll just link you back to what I told Razor:

And don’t forget, the ability Makima uses is far worse than the bio stare. See here:

Was planning to respond to your response to my wincons but I'm having a headache so ill probably do it later.

I'm busy, but I do plan to reply pretty soon.