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Satoru Gojo (The Honored One) Vs Makima (The Control Devil) (Jujutsu Kaisen Vs Chainsaw Man) [49-37-7]

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GunshyFever said:
Yeah, I agree with you when it comes to Gojo actually enduring her glare for a good while. However, the point I'm making is that Gojo would either die or be instantly incapacitated by the bio point.

As for your question, we know the damage spreads out over time, considering the nature of Makima’s attack. With the bio stare, it actually takes several seconds before the opponent becomes incapacitated. However, look at the Darkness Devil panel. He’s a Primal Fear who doesnt need blood for regeneration and has the highest endurance in the series.

Alright, let me try give you a scenario. Look at the scene where Makima takes out 4 opponents with the bio stare, they each drop dead individually right? This suggests that Makima can only focus on one simulated brain at a time. But with the Darkness Devil, instead of taking minimal damage over several seconds like the others, he just slumps over as multiple faces erupt with blood instantaneously.

This clearly shows that it’s a single attack that spreads out, hence the instantaneous damage and reaction in Darkness’s case. You can even see him slumped in a puddle of blood from how much he lost.
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Hmm, fair enough. Also haven't watched the anime in a while so forgot about that scene.

Anyways, yeah fair enough on bio point being a valid wincon. Though, still gonna keep my vote for Gojo primarily because of what Razor said earlier about Makima's bag of tricks being massive and the fact that there's only about 1 or 2 actual wincons in it making it kind of bad for a quick draw when basically Gojo's entire kit would kill her, especially considering it's a range fight where he's more likely to use those one shot attacks. If this was countered/brought up earlier and I missed it, tell me cause honestly this thread is a clusterfuck to read through.

Also quick question but doesn't Makima need to have the bodies of the people she's controlling connected via chains to utilize their abilities? Doesn't that kind of throw a wrench into using future sight cause she'd need Aki's body or are we just assuming she starts already attached with everything?
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Hmm, fair enough. Also haven't watched the anime in a while so forgot about that scene.

Anyways, yeah fair enough on bio point being a valid wincon. Though, still gonna keep my vote for Gojo primarily because of what Razor said earlier about Makima's bag of tricks being massive and the fact that there's only about 1 or 2 actual wincons in it making it kind of bad for a quick draw when basically Gojo's entire kit would kill her, especially considering it's a range fight where he's more likely to use those one shot attacks. If this was countered/brought up earlier and I missed it, tell me cause honestly this thread is a clusterfuck to read through.
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Yeah, that’s reasonable. I’ll stick with my vote for Makima solely due to her faster reaction speeds and the likelihood of her using Bio point as her initial attack. As for refuting Gojo, I know there are some people in this thread who did, like Acertainbcplayer, so you could probably ask him. I mainly kept up with my back and forth with Razor and had a few minor conversations with other users.
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Also quick question but doesn't Makima need to have the bodies of the people she's controlling connected via chains to utilize their abilities? Doesn't that kind of throw a wrench into using future sight cause she'd need Aki's body or are we just assuming she starts already attached with everything?
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Not really, she needs the chains for more direct control over their bodies. Other than that, all she needs to do is steal their ability for herself, like she did with Angel. And that takes the control chains first, which she has already done.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Anyways, yeah fair enough on bio point being a valid wincon. Though, still gonna keep my vote for Gojo primarily because of what Razor said earlier about Makima's bag of tricks being massive and the fact that there's only about 1 or 2 actual wincons in it making it kind of bad for a quick draw when basically Gojo's entire kit would kill her, especially considering it's a range fight where he's more likely to use those one shot attacks. If this was countered/brought up earlier and I missed it, tell me cause honestly this thread is a clusterfuck to read through
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I also want to say that, although there are only 1 or 2, both of these are faster casting times and they can reduce Gojo's CE output, reducing CE output means Gojo will lose quite a bit of advantage, reducing is one, Gojo also can't recover as fast as Darkness Devil can to immediately counterattack Makima
 
You all know how hard it is for Sorcerers to stabilize their CE output with Black Flash, something that is released "Randomly" when CE output is reduced.

but really i have little time right now and i am very sleepy
 
GodEarh206 said:
I also want to say that, although there are only 1 or 2, both of these are faster casting times and they can reduce Gojo's CE output, reducing CE output means Gojo will lose quite a bit of advantage, reducing is one, Gojo also can't recover as fast as Darkness Devil can to immediately counterattack Makima
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Bio point can straight kill him so gonna ignore that one but with bio stare, he endured a similar effect and kept fighting Sukuna for a while like I said previously. Even then he'd have enough strength to still one shot Makima. Sukuna was still strong enough that he could one shot characters above Makima's durability after his fight with Gojo and that was after he took even more damage from Gojo like the Hollow Purple, black flashes, several reds and blues, lost half his CE reserves, and had Yuji drop his output even more. A loss in CE output due to bio stare wouldn't be a make or break for him.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Bro look at the votes in op now
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I'm ngl, healing even the pointing bio-manip isn't that difficult. No one has quantified the damage it inflicts. Only that it is more lethal than being stabbed in the brain (Which doesn't mean it inflicts more damage btw. You can be more lethal without inflicting the same amount of damage when one literally involves blood pooling inside of an encased wound that basically floods your brain). Hakari literally RCT'd from part of his brain ******* EXPLODING from a lightning strike and simply blew it out of his nose. Maki alone has mid passive regen, and she can heal organ/internal damage in a little over 5 minutes. Someone might say Hakari's RCT is an exception, but IIRC, there's a statement that his RCT is only faster in spee, not in actual potency than top tiers like Sukuna and Gojo (And even then Gojo's is so fast he can RCT from millions of slashes hitting his body a second).

So I'm not really convinced unquantifiable damage that causes people to bleed out their nose and mouth (Seriously, nosebleeds can be caused by a LOT of stuff) is more destructive than statements of people regenerating a chunk of their brain after destroying it, being stabbed in the brain by a knife, and being actively blown up by lightning.

Personally can't see Gojo not killing Makima by just spawning Blue on her instantly, which he can do. Reaction speed is how quickly you can react to something (hence the name), not act. Being 10+x faster doesn't mean she can run through tens of options before Gojo can do one thing. It means she can react to his attacks. However, she won't have the time to do that because she literally can't see his attacks, and he can spawn blue directly on her with a thought. She's not reacting to that icl.
 
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