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Satoru Gojo (The Honored One) Vs Makima (The Control Devil) (Jujutsu Kaisen Vs Chainsaw Man) [49-37-7]

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Razor said:
Cause bio hax is her main wincon. BFR's too slow (Both for the hell devil and the eternity devil), Mold is even slower that, And Makima dies after she utters Halloween once. For the full extent of Cosmo's ability to work she has to charge it up like a Kamehameha, its not working here. That's why the bio hax point stayed and the rest didn't get talked about after that.

I even mentioned the western standoff analogy where Makima only has 1 bullet (Bio hax), nobody contested it by saying "No, Makima has more bullets". The argument against it was that Makima would shoot first.
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Still probably better to mention potential win cons or just bump the wincon lists for Makima and gojo since makima’s wincon list is still being bumped in page 10 by gunshy
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Still probably better to mention potential win cons or just bump the wincon lists for Makima and gojo since makima’s wincon list is still being bumped in page 10 by gunshy
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We did not argue over the wincons for who knows how many pages just to post Gunshy's entire list anyways, cause then what was the point of our discussion? The point of our back forth was me attacking his wincon list and him defending it. At the end, Bio hax remained her wincon and the arguments backing it up were Precog + Faster reaction speed. While on Gojo's side his wincons were practically everything in his arsenal, and as a secondary point I brought up him healing brain damage to say he could at least survive through Makima's main wincon for a few seconds, enough to retaliate with red.
 
Razor said:
We did not argue over the wincons for who knows how many pages just to post Gunshy's entire list anyways, cause then what was the point of our discussion? The point of our back forth was me attacking his wincon list and him defending it. At the end, Bio hax remained her wincon and the arguments backing it up were Precog + Faster reaction speed. While on Gojo's side his wincons were practically everything in his arsenal, and as a secondary point I brought up him healing brain damage to say he could at least survive through Makima's main wincon for a few seconds, enough to retaliate with red.
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Erm
GunshyFever said:
Not at all. His only issue is that Gojo could probably kill Makima before she can utilize her variety of wincons. We discussed and eventually came to the conclusion that there was nothing wrong with the wincons themselves.
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This was all page 10
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Erm
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Well, thats just not true.
Razor said:
How does her reaction speed helps her pull the trigger faster, exactly? She can react faster, that's all. If we think of this like a mexican standoff, Gojo has a gun with 4 chambers and he has 3 bullets loaded in. Out of his 4 common starting moves, 3 would kill Makima. Makima has a gun with who knows how many chambers and only 1 bullet loaded in, her 1 bullet being the darkness devil bio manip.

This isn't who activate who's first, Its "Can Makima luck out and use her singular wincon ability out of a plethora of options before Gojo kills her with any of his moves?" and its just plain unlikely.
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I blatantly state here that Makima has one wincon. Gunshy's response was "Makima would strike first" and "Makima would start with the bio hax" (which I disagreed with). He didn't say "Makima has more wincons" as a rebuttal. To be clear, I did concede on one point, which was Princi's BFR, because the profiles said so. But that doesn't mean I thought it was a plausible wincon, because if I did I would've said Makima had two wincons. Makima sending princi to hell and commanding her to summon gojo would take longer than Gojo just using red
 
Razor said:
I see, then. Gojo loses the quickdraw but the same issue with Gojo's wincons being more likely than Makima's still remain. She has many options she could start with, yet only 1 that would give her the win.
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Here's another instance of me saying Makima has 1 wincon, this was Gunshy's response:
GunshyFever said:
That depends on how you feel. Do you think Makima would consider that move? It's definitely up there as one of her strongest, considering it was her trump card against a primal fear. In my interpretation, yes, it would be, but the final factor depends on your subjective opinion of how you think Makima would most logically go about winning.
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Basically, we didn't come to the conclusion that were nothing wrong with Gunshy's wincons, at all. By the end, the argument came down to Bio hax vs Anything in Gojo's arsenal. Makima had the advantage of having higher reaction speed and precog, her disadvantage was that there was a hundred other abilities she could use before Bio hax. If you think she'll pick it before her other options, its up to you, this is where me and gunshy left off. Gojo's advantage was that all of his starting moves would paste makima.
 
Razor said:
Here's another instance of me saying Makima has 1 wincon, this was Gunshy's response:

Basically, we didn't come to the conclusion that were nothing wrong with Gunshy's wincons, at all. By the end, the argument came down to Bio hax vs Anything in Gojo's arsenal. Makima had the advantage of having higher reaction speed and precog, her disadvantage was that there was a hundred other abilities she could use before Bio hax. If you think she'll pick it before her other options, it’s up to you, this is where me and gunshy left off. Gojo's advantage was that all of his starting moves would paste makima.
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It really just looks like yall never reached a mutual conclusion if gunshy themself is still reposting the entire list and makima supporters are stil running with the other wincons as well while both of yall saying the opposite of each other. It doesn’t really matter if I think she’ll pick other options because the summary doesn’t list her “potentials” in the first place for new people to know.
 
GunshyFever said:
Alright, I'm going to be the one to write Makima's win cons. Feel free to respond however you like or debunk them, since there's a chance I may or may not be active in this thread. I'll go through this bit by bit.

Important note - Makima can also use the abilities of those under her influence, whether they are alive or deceased, even if the abilities originate from devils they had contracts with. Meaning once she takes control of a devil, she can use that devil’s abilities as her own, even after their death, as shown in the scans above. (This is one her profile) So please keep this in mind for the takes below.​


Makima's wincons​

1) Biological Manipulation -

Makima can mess with Gojo's internal organs, including critical ones like the brain. This can severely disrupt his ability to use RCT, focus during battle and formulate strategies, causing him to underperform and not fight at his full potential. This ability is rarely used a, but given that she's aware of Gojo’s threat level, it’s more likely she'll use the stronger version of this technique, a focused point attack.

Just to clarify: this is not accepted as "Bang," and in general, it should not be confused with "Bang." Now, this ability spontaneously explodes or severely disrupts the target's internal organs from the inside out. In the Chainsaw Man universe, it was powerful enough to harm the Darkness Devil, a Primal Fear. That alone implies Gojo is in serious danger if he gets hit by this, potentially resulting in instant death or at least incapacitation.

Makima tends to reserve this technique for powerful opponents like Primal Fears, as seen in her fight against the Darkness Devil, where it hindered him significantly. It's a real possibility that Gojo's high status would prompt Makima to use this win con to kill him or push him to the brink of death and utilize her Conquest. And no, Gojo "refreshing his mind" won’t help. Makima’s Conquest is supernatural and not tied to the brain in specific, it cannot be nullified by simply refreshing his brain with RCT and character's like Reze have done the same where they explode their brains, but still remain under the influence of Conquest.

2) BFR (Hell Devil ver) -

The Hell Devil does not require physical contact to remove opponents from the battlefield, which makes it especially useful. Simply removing Gojo bypasses the problem of Infinity, turning the obstacle and its source into a single issue that can be quickly resolved. Makima can achieve this by either forcing her Conquest ability onto the Hell Devil to make it do her bidding, as she typically does or by sacrificing multiple Devil Hunters, with the latter being the more reliable method.

This ability has a moderate chance of being used. Once Makima realizes she can’t harm Gojo with her primary attacks, such as "Bang," which is generally accepted as a form of telekinetic force, she may opt to remove the problem entirely by summoning the Hell Devil to drag Gojo into Hell, effectively neutralizing him.

2.1) BFR (Hell Devil + Princi) -

To make the ability execute more smoothly and efficiently, Makima can send Princi to Hell and order her to summon Gojo through one of her zippers. This makes the BFR far safer and more effective, minimizing the risk of pressured or tampered by Gojo.

2.2) BFR (Eternity Devil) -

This strategy is essentially a more refined version of the Prison Realm, think of it as Prison Realm 2.0 with bug fixes. All Makima needs to do is lure Gojo into a structure, such as a building or other infrastructure. She can do this using her animal manipulation abilities. Through lower lifeforms like a pack of rats, she can travel between locations and use them as mediums to lure Gojo into a chosen spot.

Once Gojo enters the targeted location, Makima can set up a trap using the Eternity Devil. She can then escape via her interdimensional travel while Gojo becomes trapped in a space similar to the Prison Realm, where he can be left to die. Notably, Makima can also prevent the Eternity Devil from revealing itself, as seen in the aquarium arc.

This ability has a moderate chance of being used, roughly on par with the Hell Devil tactic. If Makima realizes she can't deal with Gojo’s Infinity directly, she’s likely to lean into her versatility in her controlled abilities to remove him from the fight altogether.

3) Organic Manipulation -

This ability allows Makima, after drawing blood from her hand, to grow a mold inside Gojo's body, one that cannot be healed or regenerated. This serves as either an instant win con or a massive hindrance to Gojo’s focus, physical condition and overall performance.

Makima can also use this ability more creatively by directing her minions through this devil to grow mold in Gojo’s body from multiple angles, overwhelming him. This coordinated internal assault would ultimately result in Gojo’s death.

The likelihood of this ability being used is comparable to her other options for the same reason.

4) Cosmo -

Makima can give Gojo a taste of an All-Out Halloween, which, depending on the range, can either momentarily or permanently incapacitate him. If Gojo gets up close and personal with Makima, a single Halloween may be enough to affect him, albeit with reduced likely reduced effect. At longer range, the ability requires more time to charge, but guarantees total and permanent incapacitation, hence the term All-Out Halloween.

Unlike Makima’s other abilities, where she can creatively employ various minions through contracts, this technique is unique. It is solely exceptional to Cosmo and Makima, as it cannot be accessed through a standard devil contract. The change of it being used is the same as the others. Morso as a final rebound if needed.

Makima's Advanatges​

1) Reactions & Perception Advantage -
With speed equalization, the rules explicitly state:

Makima's combat speed is High Hypersonic+ (Mach 81.48), while her reaction speed scales massively above Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 1390.67). Gojo's combat and reaction speed is listed at Mach 2.86.

This makes her reaction speeds alone 17x faster than Gojo's. So even under speed equalization, Makima's reaction speed is scaled down by the same multiplier as her combat speed.

Plus, Makima's Automatic Precognition, which allows her to see a few seconds into the future, grants her a tactical advantage. Not only can she predict Gojo’s next moves and react accordingly, but she can also perceive his actions before he even performs them, turning him into an open book.

2) Tactical Approach & Clairvoyance -
As stated on her profile:

In short, once Makima becomes aware of Gojo's status and realizes that controlling him directly isn’t viable, she will work from the shadows to analyze him and gauge the scope of his abilities. She’ll rely on her minions to observe strength and capabilities. Makima is an exceptionally quick and perceptive thinker whom is capable of formulating strategies and improvising with her powers in real time, as demonstrated during her fight with the Gun Devil.

And before anyone says anything: no, she did not prepare for that fight. There was no pre-battle planning for the initial takedown of the Gun Devil. What was actually prepared was the plan for Aki to become the vessel, having the Gun Devil’s corpse placed in his body and sent straight to Denji’s front door. That was orchestrated, not the battle itself.

So, once Makima has a solid understanding of Gojo’s mechanics, she will return to the battlefield and actively pursue him using her wide arsenal of options.

Also worth noting: Makima can read minds.
As stated on her profile:

She can eventually figure Gojo out, his abilities, how they work all through his own memories.

3) Enhanced Senses -
As stated on her profile:

With this, it’s clear that Makima effectively has all eyes on Gojo, constantly aware of his location and actions, whether through her own awareness or via her controlled minions. This constant surveillance allows her to anticipate and counter Gojo's strategies in real time.

Makima's Resistances​

1) Infinite Void -
As her profile states:

Prop's for resisting a stronger infinite void.

Conclusion​

Everything above outlines the various ways Makima can achieve victory. You're free to respond or debate these points using Gojo's abilities and showings, but based on the information provided, it's clear to me that Makima holds the tactical advantage, along with a versatile range of win cons and controlled abilities as well as a perception advantage.

For these reasons, I'm casting my vote for Makima.
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Razor said:
Since people will likely not be reading 12 pages of yap just to vote. The summary is that:
Makima's main wincon is biological manipulation, which could kill Gojo.
Gojo's wincon is just about anything in his arsenal. HP, Red, Max blue, Base blue as all of it will one shot Makima.

Makima would land her attack first because of her superior reaction speed and precognition but Gojo could survive her attack for a few seconds, Red and blue would instantly kill Makima however.
There's also the factor of if Makima would even start with the Bio hax in the first place. I say it isn't likely, Gunshy says otherwise. Our reasonings are above
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To make it simple for every new person coming here. Here’s 2 post for Gojo and Makima’s win cons. Go crazy.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
It really just looks like yall never reached a mutual conclusion if gunshy themself is still reposting the entire list and makima supporters are stil running with the other wincons as well while both of yall saying the opposite of each other. It doesn’t really matter if I think she’ll pick other options because the summary doesn’t list her “potentials” in the first place for new people to know.
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If gunshy thought her other wincons were valid then he should've used them as a rebuttal. He should've mentioned it, since I stated twice that Makima only has one wincon. But no, we did not come to the conclusion that her wincons are fine. I was, and still am of the belief that Bio hax is her only plausible wincon. She could theoretically defeat Gojo with the others but they would never land before Gojo reds her.

Why would we only show the new people Makima's clean list of wincons while completely ignoring our discussion about it? That basically erases all of my counter arguments and just presents the new comers with "Hey here's why you should vote for makima" without any push back. All my arguments would've been for nothing.
 
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Razor said:
If gunshy thought her other wincons were valid then he should've used them as a rebuttal. He should've mentioned it, since I stated twice that Makima only has one wincon. But no, we did not come to the conclusion that her wincons are fine. I was, and still am of the belief that Bio hax is her only plausible wincon. She could theoretically defeat Gojo with the others but they would never land before Gojo reds her.

Why would we only show the new people Makima's clean list of wincons while completely ignoring me and gunshy's discussion about it? That basically erases all of my counter arguments and just presents the new comers with "Hey here's why you should vote for makima" without any push back. All my arguments would've been for nothing.
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You just described like powerscaling 101. If you say I have the right to think that she’ll pick a different option then newcomers have the right to have the option to think that as well. It shouldn’t be only me having that option while everyone else is unaware of it considering Gunshy and multiple other people are still accepting those win cons. If you want a simple summary then bump the relevant 4-5 posts. I’m not even saying that there shouldn’t be any push back against those win cons. Atleast let them be known.
 
Btw to clear it up, I don’t care who yall vote. I just want it fair so here’s the simplest suggestion if you don’t want it to be in vein while keeping it fair for everyone when summarizing win cons for both sides.

Bump Gojo Win List
Bump Makima Win List
Summary of counter arguments conclusion against Gojo or Bump
Summary of counter arguments conclusions against Makima or bump
 
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I still think the idea of Gojo surviving the brain damage is quite meh, like straight up. Gojo destroyed and healed his right prefrontal cortex (which is critical for attention, inhibition, moral reasoning, and short-term working memory, but not vital for unconscious reflexes or heartbeat). While Makima's attack likely just targets the brain without any discrimination, for that I'll assume the entire brain itself.

Healing just a part of brain with your own controlled destruction, it should be way easier, but still hard to pull off (and Gojo can't continue after just 5 times). Now imagine your whole brain turning mushy with bloods.

I seriously think y'all used the wrong fact to defend Gojo here, it's not about the amount of blood being poured out (which Makima draws more), but WHERE the brain is damaged, like it's the brain, the freaking brain, you can't measure the damage by blood alone, and should never be by blood alone.
 
And plus this too:
Makima goes for the bio manip, she always does that first, against fodders to aura farm, or against the ultimate threat being Darkness, she ALWAYS go for that one attack. She only stopped doing so after getting her new toy being "Bang" (nor would bio manip even help against Pochita anyways). Makima has precog, and so if she sees that Bang does not work, she will likely choose bio manip, raising the chance up to 90% (going by the logic of "if bang doesn't work, nothing conventional works", 10% is the chance of Makima being dumb for once). Makima can make desicion extremely fast (and given that her reaction speed is still extremely fast, she should be able to decide on what to use in time).

Makima's bio manip, by my logic, has a 99% fatality rate for Gojo. If the damage is not evenly distributed, then the fatality rate is 39% including Brainstem (2% instant death), Prefrontal cortex (12% of extreme risk of cognitive collapse, Gojo only messed around with the really tiny part of this thing, and he endured it for 5 times only), Motor Cortex (10% paralysis, which is as bad as cognitive collapse), Temporal lobes (~15% Gojo forgets who he is and dies, but can be safe if he only lose speech).

Edit: Also 12% of hitting Occipital lobe might causes Gojo a little bit of a trouble.

Anyways, bio manip is a solid, extremely solid wincon and shouldn't be downplayed by wanking Gojo's healing capability
 
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Razor said:
Here's another instance of me saying Makima has 1 wincon, this was Gunshy's response:

Basically, we didn't come to the conclusion that were nothing wrong with Gunshy's wincons, at all. By the end, the argument came down to Bio hax vs Anything in Gojo's arsenal. Makima had the advantage of having higher reaction speed and precog, her disadvantage was that there was a hundred other abilities she could use before Bio hax. If you think she'll pick it before her other options, its up to you, this is where me and gunshy left off. Gojo's advantage was that all of his starting moves would paste makima.
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Having win cons doesn't mean she will use them, which is why they are still considered "valid." However, that doesn't mean she will win because of them. That's just a misunderstanding, my overall conclusion is the same as what you're saying here.

I was and currently am planning to write a summary of our discussion as we mentioned above (i actually did mention it a few times). I just haven't started yet due to sleep and traveling. Which is my bad.

Seems like you already did that for me. And it also seems like newcomers read the args
 
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Who tf voted for Deku

Anyways Gojo FRA mostly cause it’s a battle of “who can one shot the other first” and I feel like even if Gojo gets hit with bio manip he could take at least one or two and still have enough AP to fully one shot.
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Not really, we discussed this.
Zabazab said:
Conjecture. There's no other organ that could cause that kind of deadly hemorrhaging when damaged.


I don't agree. If the visual was accurate, where did all of that blood go? Clearly not out his nose, it was only a small bleed until the 5th attempt. RCT doesn't make the blood that has already left the circulatory system vanish.


This instantly shut down Sukuna's ability to access his Domain or heal any more brain damage. It also isn't nearly as severe as the Darkness Devil's hemmorhaging.


From just damaging his right prefrontal cortex and healing it. And only 5 times, which at the same time made opening his Domain an instant death. Because sorcerers simply do not handle brain damage well.
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However, one could argue that Gojo might still be able to act for a few seconds after the attack, possibly retaliating before being incapacitated or even killed. That said, I’m not inclined to believe this, especially considering that a Primal Devil, despite their ability to recover from injuries almost instantly, was rendered incapable of fighting back, even momentarily, after being hit by the same attack. As previously mentioned, it is indicated that brain damage isn't handled well in by sorcerers.

What I'm doing here is questioning whether Gojo could actually survive this, given that an opponent not only above his power level but also narratively significant in the Chainsaw Man universe was severely affected by the same attack.
 
GunshyFever said:
Not really, we discussed this.

However, one could argue that Gojo might still be able to act for a few seconds after the attack, possibly retaliating before being incapacitated or even killed. That said, I’m not inclined to believe this, especially considering that a Primal Devil, despite their ability to recover from injuries almost instantly, was rendered incapable of fighting back, even momentarily, after being hit by the same attack. As previously mentioned, it is indicated that brain damage isn't handled well in by sorcerers.

What I'm doing here is questioning whether Gojo could actually survive this, given that an opponent not only above his power level but also narratively significant in the Chainsaw Man universe was severely affected by the same attack.
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Acertainbcplayer said:
I still think the idea of Gojo surviving the brain damage is quite meh, like straight up. Gojo destroyed and healed his right prefrontal cortex (which is critical for attention, inhibition, moral reasoning, and short-term working memory, but not vital for unconscious reflexes or heartbeat). While Makima's attack likely just targets the brain without any discrimination, for that I'll assume the entire brain itself.

Healing just a part of brain with your own controlled destruction, it should be way easier, but still hard to pull off (and Gojo can't continue after just 5 times). Now imagine your whole brain turning mushy with bloods.

I seriously think y'all used the wrong fact to defend Gojo here, it's not about the amount of blood being poured out (which Makima draws more), but WHERE the brain is damaged, like it's the brain, the freaking brain, you can't measure the damage by blood alone, and should never be by blood alone.
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Acertainbcplayer said:
And plus this too:
Makima goes for the bio manip, she always does that first, against fodders to aura farm, or against the ultimate threat being Darkness, she ALWAYS go for that one attack. She only stopped doing so after getting her new toy being "Bang" (nor would bio manip even help against Pochita anyways). Makima has precog, and so if she sees that Bang does not work, she will likely choose bio manip, raising the chance up to 90% (going by the logic of "if bang doesn't work, nothing conventional works", 10% is the chance of Makima being dumb for once). Makima can make desicion extremely fast (and given that her reaction speed is still extremely fast, she should be able to decide on what to use in time).

Makima's bio manip, by my logic, has a 99% fatality rate for Gojo. If the damage is not evenly distributed, then the fatality rate is 39% including Brainstem (2% instant death), Prefrontal cortex (12% of extreme risk of cognitive collapse, Gojo only messed around with the really tiny part of this thing, and he endured it for 5 times only), Motor Cortex (10% paralysis, which is as bad as cognitive collapse), Temporal lobes (~15% Gojo forgets who he is and dies, but can be safe if he only lose speech).

Edit: Also 12% of hitting Occipital lobe might causes Gojo a little bit of a trouble.

Anyways, bio manip is a solid, extremely solid wincon and shouldn't be downplayed by wanking Gojo's healing capability
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Gojo ain't taking this let's be honest, he lacks actual feats of tanking actual brain damage and still be able to use RCT.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Gojo ain't taking this let's be honest, he lacks actual feats of tanking actual brain damage and still be able to use RCT.
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Are we also forgetting to mention that the attack she used against the Darkness Devil is several levels more powerful than her bio stare? The Darkness devil practically exploded inside out.
 
GunshyFever said:
Are we also forgetting to mention that the attack she used against the Darkness Devil is several levels more powerful than her bio stare? The Darkness devil practically exploded inside out.
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No, we did not. I am fully aware of that fact, thus why I say Gojo surviving even ONCE is total bs. It took Darkness a moment to heal all that up, Gojo ain't him.
 
GunshyFever said:
Not really, we discussed this.

However, one could argue that Gojo might still be able to act for a few seconds after the attack, possibly retaliating before being incapacitated or even killed. That said, I’m not inclined to believe this, especially considering that a Primal Devil, despite their ability to recover from injuries almost instantly, was rendered incapable of fighting back, even momentarily, after being hit by the same attack. As previously mentioned, it is indicated that brain damage isn't handled well in by sorcerers.

What I'm doing here is questioning whether Gojo could actually survive this, given that an opponent not only above his power level but also narratively significant in the Chainsaw Man universe was severely affected by the same attack.
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While that is true that would also depend on various factors, like whether or not the way the hax works bypasses durability or if the interior of characters is weaker for CSM characters (some verses have organs as basically mush compared to their skin)

Basically imo it’s an unknown vs a known. How much damage does Makima do to the brain specifically? Where is that damage localized/is it the entire brain? Then it’s that against what we see from Gojo’s brain which is brain bleed across not only the prefrontal cortex but across the majority of it. Based on where the image is in the volume he still had 2-3 more CT resets before he got crippled by it. Kind of just depends on whether or not you think he can last long enough after at least one of these to fire back, which, given what we see of his brain and how he keeps fighting for several chapters even after even worse hemorrhaging, I think he can.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
While that is true that would also depend on various factors, like whether or not the way the hax works bypasses durability or if the interior of characters is weaker for CSM characters (some verses have organs as basically mush compared to their skin)

Basically imo it’s an unknown vs a known. How much damage does Makima do to the brain specifically? Where is that damage localized/is it the entire brain? Then it’s that against what we see from Gojo’s brain which is brain bleed across not only the prefrontal cortex but across the majority of it. Based on where the image is in the volume he still had 2-3 more CT resets before he got crippled by it. Kind of just depends on whether or not you think he can last long enough after at least one of these to fire back, which, given what we see of his brain and how he keeps fighting for several chapters even after even worse hemorrhaging, I think he can.
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We went over the fact that her attack causes cerebral hemorrhaging. Someone also brought up one of Gojo’s more impressive regen feats which was recovering from brain damage inflicted by Toji, who stabbed him with the Inverted Spear of Heaven. The discussion then shifted to which injury would be more fatal, as a way of establishing some kind of baseline for how potent Makima's bio stare is. Keep in mind, I'm specifically referring to her bio stare here, not her bio point, aka the one she used on the darkness devil. To that I responded:
GunshyFever said:
In real world neurosurgery, a spontaneous or trauma induced intracerebral hemorrhage actually is far deadlier than a knife track that simply pierces the brain.
When an artery ruptures inside the cranial vault it releases pressurized blood into soft neural tissue that has almost nowhere to go. The expanding clot raises intracranial pressure within minutes which squashes adjacent brain structures, shuts off capillary perfusion and can force the brainstem downward in a terminal herniation cascade. Even if the initial bleed is modest, biochemical toxicity from iron, thrombin and glutamate sets off hours to days of secondary edema and cell death throughout the surrounding parenchyma.

By contrast, a classic brain stab creates a narrow and mostly linear tract. If the blade misses the deep brainstem or major vessels and ventricles, the damage is confined to a pencil thin corridor. Especially for Toji, the size of Gojo's injury was very, very minimal if you take a look at the scan.
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I'm not gonna tell you that Gojo can't resist the bio stare as it's a process where he would experience its effects until he's incapacitated, which could take several seconds. However, what I am saying is that the likelihood of Gojo surviving the bio point, the version of the attack that Makima used on the Darkness Devil, is highly unlikely. If Makima can damage a being with multiple brains using this enhanced version of the attack, imagine the toll it would take on someone with just one. The best case scenario I can offer is that the multiple cerebral hemorrhages inflicted on the Darkness Devil would be concentrated into a single brain in Gojo's case.
 
GunshyFever said:
We went over the fact that her attack causes cerebral hemorrhaging. Someone also brought up one of Gojo’s more impressive regen feats which was recovering from brain damage inflicted by Toji, who stabbed him with the Inverted Spear of Heaven. The discussion then shifted to which injury would be more fatal, as a way of establishing some kind of baseline for how potent Makima's bio stare is. Keep in mind, I'm specifically referring to her bio stare here, not her bio point, aka the one she used on the darkness devil. To that I responded:

I'm not gonna tell you that Gojo can't resist the bio stare as it's a process where he would experience its effects until he's incapacitated, which could take several seconds. However, what I am saying is that the likelihood of Gojo surviving the bio point, the version of the attack that Makima used on the Darkness Devil, is highly unlikely. If Makima can damage a being with multiple brains using this enhanced version of the attack, imagine the toll it would take on someone with just one. The best case scenario I can offer is that the multiple cerebral hemorrhages inflicted on the Darkness Devil would be concentrated into a single brain in Gojo's case.
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I was less referring to Gojo’s brain regeneration and more his actual ability to fight through it. It’s why I was mainly talking about the damage he was fighting through during the Sukuna fight. He had severe hemorrhaging throughout his whole brain for most of the fight and yet he still had an extended fight with him and all it did was make him lose his domain, knock him on his ass for a few seconds before getting back up to continue the fight, and a loss in RCT output after the fifth time he damaged his brain. His regeneration would help but ultimately it’s not what I think is most important which is his ability to fight through that level of damage, which he has shown.

Also that other point about the darkness devil begs the question, should we assume that it spreads out damage against multiple heads or is it just uniform damage against all of them? The way you describe it makes it sound like the former when it could very much be the latter. Then the other stuff I mentioned in the previous reply about how the damage works being an unknown.
 
this is where fraudkuna agenda started getting stronger.
Catbowtie said:

To this day, I still think this was the most disrespectful thing Gojo did to Sukuna.

The Black Flash hit Sukuna so hard that Sukuna's *ss was slumped and drooling blood like a baby, knocked out from the punch WHILE HE WAS STILL STANDING all in LIVE TELEVISION. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE WATCHING THIS. Sukuna's body had to instinctively call for Mahoraga because it knew it got cooked. I could never endure that embarrassment.
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Ms.Luzifer said:
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OK. Ur cooking with this chief. Don't let the mods see you.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
I was less referring to Gojo’s brain regeneration and more his actual ability to fight through it. It’s why I was mainly talking about the damage he was fighting through during the Sukuna fight. He had severe hemorrhaging throughout his whole brain for most of the fight and yet he still had an extended fight with him and all it did was make him lose his domain, knock him on his ass for a few seconds before getting back up to continue the fight, and a loss in RCT output after the fifth time he damaged his brain. His regeneration would help but ultimately it’s not what I think is most important which is his ability to fight through that level of damage, which he has shown.

Also that other point about the darkness devil begs the question, should we assume that it spreads out damage against multiple heads or is it just uniform damage against all of them? The way you describe it makes it sound like the former when it could very much be the latter. Then the other stuff I mentioned in the previous reply about how the damage works being an unknown.
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Yeah, I agree with you when it comes to Gojo actually enduring her glare for a good while. However, the point I'm making is that Gojo would either die or be instantly incapacitated by the bio point.

As for your question, we know the damage spreads out over time, considering the nature of Makima’s attack. With the bio stare, it actually takes several seconds before the opponent becomes incapacitated. However, look at the Darkness Devil panel. He’s a Primal Fear who doesnt need blood for regeneration and has the highest endurance in the series.

Alright, let me try give you a scenario. Look at the scene where Makima takes out 4 opponents with the bio stare, they each drop dead individually right? This suggests that Makima can only focus on one simulated brain at a time. But with the Darkness Devil, instead of taking minimal damage over several seconds like the others, he just slumps over as multiple faces erupt with blood instantaneously.

This clearly shows that it’s a single attack that spreads out, hence the instantaneous damage and reaction in Darkness’s case. You can even see him slumped in a puddle of blood from how much he lost.
 
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