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League of Legends Tier 8/7 Revision

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9-A is a CRT that will boost characters to Low 7/7-B.

Feats

We have 5 Tier 7 feats:

1) Malphite Low 7-C (Outdated)
2) Illaoi storm creation feat (Lowe 7-B Calc)
3) Kenen can create lightning (8-C)
4) Amumu cloud destruction feat (Outdated)
5) K'sante feat 7-A

Scaling

The team fighting Viego in the game should scale to Weakened Viego. Illaoi, Braum, Miss Fortune, Ahri and Yasuo will rise to Low 7-B. Since no one can physically fight Amumu, Amumu will remain 7-B.

Miss Fortune can hit Hecarim. Hecarim is durable enough not to die. Hecarim and Kalista are strong enough to fight each other. Kalista has also fought Tahm Kench and Vladimir. Vladimir should be related to another Black Rose member, LeBlanc.

Gankplank was tested by Illaoi. During this test, he was able to cut Illaoi's tentacles and did this with his GP weakened state. GP is strong enough to fight Miss Fortune. Either way, GP scales to Low 7-B.

Yasuo can fight Riven and Yone.

Because of the strongest demon expression for Fiddlestick. Fiddlestick>Tahm Kench~~Kalista~~Hecarim=Low 7-B

I heard that using the same expression Fiddlestick can be upgraded to 4-B. But I don't know who the 4-B Demon is. If someone writes who it is under this CRT and confirms if it makes sense I will update it to 4-B. I think it was Nilah's demon but I don't know how Nilah's demon is 4-B.

It is already stated in Nautilus' profile why he is scaled to Miss Fortune and GP, so Nautilus should also be Low 7-B.

Pyke's profile states that he can kill MF and GP, but Pyke is already an assassin and he has dura neg. So we should leave Pyke as Unknown for now.

Draven and those who scale to him like Darius, Swain, Tristana will be At most Low 7-B.


Almost every character is Low 7-B.

Arcane

Since Arcane is stated to be canon, we can now combine arcane profiles with LoL profiles.

Hax
Breaking the 4th Wall should be added for Aurelion Sol. During the loading screen in LoR, he states that he does not want to give any specific information about the loading screen and then asks what the loading screen is

Aurelion Sol has an ability card that can wipe out enemy cards from existence. The "Obliterate" mechanic in LoR doesn't just destroy enemy cards, it also prevents them from resurrecting. So it doesn't just destroy them, it literally wipes them out. That's why we should give EE to characters with this extirpate ability. Since Sett also has extirpate, he should get it too.
 
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Whatever end it is, ruined king crew scaling is fine, hecarim-kalista-vladimir-tahm is also fine. Leblanc i would more so leave as a possibly or likely because there is nothiny directly stating or implying her to be > Vladimir. Sure she is the leader of Black Rose but i would stick with a possibly rather and unknown otherwise.

GP scaling im 50/50 on because he hasnt really fought MF and i dont remember Illaoi scenario enough (too late to check rn), but probably fine yea.

Yasuo-Riven-Yone is good imo, Draven im iffy on since on screen he mostly got beat up and Awaken isnt quite fully canon either. (Because Second Invasion of Ionia never happened and is even strictly stated in last cinematic to "never be allowed" by Swain).

Regardless if we did scale Draven and Tristana i HARD disagree with scaling other yordles to her randomly, they are just the same species and no other connection.

Agree with Naut

And lastly disagree with abilities, voicelines shouldnt be used for anything since they just arent canon and i personally dont like using game mechanics to add abilities either.
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
Yasuo-Riven-Yone is good imo, Draven im iffy on since on screen he mostly got beat up and Awaken isnt quite fully canon either. (Because Second Invasion of Ionia never happened and is even strictly stated in last cinematic to "never be allowed" by Swain).

Regardless if we did scale Draven and Tristana i HARD disagree with scaling other yordles to her randomly, they are just the same species and no other connection.
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If Awaken's canon status is questionable, it's better not to scale Draven at all. Also, since Yordles are more hax-focused characters, it seems to me that it would be better not to scale them either.

But then it will be like this

The characters in this CRT are 7-A, Void characters and Rengar who scale to them, Nidalee and Mega Gnar who scale to Rengar are 8-B, and the remaining characters of Demacia, Noxus, and Freljord are 9-A. We now have a nice 9-A calc for Garen.

ShrekAlmighty said:
Agree with Naut
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So, should Nautilus be as powerful as GP and MF combined, or should it scale to the same value?
ShrekAlmighty said:
And lastly disagree with abilities, voicelines shouldnt be used for anything since they just arent canon and i personally dont like using game mechanics to add abilities either.
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Doesn't Asol's information in the loading screen show that she is aware that she is in a game? Isn't that enough for a fourth wall break?

I understand that the erasing from existence part could be a game mechanic, but isn't it obvious that Karma did it?
 
I made a mistake. Viego's 7-A feat was not performed in his weakened state. We will scale to Illaoi's Low 7-B. Rethink everything I wrote above as Low 7-B. I will edit when I get home.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
If Awaken's canon status is questionable, it's better not to scale Draven at all. Also, since Yordles are more hax-focused characters, it seems to me that it would be better not to scale them either.

But then it will be like this

The characters in this CRT are 7-A, Void characters and Rengar who scale to them, Nidalee and Mega Gnar who scale to Rengar are 8-B, and the remaining characters of Demacia, Noxus, and Freljord are 9-A. We now have a nice 9-A calc for Garen.


So, should Nautilus be as powerful as GP and MF combined, or should it scale to the same value?

Doesn't Asol's information in the loading screen show that she is aware that she is in a game? Isn't that enough for a fourth wall break?

I understand that the erasing from existence part could be a game mechanic, but isn't it obvious that Karma did it?
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Alright that sounds fine yea for Yordles/Draven

Ah okay so, MF, Braum, Illaoi, Yasuo, Ahri, GP, Riven, Yone, Heca, Kalista, Vlad, Leblanc, Naut go to Low 7-B, then otherwise 8-B for Void and co, and 9-A for anyone relative to Garen?

I think Naut should just be given an "At least" considering even in MFs short story it was pretty clear he was significantly above her. As far as combining values im neutral.

Maybe? Lets say im neutral on 4th wall then. As far as Karma it could be her but if we are being pedantic it does look like a gloved hand casting the spell and Karma doesnt wear any
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
Whatever end it is, ruined king crew scaling is fine, hecarim-kalista-vladimir-tahm is also fine. Leblanc i would more so leave as a possibly or likely because there is nothiny directly stating or implying her to be > Vladimir. Sure she is the leader of Black Rose but i would stick with a possibly rather and unknown otherwise.
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Lb imo should scale withouth posdibly because she empowered Rivens sword and her post rework voice line implies she has defeated several demons.
ShrekAlmighty said:
GP scaling im 50/50 on because he hasnt really fought MF and i dont remember Illaoi scenario enough (too late to check rn), but probably fine yea.
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This,
She reached out with her mind and called forth the energy of the Mother Serpent as she swung the giant idol forward. A glowing mist vomited from the icon’s mouth and swirls of blue-green energy formed around the Mother Serpent’s face, solidifying into ghostly tentacles. Touched by gold, these tendrils were as beautiful as the sunrise over water, and as horrifying as the darkest undersea abomination. More tentacles grew from the icon, replicating around the room as if born from some unknowable mathematics. Exponentially they grew larger, and somehow each one’s growth seemed to hold all the promise and horror of the world.

“No!” Gangplank screamed. But the whirlwind ignored his cries as the storm of tentacles took him.

“Face Nagakabouros!” she yelled. “Prove yourself!” The tentacles grasped at Gangplank, then dived into his chest. He shuddered as ghostly images of his past lives shook around him.

He screamed as his soul was ripped from his body. His doppelganger stood unmoving before Illaoi. The spirit of Gangplank smoldered an almost blinding blue, its body crackling and flickering through his previous lives.

The mass of tentacles attacked the wounded captain. Gangplank rolled and stumbled to his feet, dodging what he could. But for each one that missed, more and more appeared. Reality twisted and churned around him. The swarm of tentacles crashed against him, pushing him down, pulling him further and further from his soul—toward oblivion.

Illaoi wanted to look away. More than anything, she wanted to turn her eyes. It is my duty to witness his passing. He was a great man, but he has failed. The universe demands—

Gangplank rose. Slowly, inexorably, and unrelentingly he forced his broken body to stand. He ripped himself from the mass of tentacles and advanced step by painstaking step, roaring through the agony. Bloody and exhausted, he finally stood in front of Illaoi. His eyes bulged with hate and pain, but full of purpose. With his final ounce of strength, he walked into the glowing visage of his spirit.

“I will be king.”

The wind fell still. The tentacles ruptured in bursts of light. Nagakabouros was satisfied.

ShrekAlmighty said:
Yasuo-Riven-Yone is good imo, Draven im iffy on since on screen he mostly got beat up and Awaken isnt quite fully canon either. (Because Second Invasion of Ionia never happened and is even strictly stated in last cinematic to "never be allowed" by Swain).
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It is canon, some events just takes place in the future and thats it. "In terms of it being canon—these are definitely scenes and events that take place in the world of Runeterra, in the present time. Have we reached those moments in those characters’ arcs yet? No, but we’ve got lots of stories still to come this year, and next…" source. Draven should 100% scale to Riven he still matches her strikes, albeait breaifly and endures her headbutt. For swains statement, we dont know the context of invasion, maybe he changed his mind, maybe he was being mind contorlled, maybe they did this opposed to his will (which might explain why darius isnt there), we cant dismiss the canonicty of this cinematic just because of swains line when there is wog coming from riots offical site confirming it is. Even if you dont wanna take ionia's invesion as being canon the other 2 parts should 100% be as the jhin and camille part directly ties in to the zed comic and riven part ties into the sentinals of light.
ShrekAlmighty said:
Regardless if we did scale Draven and Tristana i HARD disagree with scaling other yordles to her randomly, they are just the same species and no other connection.
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Iirc tristiana mentions how other "warrior yordles" like corki and poppy would be helpfull in that fight but i need to check again.
 
Ozcantabak said:
Lb imo should scale withouth posdibly because she empowered Rivens sword and her post rework voice line implies she has defeated several demons.

This,
She reached out with her mind and called forth the energy of the Mother Serpent as she swung the giant idol forward. A glowing mist vomited from the icon’s mouth and swirls of blue-green energy formed around the Mother Serpent’s face, solidifying into ghostly tentacles. Touched by gold, these tendrils were as beautiful as the sunrise over water, and as horrifying as the darkest undersea abomination. More tentacles grew from the icon, replicating around the room as if born from some unknowable mathematics. Exponentially they grew larger, and somehow each one’s growth seemed to hold all the promise and horror of the world.

“No!” Gangplank screamed. But the whirlwind ignored his cries as the storm of tentacles took him.

“Face Nagakabouros!” she yelled. “Prove yourself!” The tentacles grasped at Gangplank, then dived into his chest. He shuddered as ghostly images of his past lives shook around him.

He screamed as his soul was ripped from his body. His doppelganger stood unmoving before Illaoi. The spirit of Gangplank smoldered an almost blinding blue, its body crackling and flickering through his previous lives.

The mass of tentacles attacked the wounded captain. Gangplank rolled and stumbled to his feet, dodging what he could. But for each one that missed, more and more appeared. Reality twisted and churned around him. The swarm of tentacles crashed against him, pushing him down, pulling him further and further from his soul—toward oblivion.

Illaoi wanted to look away. More than anything, she wanted to turn her eyes. It is my duty to witness his passing. He was a great man, but he has failed. The universe demands—

Gangplank rose. Slowly, inexorably, and unrelentingly he forced his broken body to stand. He ripped himself from the mass of tentacles and advanced step by painstaking step, roaring through the agony. Bloody and exhausted, he finally stood in front of Illaoi. His eyes bulged with hate and pain, but full of purpose. With his final ounce of strength, he walked into the glowing visage of his spirit.

“I will be king.”

The wind fell still. The tentacles ruptured in bursts of light. Nagakabouros was satisfied.


It is canon, some events just takes place in the future and thats it. "In terms of it being canon—these are definitely scenes and events that take place in the world of Runeterra, in the present time. Have we reached those moments in those characters’ arcs yet? No, but we’ve got lots of stories still to come this year, and next…" source. Draven should 100% scale to Riven he still matches her strikes, albeait breaifly and endures her headbutt. For swains statement, we dont know the context of invasion, maybe he changed his mind, maybe he was being mind contorlled, maybe they did this opposed to his will (which might explain why darius isnt there), we cant dismiss the canonicty of this cinematic just because of swains line when there is wog coming from riots offical site confirming it is. Even if you dont wanna take ionia's invesion as being canon the other 2 parts should 100% be as the jhin and camille part directly ties in to the zed comic and riven part ties into the sentinals of light.

Iirc tristiana mentions how other "warrior yordles" like corki and poppy would be helpfull in that fight but i need to check again.
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I dont think empowering something should scale someone to it because usually it takes times but she could just scale to Atakhan who she can restrain in one of the new cinematics. As a full demon Atakhan should be > any Azakana considering they are just lesser demons, which includes one that matched Yasuo in his own cinematic. So scales to same thing just over direct feat.

Hmmmm im not entirely about Gp since he passed the test then tentacles dispersed and ive always seen the test as more willpower rather than overpowering Illaoi. Thanks a lot for the info btw, much appreciated

Well sure Draven part stands but vehemntly disagree with entire thing being used because we can assume possible ways for second invasion of Ionia to come around, but as is in lore it would be completely contradictory to use anything as far as that part goes. He didnt really match rivens strikes, every time they clashed Riven overpowered him, sure he "tanked" the headbutt but not only is that a single interaction he was again overpowered in, Riven isnt even at 100% considering the state of her sword, the entire rivalry between her and Yasuo is anyways reliant in said sword and wind techniques so i dont agree with him scaling.

Lets leave the yordles aside for now then and when we check we can see what to do with them.
 
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ShrekAlmighty said:
I dont think empowering something should scale someone to it because usually it takes times but she could just scale to Atakhan who she can restrain in one of the new cinematics. As a full demon Atakhan should be > any Azakana considering they are just lesser demons, which includes one that matched Yasuo in his own cinematic. So scales to same thing just over direct feat.

Hmmmm im not entirely about Gp since he passed the test then tentacles dispersed and ive always seen the test as more willpower rather than overpowering Illaoi. Thanks a lot for the info btw, much appreciated

Well sure Draven part stands but vehemntly disagree with entire thing being used because we can assume possible ways for second invasion of Ionia to come around, but as is in lore it would be completely contradictory to use anything as far as that part goes. He didnt really match rivens strikes, every time they clashed Riven overpowered him, sure he "tanked" the headbutt but not only is that a single interaction he was again overpowered in, Riven isnt even at 100% considering the state of her sword, the entire rivalry between her and Yasuo is anyways reliant in said sword and wind techniques so i dont agree with him scaling.

Lets leave the yordles aside for now then and when we check we can see what to do with them.
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Alright.

It says he ripped the tentacles, i think its both willpower/spirit and physical strenght based, i wpuldnt say he overpowered Illoi just that he scales to her, just ripping out her tentacles i think is enough.

Youre making this harder than it has to be, there is just straight up wog confirmation, what does it even contridict ? Again we dont know the context of the invasion so using lb's statement means nothing. Bro they exchange like 3 strikes and it just cuts to them rushing each other, if riven was soo superior to draven she would have just broke his skull with his headbutt and one shot him with her sword. Its definitly not relient in her sword bro, its her physical strenght, yasuo straight up broke her sword after riven stopped fighting with him.

Alright.
 
Ozcantabak said:
Alright.

It says he ripped the tentacles, i think its both willpower/spirit and physical strenght based, i wpuldnt say he overpowered Illoi just that he scales to her, just ripping out her tentacles i think is enough.

Youre making this harder than it has to be, there is just straight up wog confirmation, what does it even contridict ? Again we dont know the context of the invasion so using lb's statement means nothing. Bro they exchange like 3 strikes and it just cuts to them rushing each other, if riven was soo superior to draven she would have just broke his skull with his headbutt and one shot him with her sword. Its definitly not relient in her sword bro, its her physical strenght, yasuo straight up broke her sword after riven stopped fighting with him.

Alright.
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It says he ripped himself from them which is more like struggling from their grasp rather than tearing them up but if you think thats enough sure then.

The fact a 2nd Ionian Invasion has been something directly against Swains character and all lore development in recent years. Im fine with all else being used just not that part. There is no context to it because its impossible rn, LBs statement matters because it confirms its reliant on Swains will, and as is and was ever since his rework, another Invasion is the last thing he wants. If Draven was comparable he wouldve also done something to warrant scaling to her, as far as cutting off, we know due to sentinels of light fight gets interupted more or less after that point soo all their bout ammounted to is him getting overwhelmed and not being obliterated from existance by a singular headbutt. Would Riven even scale to Yasuo except her sword/wind techniques? Cause i dont remember their fight at all or even if there was one in their 3-parter story. Any and all disagreements we have could just be solved by Riven's physicals and otherwise having different ratings.
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
The fact a 2nd Ionian Invasion has been something directly against Swains character and all lore development in recent years. Im fine with all else being used just not that part. There is no context to it because its impossible rn, LBs statement matters because it confirms its reliant on Swains will, and as is and was ever since his rework, another Invasion is the last thing he wants. If Draven was comparable he wouldve also done something to warrant scaling to her, as far as cutting off, we know due to sentinels of light fight gets interupted more or less after that point soo all their bout ammounted to is him getting overwhelmed and not being obliterated from existance by a singular headbutt. Would Riven even scale to Yasuo except her sword/wind techniques? Cause i dont remember their fight at all or even if there was one in their 3-parter story. Any and all disagreements we have could just be solved by Riven's physicals and otherwise having different raratings.
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I'm well aware of that but like i said we dont know its context, we don't know if swain is the one that ordered it, when i said lb's statement doesnt matter i meant this. This isnt like the fallen cinematic where its one of the possible futures. How about a at most raiting then because if we scale riven to low7b while draven is 9-A it would make absolutely 0 sense. They fight breifly, yasuo is using his wind techniques in this fight and riven has her sword but like i said his sword isnt the reason she can clash with him as yasuo can straight up broke it.
 
Ozcantabak said:
I'm well aware of that but like i said we dont know its context, we don't know if swain is the one that ordered it, when i said lb's statement doesnt matter i meant this. This isnt like the fallen cinematic where its one of the possible futures. How about a at most raiting then because if we scale riven to low7b while draven is 9-A it would make absolutely 0 sense. They fight breifly, yasuo is using his wind techniques in this fight and riven has her sword but like i said his sword isnt the reason she can clash with him as yasuo can straight up broke it.
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And thats fair but thing is its been 6 years since Awaken and we can both agree that part as is, is impossible unless we headcanon Swain being mind controlled or similar. The reason why im saying this is that Riot has already made the piltover/cait/vi part of Awaken wholy impossible through Arcane, hell entirety of Zaun/Piltover has been retconned to make most of its old lore impossible. Very clearly Riot is more than willing to change stuff from way back then so id much prefer if we use the parts that are connected with the actual current lore, so Draven/Riven, and if/when Irelia/Sion happens we can use that too, but till then imo we should just wait. Hmmmm sure, ig i would be okay with an At Most for Draven since yes the gap isnt "millions of times", just dont quite agree they are = either.
 
Just commenting on the 4-B demon: Nilah was directly stated/compared to Aspect Hosts by rioters. This also upscales Fiddle, since he is the first/most primal of the Ten Kings as far as we know
 
VoidGoji said:
Just commenting on the 4-B demon: Nilah was directly stated/compared to Aspect Hosts by rioters. This also upscales Fiddle, since he is the first/most primal of the Ten Kings as far as we know
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Twitter comments arent canon or usable according to Scathlocke and its far from direct tbf. It just talked about interaction of Panth/Nilah drawing power in same way, which yes both are drawing power from beings possessing them. Has nothing to do with them being the same level of power.

If we are reffering to same post which we might not
 
Weird that they kinda retconned twitter stuff now. Anyways dummy me them for misinterpreting the comment. Still, both should get "possibly far higher"
 
Let me say this about Draven and Riven: If Riven can only match Yasuo's wind techniques when his sword techniques are at their highest level, then it can be Yasuo~~Peak Riven>Base Riven~~Draven.

Rating characters as At least 9-A, possibly Low 7-B would look really bad and would be hard for a first-time reader to understand. So until we're sure, we can keep Draven at 9-A. Garen's 9-A is higher than Ashe's 9-A. Can Ashe somehow scale to Garen? If not, then most of Noxus and Demacia will have around 3x AP advantage

Edit: 3x doesn't work. I looked at the joule value of one and the tnt value of the other 😅
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Let me say this about Draven and Riven: If Riven can only match Yasuo's wind techniques when his sword techniques are at their highest level, then it can be Yasuo~~Peak Riven>Base Riven~~Draven.

Rating characters as At least 9-A, possibly Low 7-B would look really bad and would be hard for a first-time reader to understand. So until we're sure, we can keep Draven at 9-A. Garen's 9-A is higher than Ashe's 9-A. Can Ashe somehow scale to Garen? If not, then most of Noxus and Demacia will have around 3x AP advantage

Edit: 3x doesn't work. I looked at the joule value of one and the tnt value of the other 😅
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Well i dont remember the direct fight exactly tbf, if Riven can physically more or less match Yasuo or his wind techniques then i am completely fine with Draven being At Most Low 7-B since i really dont like "double ratings" unless someone actually varies in power.

And hmmmm, i cant think of a direct way to scale Garen and Ashe directly to one another, but at least the difference isnt really 3x but more like 30% which i think sounds fairly plausible.
 
At least one of the calcs in the OP has an obvious glaring issue with it (the Low 7-C one), I've left a comment on the blog. Aside from the math just being wrong, it's also just an old calc and doesn't fit our stricter and better-realized large size calc standards anymore.

I'll try and go through the others later on, but that Low 7-C one can't be used as evidence.
 
Also, we got that Malphite is even bigger (or smaller?) than that in LoR iirc, so it has to be recalced
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What has changed since the OP? I ready that thoroughly, but I hear mixed things in the responses. Looks like an OP update is needed to go over agreements and counter arguments.
 
Also, K'Sante could get a "7-A, possibly higher" due to fighting baccai. Baccai are still ascended, even if failed ones, but of unknown strength
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Let me say this about Draven and Riven: If Riven can only match Yasuo's wind techniques when his sword techniques are at their highest level, then it can be Yasuo~~Peak Riven>Base Riven~~Draven.

Rating characters as At least 9-A, possibly Low 7-B would look really bad and would be hard for a first-time reader to understand. So until we're sure, we can keep Draven at 9-A.
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I thought shrek was fine with giving draven and characters that scale to him "at most" raiting not possibly.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
What has changed since the OP? I ready that thoroughly, but I hear mixed things in the responses. Looks like an OP update is needed to go over agreements and counter arguments.
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I updated the Op. The places I wrote 7-A would be Low 7-B.

The hand with the ability that I thought was Karma's ability was not Karma's. I removed it from the CRT.

We will scale Draven with the expression "At most". Draven and those who scale to him like Darius, Swain, Tristana will be At most Low 7-B.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
I updated the Op. The places I wrote 7-A would be Low 7-B.

The hand with the ability that I thought was Karma's ability was not Karma's. I removed it from the CRT.

We will scale Draven with the expression "At most". Draven and those who scale to him like Darius, Swain, Tristana will be At most Low 7-B.
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Why would Swain or Darius scale to Draven tho? Sure darius was the stronger protective brother but that was ages ago, and Swain sure is leader of noxus but wouldnt it just be better to scale him to Leblanc since he's killed her a few times, i think i remember it being somewhere, might be wrong on it tho
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
Why would Swain or Darius scale to Draven tho? Sure darius was the stronger protective brother but that was ages ago, and Swain sure is leader of noxus but wouldnt it just be better to scale him to Leblanc since he's killed her a few times, i think i remember it being somewhere, might be wrong on it tho
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It is stated in the profiles that Darius is stronger. That's why I wrote it like that. Yes, we can also scale Swain to LB. I said Draven's top in the most definite way.

Galio~~Sion>Draven'den Galio would be Low 7-B
 
This would also upscale Trundle. He did mostly dominate Darius in that 1v1, with Darius barely surviving the true ice stuff and defeating him.
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
Why would Swain or Darius scale to Draven tho? Sure darius was the stronger protective brother but that was ages ago, and Swain sure is leader of noxus but wouldnt it just be better to scale him to Leblanc since he's killed her a few times, i think i remember it being somewhere, might be wrong on it tho
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Darius and draven have a little comic where supposed to fight but instead they fought a beast togheter maybe we can use that (in the comic draven states even he couldnt have one shot that beast)? Also darius has a statement about being noxus's most feared leader and considering noxians values strenght above all maybe that could also come in handy ? Agree with using lb to scale swain.
 
VoidGoji said:
This would also upscale Trundle. He did mostly dominate Darius in that 1v1, with Darius barely surviving the true ice stuff and defeating him.
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Yeah, but young Trundle is fighting young Darius. And I know of no champion who can out-scale Trundle.
 
Ozcantabak said:
Darius and draven have a little comic where supposed to fight but instead they fought a beast togheter maybe we can use that ? Also darius has a statement about being noxus's most feared leader and considering noxians values strenght above all maybe that could also come in handy ? Agree with using lb to scale swain.
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Had no idea that thing existed, but if its canon i think its fine enough to use the comic imo, better than the entire "noxus valueing strength" thing because while true, its also true reputation plays a part in it and Draven is kinda just a glory seeker for himself rather than anything Noxus related unlike Darius.

Also if Darius scaled, Samira should too since she fought him in one of the ruination cinematics when he "just got possessed"
 
VoidGoji said:
This would also upscale Trundle. He did mostly dominate Darius in that 1v1, with Darius barely surviving the true ice stuff and defeating him.
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Personally id skip out on Trundle cause as Apollonir said its supposed to be a lot in the past, both a younger trundle and especially younger darius who possibly just isnt on same level as right now but good thinking yea
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
Had no idea that thing existed, but if its canon i think its fine enough to use the comic imo, better than the entire "noxus valueing strength" thing because while true, its also true reputation plays a part in it and Draven is kinda just a glory seeker for himself rather than anything Noxus related unlike Darius.

Also if Darius scaled, Samira should too since she fought him in one of the ruination cinematics when he "just got possessed"
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Fine by me but unfortunately samira currently doesn't have a profile.
 
Quite a few champs released after 2020 are missing profiles. Hell, even Bel'Veth is lacking one and she is a solid Low 7-B to 7-B just from the matter consumed, and some nice hax
 
VoidGoji said:
Quite a few champs released after 2020 are missing profiles. Hell, even Bel'Veth is lacking one and she is a solid Low 7-B to 7-B just from the matter consumed, and some nice hax
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I know that they see Bel'veth as a top tier character. Is she seriously below 4-B?
 
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