• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Monster Hunter General Discussion Thread.

JoshSSJGod said:
We have Gore at apex level.
Click to expand...
I mean technically yes but he is an Elder Dragon and he does consistently beat the crap out of Apex Monsters, stomping Goss Harag and Seregios in physical brawls in Rise and outright one-shotting a Tigrex in 4U's Title Screen Cutscene.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I mean technically yes but he is an Elder Dragon and he does consistently beat the crap out of Apex Monsters, stomping Goss Harag and Seregios in physical brawls in Rise and outright one-shotting a Tigrex in 4U's Title Screen Cutscene.
Click to expand...
Gore's classification is always ???. I know it does turn into one but it isn't classified as one as of yet. And yes he does typically beat Apex monsters but that is just a higher degree of apex level.
 
JoshSSJGod said:
Gore's classification is always ???. I know it does turn into one but it isn't classified as one as of yet. And yes he does typically beat Apex monsters but that is just a higher degree of apex level.
Click to expand...
Yeah,Gore has usually been kept away from the "regular" elders or the Rajang/Deviljho/Bazel invader group,at least so far.
 
Where do you all think Chaotic Gore sits? Closer to Apex Tier or at least Low-End Elder Dragon like Kirin given he's like half Shagaru?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Where do you all think Chaotic Gore sits? Closer to Apex Tier or at least Low-End Elder Dragon like Kirin given he's like half Shagaru?
Click to expand...
Ignoring where he shows up in gameplay in games like Sunbreak and specifically GU and things like his sunbreak version having more threat stars than Shagura,he's probably low end elder until he's given either a turf war or a cutscene to compare him with the stronger monsters.
 
Crobatman44 said:
Ignoring where he shows up in gameplay in games like Sunbreak and specifically GU and things like his sunbreak version having more threat stars than Shagura,he's probably low end elder until he's given either a turf war or a cutscene to compare him with the stronger monsters.
Click to expand...
Fair enough. He's at the very least stronger than Gore for obvious reasons.
 
GU is the weirdest one since every monster is there base game wise(no TU),so chaotic showing up where he does looks wacky(he outright has the same unlock requirements as G rank Chameleos/Teostra/Kushala).
 
For a future Chaotic profile revamp, should we add to its weakness that "its in a constantly berserk state due to the unbearable pain its in + body slowly destroying itself"?
Also yeah, definitely low tier elder at least
 
VoidGoji said:
For a future Chaotic profile revamp, should we add to its weakness that "its in a constantly berserk state due to the unbearable pain its in + body slowly destroying itself"?
Also yeah, definitely low tier elder at least
Click to expand...
I mean it shares a profile with Gore and Shagaru already so might as well just revamp all of them. Pretty sure someone earlier in the thread already has a sandbox with updates on it.
 
The small monsters like Talioth and Piragill can survive large barrel bombs exploding point blank in their face. Also I watched a Nerscylla utterly obliterate a massive stone pillar in the Wounded Hollow. Also I just remembered that massive chunk of wall in the Ancient Forest from World that can be broken by any large monster to gather more hidden materials. Man, there are so many feats to calc in this damn series. 😭
 
vsbattles.com

Capcom Discussion Thread

A thread to discuss everything related to Capcom and their games. Verse-Specific Discussion Threads Street Fighter 6 General Discussion Thread Monster Hunter General Discussion Thread Marvel vs Capcom Discussion Thread Resident Evil Discussion Thread Mega Man Discussion Thread Devil May Cry...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
I like how this game gives us a full on in-game cutscene for the sheer power difference a Tempered Monster is compared to its regular self with Tempered Lala Barina throwing hands decently well with Guardian Fulgur Anjanath in High Rank.
 
You know, I just realized that the power clash mechanic is ******* phenomenal for helping to convince people the Hunters scale to the monsters in terms of actual physical strength and that it's not just the equipment carrying them through these fights.
 
Personally, and this is my Headcanon, I think the armor and weapons do help but they're also a net physical boost

Remember how the Spirit Slash attacks from Longsword (and presumably all kinds of other charge weapons) are Ki based, and Safi'jiiva's abilities are directly compared to the human ability to shape the environment?

What if those two things are one in the same, and humans are more literally capable of manipulating bioenergy through weapons, amplifying the materials and themselves to be much more powerful while drawing from their innate attributes for elemental attacks?

No substantiation but I've personally found it a really cool idea which justifies the fact there's no level ups beyond getting better gear
 
DMUA said:
Personally, and this is my Headcanon, I think the armor and weapons do help but they're also a net physical boost

Remember how the Spirit Slash attacks from Longsword (and presumably all kinds of other charge weapons) are Ki based, and Safi'jiiva's abilities are directly compared to the human ability to shape the environment?

What if those two things are one in the same, and humans are more literally capable of manipulating bioenergy through weapons, amplifying the materials and themselves to be much more powerful while drawing from their innate attributes for elemental attacks?

No substantiation but I've personally found it a really cool idea which justifies the fact there's no level ups beyond getting better gear
Click to expand...
I can get behind that. What I more so meant by my post though was "Screw your anti-power scaling BS now check this shit out - The Hunters who are literally getting into physical grappling matches with Monsters several fold their size and yeeting them backwards".
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
So how's the scaling for the new monsters?
Click to expand...
Pretty easily in the same ballpark as most of our prior monsters with one two exceptions, one who might have a nice calc worthy feat and another who's massively above everyone else that's a gargantuan spoiler.
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
What does monster scaling look like btw? (I don't know anything about this verse)
Click to expand...
Small Monsters are 9-B to possibly 9-A depending on how you calc certain feats, the next tier of monsters are monsters like Great Jaggi or Great Girros who some of the smallest Large Monsters that stomp Small Monsters but get their ass kicked by anything in the High 8-C range like Barroth. Barroth is our benchmark for the low-tiers as it has the High 8-C feat that set the bar in the first place but it gets stomped by the Apex Tier Large Monsters like Diablos (who one-shot it in a cutscene), Rathalos (can fight Diablos and Lagiacrus on even terms in cutscenes) and Lagiacrus (who actually has a feat that's like triple that of Barroth's value). Then there's this weird spot just above the Apex Tier that's not totally out of their ballpark which seems to be occupied by three Monsters as far as I can tell, that being Gore Magala (who physically ragdolls Monsters on par with Rathalos at the minimum or is shown one-shotting them in cutscenes), Jin Dahaad (a new Monster that's portrayed as a sort of raid boss-esque monster in Wilds) and Arkveld (who is similarly shown to overpower Apex Tier Monsters fairly consistently). Next is Kirin, the weakest Elder Dragon in the series but an Elder Dragon nonetheless who can create thunderstorms which put it in Low 7-B and just above that are the Deviant Monsters like Hellblade Glavenus who can reduce mountains to cinders but since that should be impossible we just calculated it at 7-B for Violent Frag. Next we have a massive jump in power for more bog standard Elder Dragons at High 6-C for Kushala Daora casually dispersing massive storms very rapidly. There are some other Large Monsters who scale to these guys too like Deviljho, Rajang, Espinas, Silver Rathalos and Gold Rathian. Next is another tier jump to Low 6-B for both Dalamadur being stated to be able to shake the world as well as Zorah Magdaros who's death in Everstream would have scorched the New World entirely if it wasn't redirected to the ocean. Above them we have Xeno'jiiva for not only absorbing Zorah's energy but also the energy of countless Elder Dragons over the course of fifty+ years and actively weaponizes that energy to fight with. Above Xeno'jiiva is Shara Ishvalda and Ruiner Nergigante who scale to a stronger version of the Hunter who killed Xeno'jiiva. And finally we get to our God Tiers, that being the Dangerous First Class Monsters or Black Dragons as most people call them, the strongest Monsters in the series bar none. This would include Fatalis, Alatreon, Safi'jiiva, Disufiroa, Dire Miralis and Merphistophelin who have multiple statements that place them magnitudes above everyone else, including world ending statements, but don't have any direct feats to show for it since they get killed by the player characters pretty much as soon as they show up.
 
To be fair, I'm more interested on the scaling of Guardians and Xu Wu but thanks for the detail
I think Nu Udra, Uth Duna, and Ajarkan should be on Apex tier (and likely below Arkveld), right?
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
To be fair, I'm more interested on the scaling of Guardians and Xu Wu but thanks for the detail
I think Nu Udra, Uth Duna, and Ajarkan should be on Apex tier (and likely below Arkveld), right?
Click to expand...
I don't know about Ajarakan since they get stomped by Nu Udra in its intro cutscene and their in-game Turf War but Nu Udra, Uth Duna and Rey Dau are easily Apex Tier. Hell, Uth Duna has a Turf War with Rathalos in the game where it can't do much against it in range but as soon as things got physical it was overpowering Rathalos, albeit not to a stomp degree.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I don't know about Ajarakan since they get stomped by Nu Udra in its intro cutscene and their in-game Turf War but Nu Udra, Uth Duna and Rey Dau are easily Apex Tier. Hell, Uth Duna has a Turf War with Rathalos in the game where it can't do much against it in range but as soon as things got physical it was overpowering Rathalos, albeit not to a stomp degree.
Click to expand...
Oh right, I remember that turf war between Anjarakan and Nu Udra, yeah the former got demolished so bad there
How about the Guardians and Xu Wu?
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
How about the Guardians and Xu Wu?
Click to expand...
Don’t know about the other Guardians but Xu Wu wins its turf war against Guardian Ebony, the only hit Ebony does is blasting off Xu Wu when it tried to eat it but afterward Xu Wu yanks it down with a tentacle, stabs it multiple times and slams it on the ground.
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Don’t know about the other Guardians but Xu Wu wins its turf war against Guardian Ebony, the only hit Ebony does is blasting off Xu Wu when it tried to eat it but afterward Xu Wu yanks it down with a tentacle, stabs it multiple times and slams it on the ground.
Click to expand...
It stomps every other guardian it fights,it makes fulgur topple with a single stab and grounds Rathalos with two,they don't get a single hit in,and they have to struggle to break out of his Grip,Xu Wu strong.
Commenting on the above,Ajarakan looks cool but he's not apex tier at all,he's not him.
 
Last edited:
My question is why is Guardian Doshaguma so much stronger than even the Alpha Doshaguma? Alpha Doshaguma is clearly stronger than the normal ones but they're not Apex Tier since they only reason they're ballsy enough to pull up on the village is because there's a lot of them but they're still individually not too far above the low-tiers since Balahara can contend with them for a bit but then we have Guardian Doshaguma who has a fairly decent showing against Guardian Fulgur Anjanath before eventually losing.
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Been busy with Wilds and other games but from looking at it again, I don’t think I’m really missing anything too notable and thus could probably update them soon after their accepted in a CRT on them and their additions.
Click to expand...
Only thing I think might be missing is the lack of the amps being mentioned in Gore/Shagaru's other stats.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Lilybitdun
Fraymakers General Discussion Thread
Replies
17
Views
770
Lilybitdun
Lilybitdun
Sans2345
Monster House: General Discussion Thread
Replies
0
Views
729
Sans2345
Sans2345
M2u12
Shangri-La Frontier General Discussion Thread
Replies
3
Views
720
Kazuma_kuwabara
Kazuma_kuwabara
Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh
Tales of Arcadia General Discussion Thread
Replies
15
Views
906
TheLooperB
TheLooperB
Kellex
Earthbound/Mother Discussion Thread
2
Replies
72
Views
4K
Randomuser3412
Randomuser3412
Back
Top