Monster Hunter General Discussion Thread.

[JoshSSJGod]

How well do you guys think Xu Wu would do against Guardian Arkveld compared to the other Guardians?

Slammed by Arkveld. Capable of fighting Guardians like Odogaron directly (they're paired together for quests which implies a level of relativity between them). Higher level Guardians are able to beat it such as Rathalos. Xu Wu's thing though is that it often goes after weakened foes as we see in its turf wars where it will target downed Guardians.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Slammed by Arkveld. Capable of fighting Guardians like Odogaron directly (they're paired together for quests which implies a level of relativity between them). Higher level Guardians are able to beat it such as Rathalos. Xu Wu's thing though is that it often goes after weakened foes as we see in its turf wars where it will target downed Guardians.

Isn't it kind of weird that Xu Wu would be weaker than Rathalos when it's relative to Ebony Odogaron who stomped it's normal variant as it's first on-screen feat? The same normal variant that can compete with monsters like Tigrex and Legiana in Turf Wars?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Some interesting stuff.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Slammed by Arkveld. Capable of fighting Guardians like Odogaron directly (they're paired together for quests which implies a level of relativity between them). Higher level Guardians are able to beat it such as Rathalos. Xu Wu's thing though is that it often goes after weakened foes as we see in its turf wars where it will target downed Guardians.

On what basis is Guardian Rathalos a higher level Guardian? It’s just based on a standard Rathalos where’s Guardian Odo is based on the subspecies which stomped its regular counterpart as mentioned above.
While not a turf war, Xu Wu from what I’ve seen nearly always downs any other Guardians before trying to eat them.

Xu Wu to me is a Monster with a very high offensive power and agility but poor defense, any Guardian could probably easily maim it should they get a hold of it. I think Guardian Arkveld could kill it with a single direct heavy hit to the main body.
I think a match between the two would depend on if Guardian Arkveld could get that solid hit in, which I believe could be possible given its unique compared to the other Guardians Xu Wu has adapted to prey upon.

I could see Xu Wu consistent attempt to devour a downed Guardian end up screwing it over against Arkveld, like it downs GA and attempts to devour it but GA uses it chains to grab a hold of Xu Wu, get it off and slam it to the ground that’ll either straight up kill it or heavily injure it.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Forgot to bring it up here until Soul reminded me there, I have made a CRT on my rework for the Elder Dragons with a Risen state.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/monster-hunter-crt-elder-dragon-profile-rework-and-additions.178242/

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This is a huge intelligence feat, especially with the following post in the thread.

 

[Rich987]

How well do you guys think Xu Wu would do against Guardian Arkveld compared to the other Guardians?

I think he would still be punished, of course with more difficulty than the other monsters.

 

[DMUA]

So,

Spoiler: About Title Update 1

Zoh Shia's pretty cool. Not a lot of notes there, he's just kinda what we've already seen from Low Rank but with bigger numbers and neat skills on it's stuff

The one that really gets me is Mizutsune. It hits way harder than it feels like it should, and it can apparently TURN INTO A SOULSEER MID FIGHT???

I was already thinking about bringing up how Monsters should probably have reactive evolution as a standard power given deviants are just creatures under specific conditions, and they can build up tolerance to status ailments in at least World if not other games, but like, what even

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Spoiler: About Title Update 1

The one that really gets me is Mizutsune. It hits way harder than it feels like it should, and it can apparently TURN INTO A SOULSEER MID FIGHT???

I was already thinking about bringing up how Monsters should probably have reactive evolution as a standard power given deviants are just creatures under specific conditions, and they can build up tolerance to status ailments in at least World if not other games, but like, what even

Spoiler

Soulseer mid fight also surprised me but as you mentioned with the Deviants, it’s not too crazy to think the regular individuals are capable of gaining these abilities given Deviants and Apex (Rise) Monsters were originally just regular individuals.

 

[VoidGoji]

Spoiler

Damn, Zoh getting that High-Mid regen from the family as long as its in the dragontorch and has wylk

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Are Monster Hunter Stories and Orage canon?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Are Monster Hunter Stories and Orage canon?

Probably not. There's no outright confirmation in either direction to be fair but I'd say it's more likely to be non-canon or at the very most canon adjacent like GxK Titan Chasers is for the Monsterverse.

 

[VoidGoji]

What hypothetical tier would Primalzeno be? Iirc, it hardstomped Gaisma and was called the greatest threat faced by the kingdom + being absurdly above its corrupted form.

Oh, and speed stuff: should both versions get a "Higher in short bursts", since it perception blitzes the Fierce to the point of looking like its teleporting?

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

What hypothetical tier would Primalzeno be? Iirc, it hardstomped Gaisma and was called the greatest threat faced by the kingdom + being absurdly above its corrupted form.

Oh, and speed stuff: should both versions get a "Higher in short bursts", since it perception blitzes the Fierce to the point of looking like its teleporting

Given it’s IIRC intended to be the final and greatest challenge for the Sunbreak Hunter, I believe above the strongest Risen Elder Dragons, CG Valstrax and Shagaru Magala.

Yeah, it should have higher in bursts given the Fierce can keep up with CG Valstrax but Malzeno looks like it’s teleporting to them.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

With the new buffs Gore got what do you think is stronger, True Frenzy Gore or Chaotic Gore?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Lots of interesting stuff in here.

 

[Rich987]

One question, does Shara have no profile?

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

One question, does Shara have no profile?

Nope, I was planning to make it soon.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Interesting lil fact. In the JP version of Wilds Zoh Shia is referred to as a Forbidden Class Monster (The JP version of Dangerous First Class).

 

[DMUA]

I guess that spells it out even more

Granted from my understanding even in high rank we haven't really fought it at it's full potential at all, but maybe I'm making that part up

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

I guess that spells it out even more

Granted from my understanding even in high rank we haven't really fought it at it's full potential at all, but maybe I'm making that part up

Other than its White Guardian form constrict and sealing its true form, I think we see its full might once it’s full body is freed and I don’t believe I’ve seen anything stating or hinting that this form ain’t its full potential.

 

[DMUA]

It did seem to be just lingering inside the Dragontorch ala Xeno'jiiva as if it was still trying to build itself up (Or maybe contain the Fatalis parts inside it and that conflict is what weakens them), but I dunno, mostly it just feels particularly strange that the Hunter here would jump from fighting Apex Monsters immediately to one of the strongest creatures in existence

Maybe information will come out later confirming that perspective, maybe Guardian Monsters are Elder level, maybe the Hunter in wilds is just built like that, time will tell

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Question, I have been playing through Monster Hunter Frontier and I've been wondering where the Disufiroa statement of it being the strongest monster came from.
Also on a random note, the Frontier hunter is the most built different Hunter I've ever seen. White Fatalis is unlocked at early game of all things. Zeniths, Supremecies, Hardcores all come after and are insane by comparison. Honestly, if I got the time I'd be up to making a Frontier Hunter profile. They got insane stuff that the mainline stuff just doesn't have like being capable of applying insane levels of damage reduction of themselves, being capable of using the unique elements and effects that opposing monsters use (e.g. Burst Rathalos has the light element which the hunter gets access to through the weapons).

 

[Rich987]

So guys, what did you think of AT Rey Dau?

 

[DMUA]

I think I way over hyped myself, the stuff he's given as an arch tempered makes him more annoying than really difficult

It really boils down to you being significantly more restricted about when you engage since you have to wait out all of the lightning strikes that follow his attacks, and you're never hitting the 50 minute mark with that in mind so it just feels like things are being dragged out

I'm not even sure how much easier playing Lance made it, since it's main advantage mostly gets shut down by the fact they have to keep their shield up and it really wouldn't be that different to dodge its attacks and wait (or just go for another part of the body away from the lightning)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Are there any power statements given about Arch-Tempered Monsters in comparison to the Tempered Monsters?

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

I haven’t seen any statements on Arch Tempered and the quest description just says it’s an extremely powerful Rey Dau, they’ll probably just be harder versions that only exist for events rather than story fights and thus won’t have anything in game.
Maybe we’ll get something from a book for Wilds but we’ll have to wait and see.

Btw, have been working on Zoh Shia since we got that link confirming its Forbidden Class and wanted to ask how’s it look thus far?

 

[VoidGoji]

Looking nice

 

[VoidGoji]

Btw, what did you guys think of UbannedLagiacrus' dragon element thread? Maybe we could get some stuff from there

 

[DMUA]

Btw, have been working on Zoh Shia since we got that link confirming its Forbidden Class and wanted to ask how’s it look thus far?

Although the white Guardian coat is stated to constrict[4] and seal

I KNEW I WASN'T INSANE!

But this single confirmation and the lack of concrete feats in Wilds above High 8-C probably slaps it down to that tier. The crystal horn for instance is something that sticks even when their initial crystalline exterior sheds and that is one of the things that seals it down (and obviously it doesn't become actually trillions of times stronger by entering it's second phase)

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I KNEW I WASN'T INSANE!

But this single confirmation and the lack of concrete feats in Wilds above High 8-C probably slaps it down to that tier. The crystal horn for instance is something that sticks even when their initial crystalline exterior sheds and that is one of the things that seals it down (and obviously it doesn't become actually trillions of times stronger by entering it's second phase)

To be fair, Zoh Shia does have the feat of soloing one of the Ancient Civilisations and has the fact that it was absorbing energy for god knows how long. At minimum it should be at least average elder tier given a jump like that has happened a good amount in the series.

 

[DMUA]

I get that logically they should be Elder Tier at least since Dragonators and the likes are regularly used to fend off that class of monster, but I dunno there's just nothing onscreen showing what the ancient civilization is capable of and the Guardians are Apex monsters

I dunno, I feel it's something that we may want to save for later given how much stuff is in the air/doesn't really make sense at face value

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

I get that logically they should be Elder Tier at least since Dragonators and the likes are regularly used to fend off that class of monster, but I dunno there's just nothing onscreen showing what the ancient civilization is capable of and the Guardians are Apex monsters

I dunno, I feel it's something that we may want to save for later given how much stuff is in the air/doesn't really make sense at face value

If you believe it currently lacks solid feats and statements, then how about a At least High 8-C, Likely or Possibly Low 6-B? The statement we have and it’s abilities being that of Fatalis I think are enough to have a tier we believe it is Likely in over just putting a “Likely far higher”

 

[DMUA]

Mmm

I don't like it but that'll probably be fine, since the possibility is very well there

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

K, I’ll change it to that for now and wait awhile to see if anyone would like to discuss it.

Aside from tier, how does everything else look to you?

 

[DMUA]

I think "Limited" on immortality is a bit unnecessary since it just comes down to sustaining themselves with an easily available resource, you can just leave it as a weakness and detail in the description

You probably also want to list it's exact measurements in Large Size since those are recorded, besides that I think you're good there

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Monster Hunter Dalamadur ftl reactions

This one’s pretty simple, as much as the Dalamadur meteors bring ftl is itself based on a super messy calc that assumes a lot of really weird things like the meteors that are explicitly not a known material being a metal from the sun (that we know about), I can get behind that, it shouldn’t...

vsbattles.com

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This will be a great addition to Rey Dau's eventual profile. Look how much more powerful and skilled it is.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Has anyone ever calculated how much LS Kulve Taroth has for carrying that absurd amount of gold all the time? Pretty sure Steve had a crazy calc for his gold carrying so Kulve should get some good numbers that can be helpful to scale with the other Monsters on its level and above.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bro, are we getting legit Street Fighter scaling now?