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Goku Ssj4 is the most beautiful transformation and that's what every fan wanted, Akira Toriyama made canon.
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Dragon Ball are not video games, it is a continuous series with its clear story, this is the story of Goku as a child, then as an adult, and now with Super and whatever continues after.
the only similar thing they have is in ideas, like any other work of fiction that has ideas, and i am tired of the "but they are similar"no they are not.
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how is it not dumb?
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In the worst possible way, just because someone likes an idea does not mean that that idea will be well applied or well implemented.
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"Decanonize"? Dude, "canon" is nothing more than a continuity word, being in continuity with one series or another makes it "canon" to that continuity, Super manga clear is a continuation from the OG DB Manga, so it is as "canon" as Daima in that aspect, both are just not canon to eachother
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Dragon Ball Online isn't canon and Akira helped with the story for that one iirc
The author doing it doesn't make it inherently canon, the author can fully do an one off story out of continuity with another work he did
The several contradictions?
there is nothing saying Daima is canon to Super, Akira never said it did, and the one quote you used to say it was... was from someone who iirc didn't even worked on it or the DBS Manga, in fact, DBS Anime is not canon to the OG DB Manga as well even if it used Akira's notes as basis, so like... yeah
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continuity and canon don't seem to mean the same
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it does... of course it does, specially when there is nothing saying it is canon to the specific series in question to begin with
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Omega and the infinity blah blah blah
Show saying that it is not canon Omega, do not come with arguments taken from the voices in your head, using retcon to refute work of being canon is the first time I have seen it in my life
Work > your endless talk
Just read what is written at the beginning of this sentence and be well, i will not burn my neurons with you with your infinite arguments.
Show saying that it is not canon Omega, do not come with arguments taken from the voices in your head, using retcon to refute work of being canon is the first time I have seen it in my life
Work > your endless talk
Just read what is written at the beginning of this sentence and be well, i will not burn my neurons with you with your infinite arguments.
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ok, do explain both to me
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canon it is whatever it is the confirmed story to follow, the correct one, continuity, seems like the narrative or things related to it.
both sound like they are the same...but i feel they are not, like, one thing can't be canon, but still be in the same continuity (example, a videogame having the same storyline has another...it is not canon however)or you have that tv series, that is unrelated to the source material, basically it is another continuity, but it is canon.
like you know what i mean, there are examples of things that are from the same continuity, but still not canon.
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the show is saying that it is not canon? cool that you agreed with me
you continuously trying to shoot off any argument you disagree with by saying "it is ridiculous" in a different way will not make the points go away, as such... all this tells me is that you don't have a real point against them at all
Retcons only work if you assume that it is meant to be in continuity with Super to begin with... which you still need to show any proof for at all
You should really hear yourself more, that is a great point against all you said
yeah, Akira made the story of it, still doesn't say it is in continuity with Super tho, so again, show me where it is said that it is canon to Super
there is no such thing as "the correct story", what are you talking about?
if it is from the same continuity then it is canon to the said continuity, if it isn't then it isn't canon to the said continuity
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Because there's no reason for being dumb? I mean, Super having two different canon don't make It dumb.
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I'm on the side of Daima not being part of the same continuity as either version of DBS, it should absolutely be canon to the original manga but kinda hard to say it's also canon to Super given the obvious glaring issues.
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From my perspective, I like to imagine that Toriyama had not passed away last year, there would've easily been a second season for Daima that would've gone into more depth about certain contradictions in the story.
But as it currently stands? I acknowledge that Dragon Ball is a series that is known for having contradictions, I'd even argue that's a characteristic of the series, but Daima introduced contradictions that are far from being insignificant to the narrative (like Shin and Kibito being unfused at the start of Daima even though they were still fused in Super, Vegeta not using Super Saiyan 3 against Beerus, and Goku not using Super Saiyan 4 against Beerus during their first fight). And the frustrating thing is that because Toriyama is gone, and assuming Daima doesn't get a second season, we may not get a explanation.
And before it's said: yes, I do believe that Daima is canon to Dragon Ball, though I believe it is its own continuity with elements of Super sprinkled in between instead of being directly connected.
But as it currently stands? I acknowledge that Dragon Ball is a series that is known for having contradictions, I'd even argue that's a characteristic of the series, but Daima introduced contradictions that are far from being insignificant to the narrative (like Shin and Kibito being unfused at the start of Daima even though they were still fused in Super, Vegeta not using Super Saiyan 3 against Beerus, and Goku not using Super Saiyan 4 against Beerus during their first fight). And the frustrating thing is that because Toriyama is gone, and assuming Daima doesn't get a second season, we may not get a explanation.
And before it's said: yes, I do believe that Daima is canon to Dragon Ball, though I believe it is its own continuity with elements of Super sprinkled in between instead of being directly connected.
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yeah because the kaioken definitely is not a dumb thing that causes no problems...neither does Zamasu cloning himself...neither Master roshi being able to dodge attacks when, he should not be able to do that, all the events of the tournament of power and...ok you got the idea?
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Yeah none of these are problems I agree
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how none of this are problems?
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Cause nothing suggests these are problems
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Ok, you point is that "The Super manga and Anime have contradict events, so they not Canon to each other, and is Dumb that they are the Canon continuation of the original manga"?
Yeah, that's don't make this Dumb, a series can have different Canon sequels that dont 100% follow each other, it don't make It dumb.
It happens so often, that It stop meaning anything
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your answer is basically "it is a double no"man, goku uses the kaioken, when in the manga, he never uses it, and i mean never, and that is a big problem.
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well then dragon ball definitely is doing it the dumb way, both are canon, even if the stories play out different, even if the events are different, even if the transformations are different, yes both are canon (this is dumb)
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which just makes everything worse, is like when you defeat a boss, and then you discover that the super armor he had, was a armor he bought in a store from the outside of the town...and it is only 15000 gold in cost.
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It disappoints me how few people here seem to enjoy a good toriyama gag
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Is not, you not understanding.
Super anime and Super manga are not Canon to each other.
They homever, are Canon sequels to the manga, being two different continuities.
Is that simple.
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Dude, none of Toriyama's gags in his series consisted of the most powerful object that almost made the heroes lose... it turned out that it could be bought in a regular store.
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that still makes no sense to me.
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You open your argument by saying these things are issues without saying why, and then you question me as to why they aren’t problems, what counter argument is there to make??
This is not an issue, like at all, this is just something the anime decided to add in it’s not a plot hole or anything.
You’re basically saying any difference the anime and manga make is a problem of the canon, even though both aren’t canon to each other so neither is important to the other
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a way to do a harmless gag will be like, make Goku eat the bugs and then, he turns into a bug, but the all powerful eye that basically grans you unlimited power and regeneration and adaptation...can be bought in the convenience store?at least angelic weapons can be bought to a overlord and you need to have tons of money.
have a cookieAlright
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out of the three latest incarnations of Vegeta
GT, Super Manga and Super anime, who has the highest 2-C scaling?
GT, Super Manga and Super anime, who has the highest 2-C scaling?
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The Super anime one is the only one with 6 Uni scaling
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i see, man, i am so used to only english being used here that brazilian portuguese feels so cursed lol
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I know right?
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Dare I say he cooked…
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