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I'll just leave it to the mods, but is beyond the limit of space and time referring to a higher dimension(5D) or is it the very concept itself?
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LOW 1-A/ 1-A BEN 10
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It's literally just that by the scans, nothing really says about the concept itself, it's only yappery about an incomprehensible dimension there.
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doesn't mention anything about the concept. If anything that panel is the only mention we get about the universe, we know the universe has at least 26 dimensions but thats got nothing to do with these aliens
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Figured there was something wrong; thanks for explaining, bro!
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If I'm not wrong the argument is that The Ghost Ship universe is Low 1-A thanks to Beyond Dimensional Existence
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It was brought up 2 times already
Low 1-A Ben 10 Upgrade
This CRT is based on this proposal (read Theory of everything section directly for justification of low 1-A) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING/SIMULATED_MULTIVERSE_AND_THEORY_OF_EVERYTHING_IN_BEN_10 Low Outerversal is defined as : Characters whose power is on...
Ben 10 Cosmology: High 1-B upgrade
Introduction This thread mainly focuses on upgrading the Ben 10 cosmology to High 1-B, as a result, upgrading few characters and weapons. Premise In order to prove the Ben 10 cosmology being High 1-B, I would introduce a new Universe inside the Space Beyond that is stated to be infinite...
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Neither of these were 1A.It was brought up 2 times already
Low 1-A Ben 10 Upgrade
This CRT is based on this proposal (read Theory of everything section directly for justification of low 1-A) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING/SIMULATED_MULTIVERSE_AND_THEORY_OF_EVERYTHING_IN_BEN_10 Low Outerversal is defined as : Characters whose power is on...vsbattles.com
Ben 10 Cosmology: High 1-B upgrade
Introduction This thread mainly focuses on upgrading the Ben 10 cosmology to High 1-B, as a result, upgrading few characters and weapons. Premise In order to prove the Ben 10 cosmology being High 1-B, I would introduce a new Universe inside the Space Beyond that is stated to be infinite...
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we're talking about low 1-a now
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I talk about using content from the Ghost Ship content to make any kind of upgrade.
The arguments are always the same, just that the tiers are different.
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It wasn't the same at all, the first one was about a "Simulated universe" an the second one argue High Hyperversal Tier instead of Low Outer one (at least at the beginning)It was brought up 2 times already
Low 1-A Ben 10 Upgrade
This CRT is based on this proposal (read Theory of everything section directly for justification of low 1-A) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING/SIMULATED_MULTIVERSE_AND_THEORY_OF_EVERYTHING_IN_BEN_10 Low Outerversal is defined as : Characters whose power is on...Ben 10 Cosmology: High 1-B upgrade
Introduction This thread mainly focuses on upgrading the Ben 10 cosmology to High 1-B, as a result, upgrading few characters and weapons. Premise In order to prove the Ben 10 cosmology being High 1-B, I would introduce a new Universe inside the Space Beyond that is stated to be infinite...
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tiering system changed between upgrades last I checked. Also they're going for a harder and more difficult tier than before, and iirc midway through the high hyper thread it switched to low 1-A.
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He also has [Low] 1-A with powers
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Where did the topic change exactly?
Yeah, you can't ban an entire comic/panel from being used. You can argue for a rule to have a type of argument from stopped being used. The arguments here are different, and even then the same argument must've been used a multitude of times before such a rule tends to be implemented. Hellformer tried to implied a rule against people trying to downgrade the 26D but it failed due to people not having tried enough.
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You underestimate me.
Sure.
But I am trying the reverse, aka stopping the usage of the aliens from Ghost Ship to be used for any kind of cosmological upgrade.
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I'm gonna have to for an ask for explanation before they do.
How is he Low 1A with his powers?
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Eh we tried the same thing for 26D downgrade but 2-3 isn't just enough for rule addition
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were we not reading the same thread? We discussed 1-A not being viable, then the guy whose post was used as evidence for low 1-A asked for more elaboration to which we gave
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But isn't a rule for 26D already there?
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Well ghost ship being high 1-B was rejected because that "incalculable dimension" wasn't dimensional plane but universe + attempts for downgrading Ben 10 were made more times (and making a rule for not downgrading 26D proposal was rejected)
Applies to very limits of spacetime (even mentioned in comic panel itself) which is what exactly makes ghost ship universe Incalculable (it's vertices can't be calculated)
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Not for downgrade, it's rejected in here
Ben 10: 26-D Discussion rule
In the past few months, we've encountered few threads (here and here) claiming that the 26 dimensions mentioned by Cosmic Mom do not hold any significant value or are "compactified," and these claims lack evidence, especially when this topic was talked about in the original upgrade thread. With...
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I do recall Ultima saying “incalculable dimension” and “glorious universe” inherently referring to the same subject. That already dismantles most of the argument since it seems more 5D ie “beyond space-time” than quantitively beyond space-time for Low 1-A.It was brought up 2 times already
Low 1-A Ben 10 Upgrade
This CRT is based on this proposal (read Theory of everything section directly for justification of low 1-A) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING/SIMULATED_MULTIVERSE_AND_THEORY_OF_EVERYTHING_IN_BEN_10 Low Outerversal is defined as : Characters whose power is on...Ben 10 Cosmology: High 1-B upgrade
Introduction This thread mainly focuses on upgrading the Ben 10 cosmology to High 1-B, as a result, upgrading few characters and weapons. Premise In order to prove the Ben 10 cosmology being High 1-B, I would introduce a new Universe inside the Space Beyond that is stated to be infinite...
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That was for high 1-B. Low 1-A was just mentioned by firestorm but no one argued to defend it as it wasn't main topic back then
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This thread literally uses the ghost ship as the basis for its upgrade, and the argument isn't much different from the last time.
Besides 3 times sometimes was deemed enough, RoR got a rule after that much iirc.
This can be done without any transcendence whatsoever. A NEP place without laws already does defy the space-time limits, but it can still be Low 2-C in size.
He pretty much said it does not grant anything.
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No. In-verse a Universe is created when an Annhilarrgh goes off inside of a dimension/White void.
Don't have the scenes on BRB.
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The main premise centers around the idea that the Ghostship is Low 1-A due to being beyond space-time. Yet, nothing of the sort really indicates that since the statements don't seem to talk anything about spatial dimensions nor that beyond space-time couldn't just mean Low 1-C. It seems just to be a higher-dimensional existence.
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Exactly
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Bruh, one of those was low 1-A upgrades didn't even mentioned ghost ship (was about Simulated multiverse)
But doesn't make it incalculable and superior (which is the case for ghost ship universe, feedback couldn't take a power source from their ship alone while he could absorb entire big bang of Ben's annihilarg universe means their universe is bigger and has even more energy than Ben's universe)
Because he took all those statements one by one instead of taking them as a set of evidences for just one thing + no one mentioned all that detail I mentioned in this CRT
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I'll reiterate my point then they'd be just higher in 1-B.
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No, your fluff does not make your argument look better. None of the statements imply any superiority, much less over the concept of dimensions.
I already did explain that these are all vague, and you're forcing them in being superior, when they just ain't.
Broski, I read the comic, and I do not see anything suggesting these aliens are superior to anything either.
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Calling staff feels better for this situation now, and i also disagree with crt
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Didn't he took statements "we're beings from Incalculable dimension" and "defying limits of spacetime" as seperate statments, if we consider both these same thing then I guess context gets clear that is their universe is incalculable due to defying spacetime (take these as same statement because these are same statement, not as different ones which is causing two different meaningless conclusions)
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Two negatives together do not make a positive.
Even when taking them together, the context is for them to be incomprehensible for the likes of Ben because of their dimension to work outside the conventions of space and time, thus not working the same way we do.
You're just repeating yourself with already debunked premises, either actually refute them instead of "it's superior because I say so", or shut.
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Even so, this could be only Higher dimensional like they said before, I suppose we need something else or have this as 27D, just saying
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TBF I don't get why we make the cosmology cap at 26D anyway, given that the "only 26 dimensions that matter" really implies at least 27D by the statement alone.
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Well then simple. Make Ben's Annihilarrgh Universe 26D due Kevin still believing the Universe to be everything despite knowing about them and give the 27D rating to the Omega Universe and the Space Beyond/Omniversal Force.
Are you and Abstract done fighting now? I have work in the morning.
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You can just……leave yknow
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Not the scene I was talking about but thanks.
Celestial_Scaler25
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Nah, I'm a sucker for suspense. Can't leave or stop till I see the ending. Pretty much binged all of Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon in a weak.
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