LOW 1-A/ 1-A BEN 10

[StrymULTRA]

What kind of "more elaboration" when I already elaborated "beyond limits of space and time and thus impossible to be calculated or be comprehend by a being from spatiotemporal universe".

You do realize you do not need to be Low 1-A for that correct?

Marvel Gods have only 5D HDE despite their realm being described as that, and TTGL is still High 1-C despite having many, many statements of transcending space, time and dimension.

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

This is not 1-A, as it's based on a dimensioned thing, when 1-A requires a complete and utter separation.

Isn't CAS 12D and PRB ∞D but they still have 1-A rating ?

Sure but... You do not need to be "bigger" for that to happen. This happens with literally every void that exists outside space and time, you can still be Low 2-C off that.

This is exactly why I mentioned "more infinitely larger" size of space beyond

Every dimension is already incomprehensible by its own for anything that's lower-dimensional. If it wasn't like that, we'd have already multiple 4D calculations and more.

What about statments of it being unfathomable? We still have some sort of understanding of realms that have more axis than 3, but ghost ship universe's nature is completely unfathomable

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

You do realize you do not need to be Low 1-A for that correct?

Marvel Gods have only 5D HDE despite their realm being described as that, and TTGL is still High 1-C despite having many, many statements of transcending space, time and dimension.

And DC got low 1-A on such statements

 

[StrymULTRA]

Isn't CAS 12D and PRB ∞D but they still have 1-A rating ?

Because of scaling from 1-A things, plus Comics have a special treatment about this tbh.

This is exactly why I mentioned "more infinitely larger" size of space beyond

This can be achieved by also just being +1D, really.

What about statments of it being unfathomable? We still have some sort of understanding of realms that have more axis than 3, but ghost ship universe's nature is completely unfathomable

This is:

• Mostly just pointless technobabble, as "unquantifiable dimension" by its own doesn't really mean anything, as that does not mean by its own any superiority. You can be incomprehensible also by simply taking whole other laws, having NEP, and so on.
• The word just means "impossible to understand", and if you check the link, you can see the word being used also for mundane things that do not need any transcendence.
• Again, we are aware of the existence of Higher Dimensions, but this does not mean we can perceive, imagine or comprehend them.

And DC got low 1-A on such statements

TBF DC is pretty weird about it and I'd have to see it myself, but the ones I also have mentioned hard cap at these tiers, because in their context it means more "being above the space-time of the dimensions below", and with Ben 10 case I do not see anything better.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

The ghost ship stuff is quite literally just technobabble that doesn't really justify low 1-A. Would need more elaboration than what the scans show.

You're counter-arguments for L1A is that everything said here is technobable and worthless. Not sure how you came to this conclusion.

We are beings from an incalculable dimension that defies the limits of space and time. A glorious universe unfathomable to a primitive minds such as yours.

All the aforementioned is reference to their size similarly to the Contumelia. Hence their size is the reason for their unfathomabeness.

Also let's take a look at the space beyond and why that wouldn't be close to 1-A.

Not gonna touch up on 1A stuff cause I didn't agree to it.
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Sure but... You do not need to be "bigger" for that to happen. This happens with literally every void that exists outside space and time, you can still be Low 2-C off that.

So, L1A Space Beyond then. Neat. I agree that the evidence for 1A Space Beyond is lacking.

Physical Laws are something that exist as long as a normal space-time is there. You do not need to transcend anything as a Tier gap sort of thing to achieve that, you really just need to lack space-time (BDE 1).

It encompasses all of existence, atleast on that plane of existence. Hence it's BDE (Type 2) on the notion of size.

Every dimension is already incomprehensible by its own for anything that's lower-dimensional. If it wasn't like that, we'd have already multiple 4D calculations and more.

Yeah but the Omega beings state their Universe to defy limits of space and time. Hence being incalculable(despite Annhilarrgh Universes being calculable) and unfathomable(similarly to Contumelia and their size).

This is not 1-A, as it's based on a dimensioned thing, when 1-A requires a complete and utter separation.

There is no evidence for this from what you shown me, just anti feats.

I disagree, possibly neutral, on 1A arguments in this tread.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Then how can we mere 3D humans show something in an Outerverse without it being similar to world war comprehend. If two objects are existing in an Outerversal void and are apart from each other, what other term is in our human languages to tell that they are apart from each other instead of saying that they are at a "distance from each other"? Of course non

Can you answer why or how these humans are even in a supposed outerversal realm in the first place?

 

[Electronic74947]

Disagree with 1-A, neutral on low 1-A

 

[Da3ggman]

DC Crisis Cosmology got low 1-A on statments of universes beyond Spacetime/ dimensions

@VeryGoofyToddler2 Is this statement accurate? Just want to check if it's actually true before making a judgement.

 

[Electronic74947]

@VeryGoofyToddler2 Is this statement accurate?

we could just check the DC cosmology blog too tbf

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

but the ones I also have mentioned hard cap at these tiers, because in their context it means more "being above the space-time of the dimensions below", and with Ben 10 case I do not see anything better.

I've checked both, they are on these tiers due to having separate statements about those things refering to HDE (like here's scan for marvel)

 

[StrymULTRA]

So, L1A Space Beyond then. Neat. I agree that the evidence for 1A Space Beyond is lacking.

Non sequitir. Also avoid using italic for like everything you say, it's annoying.

It encompasses all of existence, atleast on that plane of existence. Hence it's BDE (Type 2) on the notion of size.

You do realize you do not need to be Low 1-A for that correct?

Marvel Gods have only 5D HDE despite their realm being described as that, and TTGL is still High 1-C despite having many, many statements of transcending space, time and dimension.

Yeah but the Omega beings state their Universe to defy limits of space and time. Hence being incalculable(despite Annhilarrgh Universes being calculable) and unfathomable(similarly to Contumelia and their size).

This still is not Low 1-A. You can still be +1D and be beyond the notions of space-time if the lower verses.

Plus read about this:

This is:

• Mostly just pointless technobabble, as "unquantifiable dimension" by its own doesn't really mean anything, as that does not mean by its own any superiority. You can be incomprehensible also by simply taking whole other laws, having NEP, and so on.
• The word just means "impossible to understand", and if you check the link, you can see the word being used also for mundane things that do not need any transcendence.
• Again, we are aware of the existence of Higher Dimensions, but this does not mean we can perceive, imagine or comprehend them.

I've checked both, they are on these tiers due to having separate statements about those things refering to HDE (like here's scan for marvel)

So why can't Ben 10 be the same? The fact that they describe their own realm as an "Incalculcable Dimension" kinda makes it hard to not believe it's not reffering to HDE here.

 

[Da3ggman]

we could just check the DC blog too tbf

That page might as well be in hyroglyphics man I ain't got no clue what it saying half the time lol

 

[Electronic74947]

That page might as well be in hyroglyphics man I ain't got no clue what it saying half the time lol

Good point I got hit with unlimited void just trying to read it lmao

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

Can you answer why or how these humans are even in a supposed outerversal realm in the first place?

Paradox should get 1-A range (or low 1-A range if 1-A doesn't get accepted)
For now, paradox scales to entire Cosmology (can destroy it by chrononavigator) so if it gets accepted to be 1-A or low 1-A, he will probably get upgraded

 

[Lovemovies14]

Agree, seems ok.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Paradox should get 1-A range (or low 1-A range if 1-A doesn't get accepted)
For now, paradox scales to entire Cosmology (can destroy it by chrononavigator) so if it gets accepted to be 1-A or low 1-A, he will probably get upgraded

No it's not ok, because Paradox would have to use a 1-A source through some verse mechanic, and not being able to do it by himself, as that's an anti feat already.

 

[Electronic74947]

No it's not ok, because Paradox would have to use a 1-A source through some verse mechanic, and not being able to do it by himself, as that's an anti feat already.

Yeah was just about to comment that, stop stealing that.


Also can we petition Op to change his ugly ahh pfp.

 

[Hellformer]

You're counter-arguments for L1A is that everything said here is technobable and worthless. Not sure how you came to this conclusion.

We are beings from an incalculable dimension that defies the limits of space and time. A glorious universe unfathomable to a primitive minds such as yours.

All the aforementioned is reference to their size similarly to the Contumelia. Hence their size is the reason for their unfathomabeness.

Not gonna touch up on 1A stuff cause I didn't agree to it.
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So, L1A Space Beyond then. Neat. I agree that the evidence for 1A Space Beyond is lacking.

It encompasses all of existence, atleast on that plane of existence. Hence it's BDE (Type 2) on the notion of size.

Yeah but the Omega beings state their Universe to defy limits of space and time. Hence being incalculable(despite Annhilarrgh Universes being calculable) and unfathomable(similarly to Contumelia and their size).

I disagree, possibly neutral, on 1A arguments in this tread.

My thoughts are quite similar to this.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Also can we petition Op to change his ugly ahh pfp

Signed

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

No it's not ok, because Paradox would have to use a 1-A source through some verse mechanic, and not being able to do it by himself, as that's an anti feat already.

Quoting FAQ here

Put simply: A non-1-A cannot reach the level of 1-A by appealing to another non-1-A

However, there are ways to bypass this barrier. For example, a non-1-A can be empowered by a higher entity into being able to influence things on a qualitatively superior level.

A 1-A power source can infact power up a non-1-A to bypass 1-A barrier

 

[StrymULTRA]

A 1-A power source can infact power up a non-1-A to bypass 1-A barrier

And what 1-A source is Paradox using...?

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

And what 1-A source is Paradox using...?

Chrononavigator (scales to entire cosmos, so if entire cosmos gets upgraded to 1-A, it'll also get upgraded to 1-A)

 

[Electronic74947]

Quoting FAQ here

A 1-A power source can infact power up a non-1-A to bypass 1-A barrier

Yes but said way to power up is to get amped by a 1-A barrier, Paradox got his powers by mastering time and space after HE accidentally launched himself out of the time stream. He had no higher being helping him

 

[StrymULTRA]

Chrononavigator (scales to entire cosmos, so if entire cosmos gets upgraded to 1-A, it'll also get upgraded to 1-A)

This is not a 1-A source, that'd be a 1-A being or energy that specifically allows lesser beings to access their realm.

This is a 3-D clock, come the **** on.

 

[Electronic74947]

Chrononavigator (scales to entire cosmos, so if entire cosmos gets upgraded to 1-A, it'll also get upgraded to 1-A)

But didn't he create the chrono navigator though? Also paradox turned it from a stopwatch to a prosthetic arm by himself anyways which would contradict it too no?

 

[Electronic74947]

This is a 3-D clock, come the **** on.

later turned into a prosthetic limb, pretty sure that gives it another anti-feat

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

But didn't he create the chrono navigator though?

Source ? (I've never seen an evidence for it)

Also paradox turned it from a stopwatch to a prosthetic arm by himself anyways which would contradict it too no?

later turned into a prosthetic limb, pretty sure that gives it another anti-feat

Changing physical form (container) ≠ Altering power source

This is not a 1-A source, that'd be a 1-A being or energy that specifically allows lesser beings to access their realm.

It's currently 26D, but will be 1-A if cosmos gets to 1-A

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It's currently 26D, but will be 1-A if cosmos gets to 1-A

He means that clocks should have their own 1-A source. You can’t just get 1-A power from 3D thing with 1-A AP, as that thing needs a 1-A source as well, otherwise it is not 1-A.

Just get a “reference point” (1-A entity/energy beyond the cosmo without any anti-feats) to make this work, prove that characters get powered from it. Simple.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It's currently 26D, but will be 1-A if cosmos gets to 1-A

I do not think you comprehend what I mean.

1-A sources here would be beings or energy sources that already are 1-A on their own and that from the outside allow lesser beings to do it. Paradox here created the Navigator without any 1-A source, he just used stuff from the cosmology.

Plus it'd lead to circular logic:

1. "Why is Paradox able to access 1-A places?" > "Because he created the Chrono Navigator."
2. "Why is the Chrono Navigator 1-A?" > "Because it can destroy the 1-A thing."
3. "How can it destroy the 1-A thing?" > Because Paradox can access 1-A places."
4. "Why is Paradox able to access 1-A places?" > "Because he created the Chrono Navigator."

And we can go on over and over.

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

You can’t just get 1-A power from 3D thing

And why you think it's physical form doesn't scale to source?

 

[Electronic74947]

Changing physical form (container) ≠ Altering power source

Moving the source around from container to container as a 3d being would contradict it tho. Also how did he get access to the chrono navigator in question, since he launched himself out of the timeline in the first place. He makes no mention of any higher beings outher than the celestial sapiens which have a restraining order of him so I doubt they gave it to him.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Source ? (I've never seen an evidence for it)

Chronoton particle? It's essentially map of everything. I don't think it has one.

Honestly, hold up on the 1A stuff dude. Not seeing a lot of people agreeing it.

Changing physical form (container) ≠ Altering power source

This makes sense ig?

It's currently 26D, but will be 1-A if cosmos gets to 1-A

But why tho, it would only scale to the SB.

Yall people gotta slow down. I'm a slow typer.

 

[StrymULTRA]

And why you think it's physical form doesn't scale to source?

Because there's no 1-A source to begin with, Paradox used just stuff within dimensioned places to create it as far as we know.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Moving the source around from container to container as a 3d being would contradict it tho. Also how did he get access to the chrono navigator in question, since he launched himself out of the timeline in the first place. He makes no mention of any higher beings outher than the celestial sapiens which have a restraining order of him so I doubt they gave it to him.

How do you think he got that restraining order?

 

[Electronic74947]

How do you think he got that restraining order?

why do you think he was so protective over the baby alien x

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

@VeryGoofyToddler2 Is this statement accurate? Just want to check if it's actually true before making a judgement.

It got a Low 1-A due to the plicate order being infinitely folded in higher dimensions outside the already said time and space from Wonderworld.

With that being said I disagree on 1-A and I swear this conversation was already brought up not to being 1-A and I still haven't seen a change in that.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

Agree with Low 1-A, Neutral on 1-A

 

[StrymULTRA]

It got a Low 1-A due to the plicate order being infinitely folded in higher dimensions outside the already said time and space from Wonderworld.

With that being said I disagree on 1-A and I swear this conversation was already brought up not to being 1-A and I still haven't seen a change in that.

Please disagree with Low 1-A too

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

It got a Low 1-A due to the plicate order being infinitely folded in higher dimensions outside the already said time and space from Wonderworld.

With that being said I disagree on 1-A and I swear this conversation was already brought up not to being 1-A and I still haven't seen a change in that.

Any thoughts on Low 1A then?

Please disagree with Low 1-A too

Not cool man. Not cool.

 

[Electronic74947]

Not cool man. Not cool.

nah made me laugh, very cool.