World of Darkness, an Unasked for Sequel

[Antvasima]

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Are any of you willing to help out here please?

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

If Tellurian is an H1-A+ character, then many characters—such as sorcerers or entities that use Quintessence—would also be H1-A+, right? And wouldn't it be considered an anti-feat if H1-A+ characters ended up fighting, defeating, or even killing each other?

 

[Eseseso]

If Tellurian is an H1-A+ character, then many characters—such as sorcerers or entities that use Quintessence—would also be H1-A+, right? And wouldn't it be considered an anti-feat if H1-A+ characters ended up fighting, defeating, or even killing each other?

Wouldn't they just be High 1-A+ smurfs? How does Quintessence work, exactly?

 

[Re5yh]

Oh btw, for anyone/staff looking into the verse. I have fixed the Umbra Tiering to add specifications for the different structures within to different layers/Meta-hierarchies.

Now if some individual here could add that information to the OP, for the benefit and time for any needed staff to give their opinion. That would be greaaaaat.

hello, I'm currently making gaia from world of darkness. also some update on world of darkness godheads (uploading new images) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/World_of_Darkness

 

[Apotheosis69]

If Tellurian is an H1-A+ character, then many characters—such as sorcerers or entities that use Quintessence—would also be H1-A+, right? And wouldn't it be considered an anti-feat if H1-A+ characters ended up fighting, defeating, or even killing each other?

Only Arete level 9, the absolute highest level of True Magick can do anything Tellurian level. Like full on creating one, manipulate it etc. The rest can warp the Tapestry or Umbra... which is still unfathomable

And no, its not an anti-feat for High 1-A+ characters killing one another. Type 1 High 1-A+ characters can be of different levels, even transcendent. So long as they abide by the same overall framework.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I was under the impression that there could only be one Tier 0 entity in franchise, so, if I am correct, why are a bunch of the World of Darkness pages Tier 0?

 

[Apotheosis69]

I was under the impression that there could only be one Tier 0 entity in franchise, so, if I am correct, why are a bunch of the World of Darkness pages Tier 0?

Yes there can only be one Tier 0 being. Its just that all those profiles aren't updated yet. I AM THAT I AM (which will be renamed to "The Essential Divinity") will stay Tier 0

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Yes there can only be one Tier 0 being. Its just that all those profiles aren't updated yet. I AM THAT I AM (which will be renamed to "The Essential Divinity") will stay Tier 0

I see.

 

[Apotheosis69]

In all honesty, all those profiles should've had the "Outdated" Template in them. Much like how Journey to the West and other verses have them.

 

[Ebihara]

In all honesty, all those profiles should've had the "Outdated" Template in them. Much like how Journey to the West and other verses have them.

What the policy on applying that, does there need to be a CRT or something.

 

[Re5yh]

Is this sandbox ready to be a vs wiki page?:

Re5yh/Sandbox2

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[Livinmeme]

And no, its not an anti-feat for High 1-A+ characters killing one another. Type 1 High 1-A+ characters can be of different levels, even transcendent. So long as they abide by the same overall framework.

If I renember correctly, the downstreamers godess isn't high 1-A+ because she trascends a type 1 structure.

 

[Apotheosis69]

What the policy on applying that, does there need to be a CRT or something.

There is no policy for that. Rather its encouraged to do it. For the sake of cleanliness of the wiki.

Is this sandbox ready to be a vs wiki page?:

Re5yh/Sandbox2

vsbattles.fandom.com

No. Please, leave the sandboxes and all that to me. Please

If I renember correctly, the downstreamers godess isn't high 1-A+ because she trascends a type 1 structure.

That... doesn't make sense. Source?

 

[Ebihara]

There is no policy for that. Rather its encouraged to do it. For the sake of cleanliness of the wiki.

so if supporters feel the template is needed they should apply it? Last thing ill ask about that. to not clog up the thread.

 

[Apotheosis69]

so if supporters feel the template is needed they should apply it? Last thing ill ask about that. to not clog up the thread.

If the article in particular is genuinely out of date, and is not usable for like Versus Battles. Then one can ask a Content Moderator or Admin to ask to add that Template to the article.

There is a CRT about addin a "Revision" template too, if you're interested

Post in thread 'Big CRTs and Bad Pages - A Different Way'

Feb 22, 2025

I honestly dig that idea for an "Unreliable" template.

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[Ihsjihahxu]

Only Arete level 9, the absolute highest level of True Magick can do anything Tellurian level. Like full on creating one, manipulate it etc. The rest can warp the Tapestry or Umbra... which is still unfathomable

And no, its not an anti-feat for High 1-A+ characters killing one another. Type 1 High 1-A+ characters can be of different levels, even transcendent. So long as they abide by the same overall framework.

Wait, hold on. Characters at the High 1-A+ level are completely equal to one another, and it's both possible and impossible for them to surpass each other. If one transcends all possibilities, they would attain Tier 0. However, if their traits do not align with Tier 0, then it would be an anti-feat, meaning they were never High 1-A+ to begin with, as Ultima once stated.

Due to the nature of how it works, High 1-A+ has similar properties to Tier 0, in a way. For instance, all characters in that tier are exactly equal. You can't really be above the collection of all possibilities and yet be, yourself, one of those possibilities, as that'd be an obvious contradiction. So ultimately, transcending a High 1-A+ means you're Tier 0, and if you supposedly do that while also displaying traits very unlike those of a Tier 0, then the thing you transcended was just never High 1-A+ to begin with.

Furthermore, a character "blowing up all possibilities," or something to that effect, is likewise incoherent. That is because a High 1-A+ space would be, in effect, the collection of all possible contingencies: All the things that aren't necessarily true, but aren't necessarily false, either. For example, your existence is a contingency, because it could have been that you never came into existence.

So, if a character blew up all possible worlds, and this was a contingent event, then there would be a possible world where... they... didn't do that. That's an obvious paradox, so, yeah, doesn't work at all, either. The only way to be High 1-A+ is to be the embodiment of all possibilities yourself

 

[Apotheosis69]

Wait, hold on. Characters at the High 1-A+ level are completely equal to one another, and it's both possible and impossible for them to surpass each other. If one transcends all possibilities, they would attain Tier 0. However, if their traits do not align with Tier 0, then it would be an anti-feat, meaning they were never High 1-A+ to begin with, as Ultima once stated.

There are two types of High 1-A+ (Types 1 and 2), Ultima and Goofy have talked about this before.

Type 1 is a collection of (im)possibilities or possible worlds which can be collected into what is called a "large world". Or it can be at least an Uncountably Infinite Meta-Qualitative Hierarchy to reach it. There can be multiple High 1-A+ (Type 1) beings, and they do not have to be equal.

Type 2 on the Other hand is indeed what ALL possibilities are: All possible worlds, frameworks and large worlds. Literally everything

What Ultima has put in that statement about everything being equal is about Type 2. Though, there can only be ONE Type 2 being. Just like with Tier 0

 

[Wesker018]

Is this sandbox ready to be a vs wiki page?:

Re5yh/Sandbox2

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Transduality (Type 5; Gaia exists above all logical duality represented by Classical and Non-classical logic models, these concepts are manifested in the Telluriam.)

what

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

what

Yeah um @Re5yh you're going to need evidence of that.

 

[Livinmeme]

That... doesn't make sense. Source?

The main manifold supporter quite litearlly told me that the godess can't be high 1-A+ because she trascends a high 1-A+ type 1 (maybe type 2?) structure. Also the same happened with that shitty slime series

https://vsbattles.com/members/oblivion_of_the_endless.9594/#profile-post-comment-133478

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

There are two types of High 1-A+ (Types 1 and 2), Ultima and Goofy have talked about this before.

Type 1 is a collection of (im)possibilities or possible worlds which can be collected into what is called a "large world". Or it can be at least an Uncountably Infinite Meta-Qualitative Hierarchy to reach it. There can be multiple High 1-A+ (Type 1) beings, and they do not have to be equal.

Type 2 on the Other hand is indeed what ALL possibilities are: All possible worlds, frameworks and large worlds. Literally everything

What Ultima has put in that statement about everything being equal is about Type 2. Though, there can only be ONE Type 2 being. Just like with Tier 0

No, High 1-A+ both types exists in an equal plane of existence. Both do not operate in a hierarchy nor can one be above the other one. Type 2 can contain the other in the sense that the same space ontologically on the same plane can have multiplicty of worlds.

High 1-A+ as in the infinite meta-quality can have a higher and lower based on who is higher in the hierarchy.

 

[Livinmeme]

No, High 1-A+ both types exists in an equal plane of existence. Both do not operate in a hierarchy nor can one be above the other one. Type 2 can contain the other in the sense that the same space ontologically on the same plane can have multiplicty of worlds.

High 1-A+ as in the infinite meta-quality can have a higher and lower based on who is higher in the hierarchy.

That makes no sense, high 1-A+ emobdies all possibilty, if there was a hierarchy of high 1-A+ then that wouldn't make it so they embody all possibilities.
PD: Also the fact that high 1-A+ can be archivied by infinte meta quality is pure nonsense, as this ****** is like....3 layers of infinite Supra meta quality.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

That makes no sense, high 1-A+ emobdies all possibilty, if there was a hierarchy of high 1-A+ then that wouldn't make it so they embody all possibilities.

High 1-A+ the type variants and High 1-A+ as in hierarchies of meta-quality are different. The former operates on logistic possibility while the latter is just a hierarchy of High 1-A. I made that clear.

PD: Also the fact that high 1-A+ can be archivied by infinte meta quality is pure nonsense, as this ****** is like....3 layers of infinite Supra meta quality.

Like 1-A, there's no end point. The possible worlds of High 1-A aren't formally apart of that same “hierarchy” that they, themselves, can contain.

 

[Apotheosis69]

If that is indeed the case, then I genuinely feel like that should be another type altogether, Ex: new Type 1 can be the Infinite Meta-Qualitative Superiorities), and then Type 2 and Type 3 can be the pure logistics. ( To avoid confusion/convolution.

Gù Chénshā is Meta-Meta Qualitative Superiority. Not Supra-Meta Qualitative

High 1-A+ TYPE 2 in particlar embodies and self-encompasses ALL (im)possibilities. Livinmeme

Where's Ultima when you need him…

 

[Wesker018]

Gù Chénshā is Meta-Meta Qualitative Superiority. Not Supra-Meta Qualitative

gu chensha is called supra due beign above an infinite hierarchy of hierarchies (High 1-A - Meta- Meta...Infinite meta extension).

 

[Wesker018]

That makes no sense, high 1-A+ emobdies all possibilty, if there was a hierarchy of high 1-A+ then that wouldn't make it so they embody all possibilities.
PD: Also the fact that high 1-A+ can be archivied by infinte meta quality is pure nonsense, as this ****** is like....3 layers of infinite Supra meta quality.

agree with you, we need ultima to clarify this for us because I feel like this guy goofy is making up his own standards lol

 

[Livinaa]

gu chensha is above called supra due beign above and infinite hierarchie of hierarchies (High 1-A - Meta- Meta...Infinite meta extension)

Correction: Gu Chensha is above the framework of meta-meta-meta-...-quality. Above all possible amount of meta extension. Hence why they created an entirely new name "Supra-Quality" for him

 

[Wesker018]

yeah i fixed that

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

agree with you, we need ultima to clarify this for us because I feel like this guy goofy is making up his own standards lol

I mean if you read the High 1-A explanation it was made clear that the Type variants share the same “+” modifier but don't operate inside hierarchies instead just on possibility.

 

[Agnaa]

No, High 1-A+ both types exists in an equal plane of existence. Both do not operate in a hierarchy nor can one be above the other one. Type 2 can contain the other in the sense that the same space ontologically on the same plane can have multiplicty of worlds.

High 1-A+ as in the infinite meta-quality can have a higher and lower based on who is higher in the hierarchy.

High 1-A+ the type variants and High 1-A+ as in hierarchies of meta-quality are different. The former operates on logistic possibility while the latter is just a hierarchy of High 1-A. I made that clear.

Like 1-A, there's no end point. The possible worlds of High 1-A aren't formally apart of that same “hierarchy” that they, themselves, can contain.

I mean if you read the High 1-A explanation it was made clear that the Type variants share the same “+” modifier but don't operate inside hierarchies instead just on possibility.

This is extremely incorrect. Please stop spreading misinformation.

There are two types of High 1-A+, reaching it due to being able to affect arbitrarily large possible worlds, and reaching it due to embodying all possible worlds. The latter is inherently superior to the former.

There is no "High 1-A+ as in hierarchies of meta-quality".

Everyone else, please ignore Goofy; they do not know what they're talking about.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

There are two types of High 1-A+, reaching it due to being able to affect arbitrarily large possible worlds, and reaching it due to embodying all possible worlds. The latter is inherently superior to the former.

I never claimed Type 2 can't be superior. I just said the first variant more or less are equal regardless of how many worlds they embodied.

There is no "High 1-A+ as in hierarchies of meta-quality".

Then the bolded portion needs to be reworded following the sentence about the hierarchies of High 1-A.

The apex of this tier, represented also by a "+" modifier in their Attack Potency section (High Outerverse level+).

I was just going off of what was said in this thread. Ultima and I already had a talk about it so I was very much weary of what was said about High 1-A+.

Everyone else, please ignore Goofy; they do not know what they're talking about.

Also, unless you're not saying it without a condensing tone then I find this as rude.

 

[Agnaa]

I never claimed Type 2 can't be superior.

No, High 1-A+ both types exists in an equal plane of existence. Both do not operate in a hierarchy nor can one be above the other one.

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I just said the first variant more or less are equal regardless of how many worlds they embodied.

I believe that, like all tiers, we generally treat Type 1's as equal to other Type 1's unless the series establishes that they're stronger. I forget whether Ultima was okay with series treating Type 1's as stronger than each other, or not.

But yes, discussion of "how many worlds are embodied" is pointless, because the tier intrinsically corresponds to encompassing all possible worlds. If a character truly did affect less, they would simply not receive that tier.

Then the bolded portion needs to be reworded following the sentence about the hierarchies of High 1-A.

It doesn't, finishing the sentence makes its meaning extremely clear.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

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I will take accountability on my wording since I didn't add the parathesis for “above one another” as only referring to Type 1. Given that we've discussed this in another thread, I don't see why you think I jump ship on that interpretation.

I don't blame you for that but then again I don't see how you would think I meant Type 2 is fully equal to Type 1 given I've handle profiles with the second variant as the cosmological apex. I'll look past this due to poor wording on my behalf.

I believe that, like all tiers, we generally treat Type 1's as equal to other Type 1's unless the series establishes that they're stronger. I forget whether Ultima was okay with series treating Type 1's as stronger than each other, or not.

But yes, discussion of "how many worlds are embodied" is pointless, because the tier intrinsically corresponds to encompassing all possible worlds. If a character truly did affect less, they would simply not receive that tier.

I'm pretty sure they're all equal on most bases. Your stance on whether something is “pointless” or not is quite a weak point, but you did make a good point on beings losing tiers on the basis that encompassing all possible worlds just has one meaning.

It doesn't, finishing the sentence makes its meaning extremely clear.

This part I was wrong on because I've shifted my view on it due to this thread. I could of read the OP wrong and that's on me. I went with it since prior to this as seen in my earliest post “+” variant is coveted only by the type variants.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Now that that's Over. Do you have any stances/thoughts on the actual OP Agnaa?

 

[Agnaa]

No.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Very well

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Very well

He's not a reliable source anyways.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

He's not a reliable source anyways.

... Was that comment necessary ? Just because he disagrees with you in things doesn't automatically make him unreliable

 

[Apotheosis69]

Yeah, let's not with this. Please

 

[Re5yh]

So do you agree with all the godheads being High 1-A and Essential divinity being tier 0?