Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Godernet]

So what is the difference between Naruto's One Tail Cloak and the Shinobi Alliance?

Hmm. From my perspective, it seems to be the same. It's from the same source of energy (Kurama chakra) and the same quality and quantity of chakra.

That is kinda where your argument falls short.

there is no way to prove it's the same amount or potency of chakra.

There is an instance with Naruto making his Konoha friends all wear the KCM2 cloak, a form meant to represent the full power of a link between Kurama and it's jinchuuriki in a non-avatar state.

Are we going to say all those cloaks made the Konoha 11 all as strong as KCM2 Naruto at full power just because it's the same energy source and they all look the same as Naruto?

If one has more chakra, they turn into two tails (it's been shown that the more and stronger the chakra, the more tails they have. Or so Kurama's chakra worked).

the amount of tails being added in shows the incremental increases of Kurama's chakra leaking out of Naruto before making a fully formed Kurama, as we see it grow bones and flesh with enough tails.

I don't think Naruto could just keep pouring chakra into the alliance until he made thousands of fully formed Kuramas.

1 Tailed is just the default state for a Kurama Chakra cloak, and he needed to give all of them a cloak.

the reason for Naruto's tail increases is specifically because of his relationship with Kurama as a Jinchuuriki, not something everyone who gets a cloak automatically shares.

Not to mention the 8 Tetragram Seal actively suppresses how much of Kurama's power can come out in those Naruto examples, whereas Kurama and eventually Naruto in KCM2 can freely choose the amount and potency he gives to people.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Saw some people saying that if Naruto (Part II) was in Konohamaru's situation he'd fumble as well. What do y'all think?

At least bro seduced Kaguya for the mission. Even if he did fumble stuff like this, at least has some quality that makes up for it. Konohamaru is literally a fraud. Bro has people backing him for Hokage. Unbelievable.

 

[Godernet]

Saw some people saying that if Naruto (Part II) was in Konohamaru's situation he'd fumble as well. What do y'all think?

hell no, especially if he was told like Konohamaru was that he had to act cordial towards them because they're too strong.

He would probably begrudgingly play along while thinking in his mind that she's weird, and if Matsuri did anything out of pocket like hurt someone he would probably snap at her.

even in Part 1, Naruto might play along but he would probably have a shorter fuse before going off on her.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Konohamaru in Boruto is a Kid Konohamaru victim in intelligence

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So what is the difference between Naruto's One Tail Cloak and the Shinobi Alliance?

Hmm. From my perspective, it seems to be the same. It's from the same source of energy (Kurama chakra) and the same quality and quantity of chakra. If one has more chakra, they turn into two tails (it's been shown that the more and stronger the chakra, the more tails they have. Or so Kurama's chakra worked). Since they both only have one tail (Naruto and the Shinobi Alliance), it means they have the same amount of chakra and power. To be honest, I thought Naruto was stronger because he's the original source, or closest to the original source of the chakra (Kurama). Like I said, I'm just throwing out ideas that come to my mind."

Also. I heard in the anime Boruto. Naruto at the age of 13. He was able to injure Urashiki Ōtsutsuki. So maybe the author made mistakes or didn't care if the one-tailed cloak could block madara's attacks. The author doesn't care about power scale

In addition to what Godernet said, I'd like to note that the cloak is stated to be much stronger than what Kakashi initially got against Obito, which made him more than 3x stronger, and 1T Naruto>>WA Kakashi is clearly not the case.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

hell no, especially if he was told like Konohamaru was that he had to act cordial towards them because they're too strong.

He would probably begrudgingly play along while being notably weirded out, and if Matsuri did anything out of pocket he would probably snap.

even Part 1 Naruto might play along but he would probably have a shorter fuse before going off on her.

I agree, Naruto is not that dumb to not understand that getting a being that can literally twitch their finger and make you disappear, mad is a good idea because she said something you don’t like

 

[HelloThere1089]

Imagine Naruto getting hot and puffy cuz of Sakura. I can't.

 

[Nierre]

Even if he did fumble stuff like this, at least has some quality that makes up for it.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I feel like even if he didn't back down like Konohamaru, he'd fight back, at least alot sooner than Konohamaru is.

But also I'm 90% sure Konohamaru has a plan here. It's possible he's waiting for her to get super close to him (like she is right now), so he can counter. It's why I'm not reacting as viscerally like everyone else is. He's not gonna die here so I'm certain this is a plan. The series (both Naruto and Boruto) always talked about ninjas needing to see the hidden meanings behind the hidden meanings/see through deception, so I think this is Konohamaru tricking her into getting riled up and losing her edge (like Jura was talking about in the same chapter) so he'll pull a fast one on her.

 

[Godernet]

actually tbf if it was Part 1 Naruto and it was someone he knew turned into a Shinju like Sakura or Hinata, he probably wouldn't play along and try to fight her to bring them back, unless someone like Jiraiya or Kakashi very sternly told him playing along was the only way to bring them back.

 

[HelloThere1089]

What if Konohamaru pulls up a genius level strategy next chapter

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I feel like even if he didn't back down like Konohamaru, he'd fight back, at least alot sooner than Konohamaru is.

But also I'm 90% sure Konohamaru has a plan here. It's possible he's waiting for her to get super close to him (like she is right now), so he can counter. It's why I'm not reacting as viscerally like everyone else is. He's not gonna die here so I'm certain this is a plan. The series (both Naruto and Boruto) always talked about ninjas needing to see the hidden meanings behind the hidden meanings/see through deception, so I think this is Konohamaru tricking her into getting riled up and losing her edge (like Jura was talking about in the same chapter) so he'll pull a fast one on her.

I sure hope so, or else his gonna be lower then kawaki on ranked fraud Listings

 

[Nierre]

Yeah I think people are going a bit too hard on Konohamaru, if Naruto was in this situation he wouldn't even come up with a plan and just try to beat down Matsuri, it seems like Konohamaru is waiting for her to lower her guard here, which was Shikamaru's plan, but instead since it didn't work as planned (getting them on his side), he's improvising here. Which is a genius play if true.

 

[Godernet]

saying Naruto wouldn't come up with a plan is kinda pushing it but yeah I agree that people should wait to see what happens with Konohamaru,

my bigger gripe is their dialogue exchange was quite painful to read and I'm hoping the official makes him sound less like a high schooler who's never talked to a girl before and more like an actual person let alone a trained Shinobi.

 

[Nierre]

Saw this theory on reddit about Hidari and Jura's conversation about love. It's a pretty interesting theory.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Kid Naruto would fumble
Not because he’s too stupid to allow her to say Naruto chan
But because he’d yap so much to the point of her wanting to kill him out of annoyance

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Konohamabum might be the dumbest in the verse. Like dead last. The other L takers at least show some intelligence. Kawaki is pragmatic and Code is a schemer. Konohamaru really just went "No I don't want that".

Hidden Village Civilians abusing the literal children holding nation destroying nukes in their souls were beaten?

 

[Samlex1234]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I feel like even if he didn't back down like Konohamaru, he'd fight back, at least alot sooner than Konohamaru is.

But also I'm 90% sure Konohamaru has a plan here. It's possible he's waiting for her to get super close to him (like she is right now), so he can counter. It's why I'm not reacting as viscerally like everyone else is. He's not gonna die here so I'm certain this is a plan. The series (both Naruto and Boruto) always talked about ninjas needing to see the hidden meanings behind the hidden meanings/see through deception, so I think this is Konohamaru tricking her into getting riled up and losing her edge (like Jura was talking about in the same chapter) so he'll pull a fast one on her.

Let’s hope. I’m praying for this to be this case.

 

[Uzumakisaber]

That is kinda where your argument falls short.

there is no way to prove it's the same amount or potency of chakra.

There is an instance with Naruto making his Konoha friends all wear the KCM2 cloak, a form meant to represent the full power of a link between Kurama and it's jinchuuriki in a non-avatar state.

Are we going to say all those cloaks made the Konoha 11 all as strong as KCM2 Naruto at full power just because it's the same energy source and they all look the same as Naruto?

the amount of tails being added in shows the incremental increases of Kurama's chakra leaking out of Naruto before making a fully formed Kurama, as we see it grow bones and flesh with enough tails.

I don't think Naruto could just keep pouring chakra into the alliance until he made thousands of fully formed Kuramas.

1 Tailed is just the default state for a Kurama Chakra cloak, and he needed to give all of them a cloak.

the reason for Naruto's tail increases is specifically because of his relationship with Kurama as a Jinchuuriki, not something everyone who gets a cloak automatically shares.

Not to mention the 8 Tetragram Seal actively suppresses how much of Kurama's power can come out in those Naruto examples, whereas Kurama and eventually Naruto in KCM2 can freely choose the amount and potency he gives to people.

Okay. I don't think the Konoha 11 example was good because they only appeared for a short time and didn't use any power. And unlike Naruto, they weren't literally a flame. They were just wearing a flaming cloak (KCM2). Also, they didn't have much screen time, except for blowing up Obito's armor. So, we don't know.

But you're right that they're not on par with Naruto in KCM2.


As for the increased number of tails, that's not just Naruto. There are other examples.

Kinkaku and Gunkaku, thanks to Kurama's chakra, were able to transform into 6-tails, and they weren't jinchuriki. And they were strong enough to kill Tobirama. So, they were as strong as Naruto the 6-tail I think. Also,


there was Blue B who was the 8-tails jinchuriki before killer bee , only from the remnants of the 8-tails chakra he was able to transform into 6-tails, and he fought Killer Bee in 6-tails

So, yes, there are examples where tail chakra competes with jinchuriki.

 

[Iabihs]

Hidden Village Civilians abusing the literal children holding nation destroying nukes in their souls were beaten?

Real life accurate ngl, people are just stupid

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Saw some people saying that if Naruto (Part II) was in Konohamaru's situation he'd fumble as well. What do y'all think?

yeah sure he would be stubborn in the fact that he wouldnt let matsuri say naruto chan or whatever but he would be fighting while doing so, not just sitting and waiting to be eaten.

 

[Uzumakisaber]

In addition to what Godernet said, I'd like to note that the cloak is stated to be much stronger than what Kakashi initially got against Obito, which made him more than 3x stronger, and 1T Naruto>>WA Kakashi is clearly not the case.

"I'm not saying that Naruto with the One-Tail Cloak should surpass Kakashi with the One-Tail Cloak. I'm saying that Naruto should at least have the same durability as one of the thousand mobs that managed to survive the Juubi Tenbinshi, or at least like Kiba's dog Akamaru.
even the dog managed to survive. I find it strange that Akamaru beats Naruto with the One-Tail Cloak (13-year-old Naruto) in terms of durability.

Also, the Kyuubi's chakra enhancement varies from person to person, with Kurama's chakra enhancing a person's base state by three time 3X . I find that Guy with the One-Tail Cloak surpasses Kakashi with the One-Tail Cloak. I also think that Naruto with the One-Tail Cloak should surpass one of the mobs with the One-Tail Cloak in terms of durability.

Also, until now, no one has told me what level of durability should be given to a character who managed to survive the Juubi Tenbinshi."

 

[Godernet]

"I'm not saying that Naruto with the One-Tail Cloak should surpass Kakashi with the One-Tail Cloak. I'm saying that Naruto should at least have the same durability as one of the thousand mobs that managed to survive the Juubi Tenbinshi, or at least like Kiba's dog Akamaru.
even the dog managed to survive. I find it strange that Akamaru beats Naruto with the One-Tail Cloak (13-year-old Naruto) in terms of durability.

Also, the Kyuubi's chakra enhancement varies from person to person, with Kurama's chakra enhancing a person's base state by three time 3X . I find that Guy with the One-Tail Cloak surpasses Kakashi with the One-Tail Cloak. I also think that Naruto with the One-Tail Cloak should surpass one of the mobs with the One-Tail Cloak in terms of durability.

He absolutely shouldn't,

One-Tailed Naruto can be hurt by CS2 Kid Sasuke, someone we know is weaker than Itachi and Orochimaru, Bijuu-level fighters.

The One-Tailed Cloaks from the War can take attacks from the Juubi and empower Bijuu-level fighters.

The One-Tailed Cloaks from the war are 3x stronger than War Arc Kakashi.

War Arc Kakashi isn't far off from the V2 Jinchuuriki or KCM Naruto, KCM Naruto is stronger than SM Naruto, who can compete with Pain, who can fight 4 Tails, somewhat hold his own against and even seal 6 Tails Naruto.

they're very clearly meant to be something far greater than what Naruto was capable of doing with the sprinkles of the Nine-Tails chakra that leaked out of the 8-Tetregram Seal when Naruto got mad.

Also, until now, no one has told me what level of durability should be given to a character who managed to survive the Juubi Tenbinshi."

it would probably be weaker than what they're currently rated, but also not possible to quantify iirc since the yield is very spread out and mostly offscreened.

It's the reason we don't currently use or even talk about it really.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Pretty sure Konohamaru will redeem himself next month. He’s all but primed to blow a Fire Style directly in her face to free himself. Hell, it’s likely just a clone and the “real” him his hiding nearby and the Reason Matsuri didn’t notice is because she was pre-occupied thinking of him and her feelings of “Love”.

 

[Damage3245]

Wasted opportunity not to have this happen at least once in the series tbh:

 

[Alexander]

...i am bisexual...wow i feel no different really

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Happens

 

[Alexander]

Happens

shit happens

 

[ssgengar]

Bro must’ve just took sum vicious

 

[Alexander]

Bro must’ve just took sum vicious

what do you mean?

 

[Ped2018]

shit happens

Wait, why is not censored?

 

[Alexander]

Wait, why is not censored?

shit does not count i think, ****, ****, ******, ****, do count

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Ryu is more Durable than Hidari?

1. A Direct Chidori to the same spot on Hidari, Sarada considers a fatal hit.
2. Same strike on Ryu she considers Shallow (But also, Ryu didn’t get the chance to turn into sand and she had certainly completed the thrust to it’s end, so it can’t be argued he turned into sand to mitigate the outcone).

 

[Godernet]

Ryu is more Durable than Hidari?

1. A Direct Chidori to the same spot on Hidari, Sarada considers a fatal hit.
2. Same strike on Ryu she considers Shallow (But also, Ryu didn’t get the chance to turn into sand and she had certainly completed the thrust to it’s end, so it can’t be argued he turned into sand to mitigate the outcone).

It seemed to me more like she just got a cleaner hit in on Hidari,

in the Hidari example, he misses his Chidori due to his lack of Sharingan leaving his entire upper body exposed for a Sarada who was already in close quarters to hit him.

in the Ryu example, they pin him down for a second and let him drop mid-air while she sprints full speed to land her Chidori.

it's easier to apply force on someone in a specific area if you're right in front of them and they're stationary than if you had to hit them while they are mid-air.

Not to mention he was already turning into sand before she got to him.

Also, her understanding of what is actually lethal to the Shinju wasn't the best when she first encountered Hidari as he ofc regen'd immediately after getting hit and kept fighting like it was nothing.

How she phrased it during the Ryu fight could also just be due to her new understanding of what it takes to incapacitate a Shinju.

 

[HelloThere1089]

I don't understand why people (mainly on reddit) all of a sudden are drawing parallels between Konohamaru and Naruto or Sakumo. Sakumo refused to leave his friends behind. That is wildly different from not letting someone call you chan. And Naruto has already shown that he is capable of deception, something Konohamaru has not shown yet. Naruto displayed pretty good acting skills during the Delta fight, and has pulled of numerous strategies in the entire series including momentary seduction of Kaguya. Why are people all of a sudden saying Naruto would fumble the same way just because their characters are somewhat similar? I'm sure Naruto wouldn't like it, but a nickname jeopardizing the entire fate of the world? Come on now.

 

[Testarossa002]

Like Nierre said, I really hope he's faking it and has some layered plan going on because his showing in that chapter contradicts his already established capabilities. This is someone who was Anbu. Surely, this was not the first mission that'll require him to be deceptive

 

[HelloThere1089]

Like Nierre said, I really hope he's faking it and has some layered plan going on because his showing in that chapter contradicts his already established capabilities. This is someone who was Anbu. Surely, this was not the first mission that'll require him to be deceptive

Wait he was anbu? The gift that keeps on giving.

That said if he does reveal a layered strategy next chapter, then he'll honestly redeem himself by a lot. That would be the most we've seen from him since Pain arc.

 

[HelloThere1089]

How would y'all rank all the Hokage in terms of being a leader?

Updated Hokage Rankings for me
1. Tobirama
2. Hashirama
3. Kakashi
4. Tsunade/Naruto (Naruto might be higher ngl because of his charisma)
5. Minato
6. Shikamaru (so far)
7. Hiruzen

This is not my favorites list tho, otherwise Shikamaru would be higher.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

How would y'all rank all the Hokage in terms of being a leader?

Updated Hokage Rankings for me
1. Tobirama
2. Hashirama
3. Kakashi
4. Tsunade/Naruto
5. Minato
6. Shikamaru (so far)
7. Hiruzen

This is not my favorites list tho, otherwise Shikamaru would be higher.

proven fact that racism gets you to places

 

[HelloThere1089]

I see Tobirama as a very good leader who just had a questionable (and unproven iirc) take on Uchiha biology. If you wanna count Danzo as a consequence of his actions then Hashirama prolly would be first. Tobirama's contributions just bump him a lot.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Tbh, I really just see Konohamaru going, “F*ck it!”, and going full assault mode.