Fatal wound is a wound that can cause death.. getting oneshotted would mean that sukuna would die instantly
And the reason why maho can block gojos BF's is because that was an gojo withouth any other hax or amp, it was literally just gojo and his reinforcement.., as maho was fully adapted to blue and limitless
? And that's what it means. One shotted. I already listed to you over various examples of how high Sukuna's endurance feats are and how far he can survive even without a heart, lungs etc. He has incarnation (transformation) and a BV to potentially save his ass. He has DA too but Sukuna thinks regardless with no exception made that he's COOKED IF he takes that hollow purple. So yes by all means Sukuna is getting one shotted lmao. I went over and explained how. You ignore the Japanese explanation given to you. So I'll be nice and just take that as you giving up in countering my points and just acting in pure denial.
? That was literally post 2 black flash gojo. Earlier he got knocked down from gojo's punches post adaptation in chapter 233... Actually why the fk am I repeating myself? You again went on to ignore shit. You can't comprehend the fact that Gojo is clearly getting weaker LMAO. Mahoraga went from getting easily knocked down and being forced to throw spit from the punches, to tanking black flashes. Take it or leave it. Ur wrong at The end of the day.
Chapter 227, gojo literally sees sukunas outputs getting increased, which obviously mean that he can see one's output lol, and idk why you keep making assumptions of gojo supossedly not going all out when the *** himself said that he was lmao, infact, for 50% of the fight, gojo didnt even knew that sukuna was using maho adaptation already ( from chapter 225 to 230 he didnt knew ) so gojo holding back CT is simply not true too
Because Sukuna used DA. OF COURSE HE WOULD see the output increase. Are you being serious with me? I'm telling you gojo can't measure YOUR maximum output. He can tell you can get stronger for sure but he can't MEASURE YOUR SKILL. That shit is literally part of your consciousness. When the hell did gojo became capable of analysing the skills of others??? You might be wanking him now ngl.
Also what did you say?
? Can you even say that? Anyways. Continuing on:
for 50% of the fight, gojo didnt even knew that sukuna was using maho adaptation already ( from chapter 225 to 230 he didnt knew ) so gojo holding back CT is simply not true too
i also dont know why you keep bringinp up the hp thing as sukuna literally blocks an hp with atleast 120% output in chap 224, and why do you think that gojo had to use a omnidirectional hollow purple?? because he knew that sukuna could simply dodge or hide from the normal ball one
Nothing actually in genuine intent says gojo is going all-out in the first round. You only got that going for second round at best, where the brain damage nerfs gojo more than it nerfs Sukuna, especially Gojo's CT. And even then gojo holds back his last purple based on context, gojo's and the gang's intent to SAVE Megumi and NOT kill, Sukuna thinking 100% purple regardless of DA or BV or incarnation has him cooked, etc. Regardless of even his own endurance in surviving shit like without a heart.
Yeah gojo doesn't know BUT he is wary of it and suspicious to why Sukuna isn't using it. Also yeah he is holding back on his CT? We see gojo spam his CT with CT brain damage far more than first round gojo ever did. Bro doesn't even use any blue projectiles or stun lock Sukuna in place with blue or do quick red spam on his ass when he very well can do this.
i also dont know why you keep bringinp up the hp thing as sukuna literally blocks an hp with atleast 120% output in chap 224, and why do you think that gojo had to use a omnidirectional hollow purple?? because he knew that sukuna could simply dodge or hide from the normal ball one
? Because Sukuna says he's getting one shotted by a 100% HP from a CT brain damage nerfed gojo LMAO. Like this is why nobody likes to debate with you on topics because you always ignore points that counter your argument and one's that explain why your argument is wrong. You keep ignoring it. You keep ignoring what's said.
He didn't block a hollow purple that is supposedly "at least 120%". He only says it because of what he had sensed at that time. By the time it arrived and destroyed everything else in its path, the output was weak enough to where Sukuna could get away with merely two arms blown apart and presumably DA being used.
Matter of a fact Sukuna and Mahoraga can't dodge purple. They tried to stop but failed. Gojo was literally chanting and in process of making blue and red merge into purple and neither Sukuna or mahoraga could get away. Use shadows to run, etc. The reason why gojo did that roundabout purple is BECAUSE of the fact that Sukuna and Maho kept jumping on Gojo to prevent him from using it. That's the actual reason stated and implied by both gojo and Sukuna.
"not that he went all out in strength" SAYS WHO? "the guns final wrath"?? lmao, gojo was literally nearly killing himself just from trying to catch with sukuna on the domain clashes bro, how is that not going all out?... a sukuna that was literally playing with gojo at the beginning and yet, he was pressing gojo, and yes, sukuna was holding back for the adaptation lol,
Literally nothing you have says gojo from the entire fight was going all out. You only have that going for the second round at best lol. And even then he held back at the last climax of the fight
? Gojo was never trying to nearly kill himself from catching with Sukuna. It's embarrassing for Sukuna even to get pressed on the defensive against a CT burnout nerfed + wounded + no domain amped gojo
? Sukuna never played with gojo. I think you need to tone down the delusional arguments gang.
OK so you want to ignore the statement that says he couldn't use it
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Man do I have to go over all the statements of Sukuna saying he wants to kill gojo... This shit is so ass
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Mf keeps saying Sukuna was holding back to not kill as if Gege hasn't been telling you multiple times that he needed mahoraga. Couldn't defeat gojo until Mahoraga. Etc
Then you have Sukuna aiming for the neck.
"Nah Gojo who is in a ct burnout phase. I can't let you escape from my domain that is relentlessly attacking you fr! Gotta have to hold back by keeping you in this domain from escaping!"
"gojo bro why are you so persistent with using SD to resist my domain Bro? It won't kill you fr trust"
Ig Kashimo can't see Sukuna stopping himself from killing gojo chat...
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"yeah I'll aim for the neck to kill you cuz u got rct"
Sukuna when he aims for gojo's neck be like
Yeah bro he's holding himself from killing gojo. bro holding himself back to lower his Dura to where he can have gojo put holes on him with his punches. He also held back in his healing speed in chapter 229 where he on purpose got caught up in getting hit by the UV sure hit. he also definitely let his domain collapse in 2m 40 seconds later so he could get hit by UV nonstop
OK bro stop this nonsense fanfiction writing. Go do this on a fanfiction site instead of here.
"He would only kill gojo after adapting"???? Greatest troll in history. How would he adapt to gojo's infinity when it is getting bypassed by the sure hit effect of his domain?
Pretty sure gojo was also in a CT burnout phase so what would he even do
stand there and wait for gojo to get his ct back? Bro stop yapping.
Infact why lie. He is saying doing both. The former won't even happen anyways. Gojo's output is already declining. His Ct in a burnout phase. His RCT also declining too greatly.
How can you yap this much is beyond me.
Reading with your head in your ass ain't gonna help you out in comprehending basic media literacy.
Also what? He says he needed the model in order to breach through infinity and kill gojo?
He hoped for this shit bro lmao.
You know what's even more funny with all this Sukuna holding back yap because he wanted this technique? Sukuna used a one time binding vow that nerfed his technique in exchange for being able to hit gojo without him being able to
1. Detect it.
2. Skipped handsign
And more
For the first part. I don't think I need to explain that not only has gojo seen Sukuna use 10S techniques for his own like elephant. But also the wheel on himself.
Not just that but gojo straight up has the best senses in verse when it comes to anything CE related. Can see Ce far more clear than anybody else. Can also sense CE spark. Something which world slash also has. And he also witnessed Mahoraga use it. That being said, we can confirm he's extremely familiar. He's also wary for Sukuna's "holding back trump card".
So how did it hit gojo without him moving a single inch?
Well the binding vow not only allowed Sukuna to bypass the hand sign requirement, but it was most definitely also further strengthened by the BV to either
1. Remain completely undetectable to gojo's senses. Ce spark. Ce build up for a move etc. All skipped
2. It was also invisible to his senses in seeing it move. Possibly instantaneous like some sort of sure hit effect. Otherwise it is impossible for gojo to not detect it. Let alone fail to move a single inch from his spot, especially when Sukuna is far weaker compared to gojo at his current state, which would reflect on his CT's speed itself.
So go ahead and explain to me why Sukuna used a BV to make his world slash ass? U got many people being able to either intercept it to stop Sukuna from using it, or dodge it afterwards, despite those people that being far inferior to gojo
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Oh true form? Fire arrow? Where? What would that do when gojo could pack that Sukuna up again? What would that do against a gojo in a zone + 5 BF? Sukuna has not only a declining output but also a garbage rct from the brain damage unlike gojo who got that fixed. He can't use DE either.
Not to mention the fact that we see gojo visibly surpass Sukuna pre hollow purple nuke in stats. True form ain't doing shit when gojo could just pull off quick red and blue
even in stats Sukuna is getting completely packed. Despite y'know, having the ability to use his true form quickly and go for a quick World slash which only requires a hand sign?? All of this tells us that his holding back trump cards are useless. Fire arrow can't work either in that scenario because... Infinity. And it is weak when not used in conjunction with his domain. His true form while it could heal his wounds bar brain damage, can't help him out much. If at all. Unless you think Sukuna transforming and using world slash would work. Which it wouldn't given how slower Sukuna is and gojo's own senses. All of this tells us that Sukuna had no other choice but to go for a world slash amped by world slash so that he can successfully take gojo down.
Also chapter 234 doesn't prove anything. Gojo was constantly on the move. Maho slashed and could only hit gojo's arm. Besides that Sukuna was continuously urging Mahoraga to do something and the wheel spinned to send out a world slash. Why can't Maho use world slash continuously to cut off his arms or prevent gojo from using hollow purple? You're ignoring this glaring flaw in your argument. Why would he just allow Mahoraga to die... Well we can make deductive reasoning that Mahoraga simply can't spam that world slash. That's all. Maybe he could only use it for one time because it is Sukuna's CT with extended range. or maybe there is a cooldown? Hard to say but we do know he can't use it freely. So no Sukuna isn't holding back.
But once again you ignored the fact that Sukuna says it is impossible to bypass and kill gojo without mahoraga. Herculean task.
Done.
I've long ago debunked your argument that Sukuna had no killing intent towards gojo.
just compare how sukuna was fighting at chapter 227 from literally every chapter before and after, at chapter 227, ( even limited at just h2h, while gojo had all his haxs ) he was easily capable of throwing hands with a refreshed brain +domain enhanced +blue and limitless gojo, sukuna outskills and stun the same gojo and even totally immobilize gojo just by holding gojo's legs with his hands
but after that, sukuna barely uses D.A and barely fights back, why? because the adaptation requires getting beated..
In chapter 227 Sukuna surprises gojo and catches him off guard with DA.
His output is greatly far more enhanced thanks to DA. DA output buff to the stats is far greater than SD is in buffing stats + nerfing blue enhanced punches to practically nothing. Nullification haxes in JJK are only more effective IF the person has lower output. Suffice to say, given that Sukuna is instantly bypassing infinity with ease - Gojo's blue enhanced punches might as well as be worth nothing with how low output they are. It's not as big output level as normal blue orb projectiles thrown at Sukuna let alone maximum output blue. So it plays little in enhancing Gojo's blows here. Moving on: Sukuna catches off guard gojo, deals LITERALLY no damage to gojo and only makes him surprised and pushed back and stumbling from multiple blows. Then he proceeds to increase his own output up, which even gets Sukuna surprised as we see.
Easily dodges and lands a free hit on Sukuna, which does something to him. And this was after Sukuna tried to punch gojo again, which gojo evaded and landed what looks like a liver punch.
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Sukuna uses this opportunity to entangle gojo for a moment and then we see gojo become confused and stand still doing nothing, contemplating as to why Sukuna turned off his sure hit. He was literally focused and giving the change of barrier conditions more focus than he is giving Sukuna
Sukuna went on to do another BV to do this quickly (lmao). Gojo still standing there, not really putting up a fight whilst Sukuna is occupied with changing barrier conditions and standing there too.
Also Sukuna is using DA every single time he fights gojo. Never does he not use it as this is blatantly proven false multiple times.
Also no? UV does not require Sukuna to get ass whooped. As for the second adaptation: HE'S LITERALLY trying to prevent gojo from giving him crazy ass whooping. Even dodging blue. Or even using DA to escape from risky moments. You're not reading the manga at all. Ur genuinely cooked.
Not to mention that gojo knew what happened to him, gojo HIMSELF explains and says he would lose and die if sukuna managed to get all the 4 spins on the wheel, so, no, he didnt got caught by surprise lol
???? He doesn't know HOW mahoraga can bypass his infinity. He doesn't KNOW he can do world slash. HE DOESN'T KNOW SUKUNA CAN COPY IT TOO
why are you just yapping off without reading. All of these is something gojo only learns afterwards. Sukuna explains to him what he needed to defeat gojo. Gojo didn't know this and that. He wasn't even ******* aware of how he lost nor does he fully understand Sukuna's full capabilities as literally proven by the manga itself - which itself tells us how these so called Trump cards are basically not that useful against gojo and might as well as be called garbage, which fire arrow fits in this context given that he couldn't use it cuz of how strong gojo IS.
Don't remember gojo saying he would die if that happened. So go ahead prove it.
Gojo the dude who fighted sukuna: "even if he didnt had 10S im not sure who wouldve won"
You're genuinely being stupid on purpose at this point...
YES BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHY HE COULDN'T USE FIRE ARROW BUT THE NARRATOR AND SUKUNA KNOWS WHY. HE CAN'T USE TRUE FORM BECAUSE IT ONLY SERVES AS A HEAL UP CARD FOR SUKUNA. AND SUKUNA DID NOT USE IT AT THE END OF CHAPTER 235 AND WENT FOR A BINDING VOW THAT NERFED HIS WORLD SLASH. WHY? BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T SAVE HIS ASS FROM BEING BEATEN BY THIS GOJO THAT DESTROYED MAHORAGA AND AGITO SO HE'D HAVE TO FIGHT 1V1 AGAIN AND GET CLAPPED UP AGAIN.
AND WHAT DOES SUKUNA TELL YOU? "I NEEDED MAHORAGA TO WIN". WHAT DOES THE NARRATOR FOR VOLUME 27 SUMMARY INFO TELL YOU IN THE QUOTE I LINKED? "HE USED MAHORAGA TO WIN"
do you understand now?
Its purely more refinement than CE, just look at sukuna vs gojo bro, Sukuna has atleast 3x or 4x times more CE than gojo has, yet, the only reason why sukuna could destroy gojos barrier was because he can attack from the outside, if it was by CE, gojo's domain wouldve been instantly crushed as they has similar refinement, but sukunas has much more CE than gojo, withouth even needing to attack from outside the barrier
The refinement IS literally carried by CE
we're told this by gojo. The potency of the barrier is quite literally because of refinement. And what can contribute to this is CE reserves and how skilled you are in barrier techniques + maybe even compatibility between domain expansions.
? It's literally BY CE. Megumi is QUITE BLATANTLY carried by ******* CE reserves. You cannot argue Megumi isn't crushed because he's skilled at barrier techniques refinement
They only have similar refinement because Sukuna has far more CE. Gojo is explicitly more skilled than Sukuna is in barrier techniques as he does not require to utilise a binding vow to change his barrier continuously, whereas Sukuna HIMSELF is directly stated to need binding vows to do this multiple times. Hell it's even implied that the open domain Sukuna has IS thanks to a binding vow. Yes infact you can use a binding vow to perform a action that you're normally incapable of due to lack of skill. That's what binding vows act as too. For example, as a hypothetical: you aren't skilled enough to use piercing blood with just one hand, and have to use two, but with a binding vow you can minimise it to just one hand.
and when was dagon stated to be equal to jogo in terms of CE reserves?
In the exhibition arc. Gege says Dagon is on the same level as Jogo is.
Though I don't see where I said he got equal CE reserves to Jogo? All I said is that he's on the same level. So likely could extend to CE reserves as well but shrug. He's still a cursed disaster spirit meaning he has lots of CE.
and you need to prove to me that megumi has a lot of CE, megumi was nearly dying from using 1 domain expasion, this is literally stated to be what an average sorcerer can do
I did. You're just being a fool on purpose. To be able to hold on for so long and with a incomplete DE against a decently skilled domain expansion user, Dagon, would require immense amount of CE reserves for Megumi to do this, especially against a cursed disaster spirit.
Additionally, the longer you use a domain expansion the more Ce you consume. 0.2 DE is far less Ce consuming than a 2 minute long DE is. And Megumi was able to hold on for several ******* minutes and then continue fighting against a holding back Toji whilst exhausted. Btw the reason for the nose bleed Megumi is having is because of the strain put on his body and most likely brain.
"vaguely did little to gojo".. Gojo was bleeding through the mouth and literally stopped working for a moment, gojo only did something like that with a BF+ blue/limitless amp and the with red impact lmao
Yeah I proved you wrong. Sukuna did this right after World slash cut off Gojo's arm in existence, and losing a limb is a big output nerf in verse. Additionally, with his infinity being abruptly cut through, this disrupted his CT. Then Mahoraga comes in to LAND HIS punch on Gojo, further disrupting his CE flow towards his CT in his body and Sukuna comes in landing a free hit on a caught off guard gojo. Sukuna isn't the one who did damage. As you can argue Mahoraga did, given he's the one to land a punch too on the significantly output nerfed gojo.
Anything else you said is pure yap and just wrong comprehension reading statement.
in your own panel that you got you can see a 4 bf amp gojo punching sukuna ( and doing nothing ),
Because he never landed a solid hit, stupid. He literally threw a punch to disrupt his piercing water stance LMAO. go read instead of wasting me and everybody's time with nonsense that is debunked blatantly by the manga itself
and again, maho can block gojo's BF because its just gojo with reinforcement, while sukuna was taking punches from a way stronger and faster gojo ( with all his ct and amps..)
There is no "again". Plain wrong and simple you are.
U genuinely can't even read basic shit like wtf
I just explained and told you HOW GOJO FKING knocked down Mahoraga with simple punches and MADE HIM THROW SPITTLE from being knocked down.
Sukuna literally got knocked out with just one black flash, you're just disingenuous as hell and can't read that Gojo IS GETTING WEAKER. Just as Sukuna is due to brain damage.
Use your eyes and stop IGNORING AND CHERRY PICKING scans.
You are genuinely the worst debater on this platform. Agenda debater. Cherry picker. And more.
sukuna got caught like that?... "PIS".. yes, if wasnt for plot ( as maho had to die so the other people could stand a chance in the final battle ) nothing would stop sukuna from simply hiding in the shadows or even more easy.. using the same WCS ( through maho ) that blitzed gojo two times and halfed him but maho had to be gone..
There is no PIS. We literally see Sukuna struggle to do anything to gojo quickly pulling up to Mahoraga and landing a black flash, then speeding around Sukuna and Sukuna tries to engage in battle but easily gets manhandled like a child IN an instant. Clearly gojo is more stronger and faster than Sukuna is.
Sukuna wanted to prevent gojo from using purple because if he doesn't then he's cooked. Gojo would probably just snipe his ass with a purple and hit him through the shadows. There is no PIS you're just glazing for the sake of glazing and ignoring flaws in your stance
? Mahoraga obviously CAN'T spam WCS. He only did it through the wheel ONCE. Doesn't seem like he can spam it as freely as he wishes so no you're plainly wrong.
Two times gojo got caught off guard isn't a blitz. Why you like to lie is beyond me. Sukuna needed to enhance his world slash through a binding vow lmao.
There's a reason why Sukuna despite his CE efficiency suddenly has more than half of his CE reserves missing, despite not having a single drop from chapter 250 and 260 where he used DE, World slash, rct, fire arrow etc whilst he was brain damaged which would screw over his CE efficency MUCH more
OR Why 10S no longer works just because mahoraga and couple of other shikigamis died. (The reason IS unknown)
I'm just saying Sukuna cleared used either of these or both as a sacrifice to enhance his world slash + use it for free once to kill gojo successfully.
Anyways at the end of the day the merging process and incantations are far more quicker than Sukuna and Mahoraga's movements. Cry about it.
Im saying tanked" in terms of maintaining his domain, and him being struck UV means everything, even if it was for just 0.01 sec, it was a mentally disabled sukuna so he couldnt be using D.A, and thats why gojo even lands a clean hit like that in the first way
Then you're plain wrong.
He literally manifested his DE after doing so and then he took his hands down. He wasn't mentally disabled either, we literally see him successfully manifest his domain expansion Completely and then take down his hands. No proof he didn't use DA as he would definitely go for it as he starts engaging in a fight with gojo.
Yes he lands a clean hit because THAT'S GOJO coming at him as he's moving somewhat more slower now. The fact remains that Gojo can put holes in Sukuna even if he has DA.
and bro, what are you talking about "barriers"?... sukuna doesnt have a barrier,
Wow you're again blatantly wrong on a JJK topic. What a surprise...
Open domains have a barrier dude. The only thing is that THE SHELL is open. The barrier IS not gone.
the only reason why his domain was getting destroyed it was because of the damage HE himself was taking, and when it was stated that sukuna needed to inflict damage again and again? look at when sukuna goes a domain clash vs yuta (gojos body) Yuta didnt had landed a single significant damage on sukuna, yet, with just one purple ( that has a big impact, exactly like red ) he damaged sukuna enough that he couldnt maintain his domain anymore,
The main factor is indeed because of the damage he was taking. However to assert that Sukuna's domain expansion isn't weakened as it is clashing against a equal refinement domain barrier is disingenuous. If there was no range advantage then both domains would eventually collapse from the clashes. The only reason Sukuna has a advantage is because of the range which allows him to target the weakness of the domain expansion to break it more faster than his own domain.
"When it was stated" no idea on wtf you're waffling about. Reread what I said.
? It's blatantly implied that the purple DESTROYED Sukuna's barrier AND Yuta's. Never was it because of enough damage inflicted. Hell Sukuna even says Yuta destroyed his own small barrier. Y'know one that is like the most durable domain barrier in verse based on the barrier tech. And Sukuna implies Yuta destroyed his too with it.
and if it was by your logic, then sukuna's domain would never collapse as he can just use RCT to negate all the damage he has been taking
I just explained to you that maintaining a domain expansion ISN'T Infinite. You can heal up all you want from the wounds you take but maintaining the domain is still something you need to control. Sukuna literally got hit by UV, and donutted BUT his domain didn't break. Why did it break in chapter 228 where gojo made another hole on Sukuna? It's just as I have explained - You can't maintain the domain for long as you continue accumulating damage, even if you heal those wounds, it is no use.
and you can clearly see that at the first domain clash on chap 229, sukuna had 0 significant damage onto his body, so he wasnt damaged at all, yet, just this single attack ( a red ) made his domain collapse
? We literally don't see the entirety of the 3 minutes exchange dude? It's mostly skipped and we only get to see the near the ending part of it. And like I said Sukuna IS healing.
It's not red and Sukuna tells you as much. Stop being purposefully dense and READ the scans being sent for fks sake.
Why is it that this dude loves bloody cherry picking the hell out of scans and ignoring the parts that shows the flaws in his arguments blatantly???
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