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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Giannysmag said:
Assuming Shibuya Gojo ~ Shinjuku Gojo in stats (which he is, Elde can argue against a brick wall) then yea
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Arkenis said:
Quite an assumption
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Not really

The switch training he did with Yuta was to teach the latter how to fight in Gojo's body and to better his CE control, Gojo didn't really gain anything from it. Gojo by Shinjuku is orders of magnitude stronger in terms of reinforcement than anyone else in the series (see Ryu getting one shot by 16F Sukuna's Cleave and then see Gojo surviving thousands of 20F domain anped cleaves) so logically there's no reason for the training to give him a substantial boost anyway.

Sukuna also immediately notes how Yuta, Yuji and the other sorcerers have improved their CE reinforcement but never even implies that Gojo has gotten stronger even tho they've clashed twice before so he should have a good sense of how strong Gojo was then.
 
Giannysmag said:
Not really

The switch training he did with Yuta was to teach the latter how to fight in Gojo's body and to better his CE control, Gojo didn't really gain anything from it. Gojo by Shinjuku is orders of magnitude stronger in terms of reinforcement than anyone else in the series (see Ryu getting one shot by 16F Sukuna's Cleave and then see Gojo surviving thousands of 20F domain anped cleaves) so logically there's no reason for the training to give him a substantial boost anyway.

Sukuna also immediately notes how Yuta, Yuji and the other sorcerers have improved their CE reinforcement but never even implies that Gojo has gotten stronger even tho they've clashed twice before so he should have a good sense of how strong Gojo was then.
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I was being sarcastic.
 
Giannysmag said:
Imo the Gojo Sukuna ranking goes like this
20F Meguna >= Shinjuku Gojo ~ Heian Sukuna >= Shibuya Gojo > 16F Meguna > Shibuya Yujikuna > Awakened Gojo > 3F Yujikuna > Pre Awakened Gojo
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Mostly agreed but I think Pre-RCT Gojo might beat 3F Sukuna too since he's below Mahoraga who's much less durable than Ryu (comparing their damages against Dismantle)
 
MinatoSparkle said:
A Gojo with much better stats than Toji and perfected Infinity/RCT would put up a decent fight 🤷‍♂️
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Sukuna with less than 10% output was able to match and harm someone equal to Toji and Yuji at once so stats-wise Sukuna is at the very least equal if not far stronger than Gojo at that point. As for infinity he has Domain amp to bypass it, open domain which will shred Gojo’s own domain and since he doesn’t have basketball domain he’ll have no counter. Gojo at this point would also have weaker stats overall so who knows if he’ll even survive the first blast from malevolent shrine
 
Giannysmag said:
What do Mahoraga and Ryu have to do with 3F Sukuna and Pre-Awakening Gojo lol
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Pre-RCT Gojo~Toji~Maki~Yuta~Ryu>Mahoraga, who Sukuna says might've been able to beat him at 3F
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Sukuna with less than 10% output was able to match and harm someone equal to Toji and Yuji at once so stats-wise Sukuna is at the very least equal if not far stronger than Gojo at that point. As for infinity he has Domain amp to bypass it, open domain which will shred Gojo’s own domain and since he doesn’t have basketball domain he’ll have no counter. Gojo at this point would also have weaker stats overall so who knows if he’ll even survive the first blast from malevolent shrine
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I don't agree with that applying to physicals but I'd rather not get into allat. I'm fine w Sukuna winning tho
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
You telling me Maho which has enough physical strength to kick 15F Sukuna across multiple street is weaker than Maki and Toji who couldn't even handle less than 10% of 16F Sukuna?
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Sukuna didn't expect Mahoraga to switch to CE which is a big part of why he got sent flying
EldemadeDityjon said:
I don't know where this scaling coming from
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Ryu is much more durable than Mahoraga, and if Mahoraga had a chance to beat 3F Sukuna, that means it may have been able to withstand 3F Sukuna's Fire Arrow, so the Special Grade tier of character is far above 3F Sukuna physically (cause obv Fuga>>>3F Sukuna normally), being able to injure each other
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Sukuna didn't expect Mahoraga to switch to CE which is a big part of why he got sent flying

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Ryu is much more durable than Mahoraga, and if Mahoraga had a chance to beat 3F Sukuna, that means it may have been able to withstand 3F Sukuna's Fire Arrow,
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Yeah, Mahoraga might have had a chance. Look at your own words: 'chance.' Sukuna didn’t outright state he would lose. So, in terms of physicals, 3F Sukuna and Mahoraga should be on a similar level. He might have made that statement due to Mahoraga's adaptation. Also, if Sukuna himself had a chance, it likely refers to Sukuna using flames against Mahoraga. Since it is his ultimate technique, your interpretation of Mahoraga withstanding Fuga is a non-factor here.

Either way, I don’t know why you’re bringing 3F Sukuna into this. I was talking about you downplaying Mahoraga below Maki and Toji. Only Shinjuku Showdown Yuta has any chance against Shibuya Mahoraga. Ryu might have a chance of beating Shibuya Mahoraga with his Max output but that's also questionable. But CG Yuta, any version of Maki, and Shibuya Toji all get cooked. With preparation, Toji might have a chance with ISOH.

But they’re definitely not physically overpowering Mahoraga. Also, you yourself admitted one thing: when Sukuna used Dismantle, Mahoraga didn’t use CE to defend. Mahoraga kicked Sukuna using CE later, which surprised Sukuna and caused him to let his guard down. So, technically, your own argument refutes the idea that Mahoraga is physically weaker than the others.
MinatoSparkle said:
so the Special Grade tier of character is far above 3F Sukuna physically, being able to injure each other
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I don’t really care if you think 3F Sukuna is weaker than those guys. As for Toji and Maki, they are between Grade 1 and Special Grade—they’re not straight-up Special Grade level, as far as I understand from the Shinjuku Showdown. It’s only mentioned that she can hang around with Special Grade sorcerers. So, Toji being her equal means he’s not Special Grade either. Also, the the guy got cooked by awakened Gojo, who wasn’t even Special Grade at that time.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Yeah, Mahoraga might have had a chance. Look at your own words: 'chance.' Sukuna didn’t outright state he would lose. So, in terms of physicals, 3F Sukuna and Mahoraga should be on a similar level.
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No, because if 3F Sukuna is physically relative, than he'd destroy Mahoraga with the MS + Fuga combo. It'd be more like Mahoraga<~>3F Fuga>>3F Sukuna
EldemadeDityjon said:
He might have made that statement due to Mahoraga's adaptation.
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He can't adapt to Fuga since Sukuna doesn't have any other attacks similar to it. Either Mahoraga survives that and wins or he gets one shot, there's no inbetween.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Also, if Sukuna himself had a chance, it likely refers to Sukuna using flames against Mahoraga. Since it is his ultimate technique, your interpretation of Mahoraga withstanding Fuga is a non-factor here.
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My point is that the result of the fight is ambiguous even with 3F Sukuna using Fuga.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Either way, I don’t know why you’re bringing 3F Sukuna into this. I was talking about you downplaying Mahoraga below Maki and Toji. Only Shinjuku Showdown Yuta has any chance against Shibuya Mahoraga. Ryu might have a chance of beating Shibuya Mahoraga with his Max output but that's also questionable. But CG Yuta, any version of Maki, and Shibuya Toji all get cooked. With preparation, Toji might have a chance with ISOH.
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Because of this?
Giannysmag said:
Imo the Gojo Sukuna ranking goes like this
20F Meguna >= Shinjuku Gojo ~ Heian Sukuna >= Shibuya Gojo > 16F Meguna > Shibuya Yujikuna > Awakened Gojo > 3F Yujikuna > Pre Awakened Gojo
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EldemadeDityjon said:
But they’re definitely not physically overpowering Mahoraga. Also, you yourself admitted one thing: when Sukuna used Dismantle, Mahoraga didn’t use CE to defend. Mahoraga kicked Sukuna using CE later, which surprised Sukuna and caused him to let his guard down. So, technically, your own argument refutes the idea that Mahoraga is physically weaker than the others.
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He didn't use CE to ATTACK, not defend. The Sword of Extermination is what's imbued with positive energy. Plus, Sukuna used Dismantle again after Mahoraga definitively was using CE and still cut through him (no it wasn't Cleave since the narrator says Cleave fits the criteria of a new attack)
EldemadeDityjon said:
I don’t really care if you think 3F Sukuna is weaker than those guys. As for Toji and Maki, they are between Grade 1 and Special Grade—they’re not straight-up Special Grade level, as far as I understand from the Shinjuku Showdown. It’s only mentioned that she can hang around with Special Grade sorcerers. So, Toji being her equal means he’s not Special Grade either. Also, the the guy got cooked by awakened Gojo, who wasn’t even Special Grade at that time.
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Um.
Giannysmag said:
On everyone's souls but mine, Minato is cooking
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I think that's a compliment so thanks?
 
MinatoSparkle said:
No, because if 3F Sukuna is physically relative, than he'd destroy Mahoraga with the MS + Fuga combo. It'd be more like Mahoraga<~>3F Fuga>>3F Sukuna
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Sukuna made that statement after analyzing Mahoraga's abilities. 3 Finger Sukuna wouldn’t have known about Mahoraga’s adaptation and would have tried his ability on it first. For that, he would need to be physically comparable to it; otherwise, he would get overpowered instantly. Sukuna wouldn’t make a statement suggesting he had any chances if he wasn’t comparable to it.
MinatoSparkle said:
He can't adapt to Fuga since Sukuna doesn't have any other attacks similar to it. Either Mahoraga survives that and wins or he gets one shot, there's no inbetween.

My point is that the result of the fight is ambiguous even with 3F Sukuna using Fuga.
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It may be correct to say Sukuna wouldn’t have many chances to use Fuga likely—not that Mahoraga outright would tank Fuga. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have any chance of winning.
MinatoSparkle said:
Because of this?
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Take this out on @Giannysmag
MinatoSparkle said:
He didn't use CE to ATTACK, not defend.
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You claimed Sukuna was surprised because Mahoraga was using Cursed Energy. If he already knew Mahoraga could strengthen itself with Cursed Energy reinforcement, he wouldn’t have been surprised. Reinforcements are needed to strengthen oneself so Mahoraga shouldn't be using CE when Sukuna used Dismantle on it first.
MinatoSparkle said:
The Sword of Extermination is what's imbued with positive energy.
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It doesn’t change much because Mahoraga didn’t use the Sword of Extermination to send Sukuna flying.
MinatoSparkle said:
Plus, Sukuna used Dismantle again after Mahoraga definitively was using CE and still cut through him (no it wasn't Cleave since the narrator says Cleave fits the criteria of a new attack)
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I don’t see your point about how Cleave fitting as a new attack would disqualify it from being Cleave. Maho was adapting to Slashes it has nothing to do with Dismantle or Cleave. It even survived Sukuna's domain cleave. Which should be 120% more powerfull than normal cleave.
 
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