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You gotta read before responding cause I never cared about overall stats, I was specifically talking about reactions.
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Reactions which fall under the category of speed, yes?
Maki can have the upper advantage in that regard, that's fine. I don't see her being a level above them or anything. Sukuna already has this sort of senses as a jujutsu sorcerer (confirmed). Gojo achieved something similar after awakening. Tho the concept is being a "strong sorcerer" or something.
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Their combat speed and reaction speed are different. The original issue was about Ryu's reaction being equal to Maki's. Idk how you've come to this point nor why Gojo or Sukuna have anything to do with this.
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Sukuna never claimed to get oneshoted by hollow purple +that was an weakened sukuna btw.. Fatal doesnt mean getting "one shotted" lol, and there is literally no proof that the hp was weaker than 100% when he got on sukuna, only your cope and headcannon says that
Holding back his talent
? bro, gojo (while glazing sukuna) himself said that he exploited literally 100% of his body/ talent on trying to deefeat sukuna.wow.. another headcannon with literally no evidence to back up, but youre right broSukuna fans when they get to learn that Megumi has a large CE pool which is far more useful for Sukuna's stats than having a vaguely "stronger" innate physical body:
def not a hand sign right there lmao, you can clearly see how before grabbing sukuna with blue, gojo had both of his hands fully closed, and then, he punches sukuna while placing the other hand exactly above the place where sukuna got hit and start opening the hand sign for red..
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Yeah I don't see them being drastically higher than other tiers above or anything. So y'know: this just comes back in a circle - they're in the same ballpark or tier. Maki can be on the higher end with them on the lower end that's fine with me.
Oh? You sure about that? BET. we can go over it.
He says 致命傷 chimeishou in chapter 234! which means fatal injury or fatal wound together, basically “fatal leading to death”. The kanji phrase has 3 kanji in it when it’s broken down. It’s "chi," which means causing or to cause, "mei" which means life/fate and "shou" which means injury. Put together it’s just fatal wound, something causing death. This is the same Sukuna that has the card of true form to heal himself btw, as well as rct that is garbage but still working. He can also use CE to keep his blood pumping without a heart.
Yes. Weakened Sukuna. So is gojo. They're relative in the second round as they're weakened. But the difference between them is the fact that Gojo's brain damage is located in exactly where his CT is. Sukuna's brain damage is located IN his barrier technique areas. This means that the CT nerf gojo has is more harder on his CT control that also correlates to output, than it is for Sukuna. Sure they're nerfed in stats, but gojo has a worse CT nerf here.
You would know this as I already addressed these stupid arguments you're making, but nah you decided to cherry pick like you always do. W debating.
No proof? Lol. When Sukuna tells US Manga readers, quote on quote:
(Shishiso translation chapter 234 when Sukuna is talking about chapter 223 purple aka "200"): "Even though I took it head on, it only blew away my reinforced arms. (Yes he lost two) Maybe that was because it came from nearly 4km away." -> Continuing to the next paragraph:
"But I'm also not at my best right now. At this distance, even a 100% output purple would cause a fatal wound"
(Tcbscans TL of chapter 234): "He looked to be less than four kilometers away. Yet even taking it head-on, all I lost was both of my enhanced arms." ->
Continuing to the next paragraph on the same panel: "However, I'm not exactly in perfect shape right now. If I take a purple from this distance, even at 100% output, it will likely prove fatal"
So just like hollow purple that was fired at Hanami. It likely dissipated due to the output going out. And this isn't really a new concept honestly. Do you think hollow purple can go on forever without any energy being consumed, that being its output? This is obviously wrong. We all know this. Hell, Sukuna taking it head on lead to the purple dissipating anyways so obviously it consumes energy as it travels, especially when it is hitting anything in its path. Buildings and the like.
? He didn't say that, you're making shit up. Talent was never said. All he said is that he gave his all to reach him, and he lists out what it is, the very same gojo that held back given that he points it out and so does the gang subtly - Can't kill Megumi. That's obviously not literally giving his everything quite literally.Holding back his talent
Though if you read a bit better you'd understand that you're supposed to connect the context from the previous panel where gojo talks about loneliness, human/living creature and connections with others + understanding. Gojo wanted to do that with Sukuna. That's all there is to it.
Also, glazing? Right. Paying your respects to your opponent whilst not fully understanding their abilities (Which is quite literally proven by Sukuna and the narrator explaining as to how Sukuna did certain things, what abilities he has and how they works. Funny as to how fire arrow was treated as "lol not so useful against gojo" by the narrator and Sukuna themselves. Not just because of infinity but also his strength) as to how they killed you to in which you assumed that was their trump card, is glazing.
No evidence but you're here a walking embodiment of a headcanon writer
. Megumi with a incomplete DE holds out against Dagon who is skilled enough in barrier techniques to even adjust the power of his sure hit and the like. And he does it for a long @ss while. Then he goes on to continue fighting even more after this. DE is very much CE consuming. And one of the things we're told about DE IS how CE reserves help out in winning domain battles. This is the same megumi that is below any domain expansion user in barrier techniques
and he held it out against Dagon, a cursed disaster spirit that was hyped up in he exhibition arc to be somewhat comparable to Jogo for some reason. Oh I wonder what we can deduce from this....
Ce reserves. Megumi has a lot of CE reserves. At least more than everybody else not named Yuta and Sukuna.
You sure do love playing stupid. Nice job.
He has his hands closed because he's fighting in combat.
He's not placing his other hand ABOVE. Sukuna is quite literally THERE. LITERALLY came under gojo, and this is where gojo is somewhat crouching here
of course his other hand would open up. Also, you most likely don't know this because you're busy being disingenuous but - Fighters SOMETIMES would subconsciously Have their other hand vacant or open WHEN punching. In gojo's case, he's locked in position with his punch pushing against Sukuna, and his other hand is remaining there. What's even funnier about your stupid interpretation is how you claimed gojo is holding IT pointing at Sukuna's face, when the other HAND is literally BEHIND Sukuna's head in this angle.
Meanwhile your argument that he already has the hand sign there is funny as **** because gojo doesn't say cursed technique reversal. There isn't even a mention OF it on screen even if it was silent and not said verbally. And here you are saying he's already doing the hand sign for red. Who are you trying to fool? BTW I'm sure you'll argue you didn't claim this, BUT THIS IS literally your argument. You're hinging on there being a hand sign already before this. So you can't backtrack here to then say "no he's opening his hand for the hand sign for red"
u genuinely suck at interpreting the Manga more than a hypothetical fusion of Arkenis, guacamole and some couple more. Their fusion multiplier weaker than you in reading
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imagine typing all that
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Decided to see how much he typed, I removed what Light said and the Sukuna and Gojo quotes, its a 982 words.
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I think the bath just affects CT output, but anyways outside of Maki and Yuji, there's Miguel, Sukuna compares his slashes against Yuji and Yuta to the one he used against Ryu as if he's somewhat relative to that version of him, Yuji suggests that Yuta could somewhat fight 15F Sukuna, Yuta can fight Mahoraga who was keeping up with Gojo, etc.
He wasn't so scared he couldn't face Sukuna, but he was still sweating bullets
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We were talking about speed, you just brought up them tanking slashes, zero to do with speed. "There's Miguel" the guy who debuffs his opponent and barely did anything against Sukuna? You brought up Yuji's suggestion about Yuta being able to kill Sukuna, a pointless observation when there's nothing backing Yuji besides a holding back Yuta who we know is weak compared to Ryu who Sukuna bodied. Yuta can't fight Mahoraga where tf did that come from?
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Im saying that in general, Post-Gojo fight Sukuna's stats aren't far off from 16F Sukuna's
The Base Gojo/DE 20F Sukuna stats rival
Ryu is the point of contention so that's a non-argument. I don't disagree that 15F Sukuna slams Yuta in a fight btw, just that if Yuji who saw all of 15F Sukuna in action thought Yuta could take him on, they shouldn't be leagues apart in stats which are the most basic aspect of combat ability
Legit states he and Rika would be effective against it and Agito after observing them in combat for a while
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Makes no sense. Speed and power aren't comparable.
Miguel does NOT scale to them.
Yet we see Sukuna blitzed and one shot Ryu, the guy Yuta struggled with. Think about this.
Yuta can think anything, that means nothing. Go by feats, Yuta is not hitting anywhere comparable to BF Gojo which Mahoraga was tanking several times. Yuta was being overconfident and we're later shown Yuta's assertion was wrong. Hakari basically says Sukuna isn't weak enough for Yuta or Hakari to go out there, so Sukuna at this point would've one shot either of them, Mahoraga who scales comparable would do the same. And then everyone is essentially telling Yuta its not good for him to go out there as Gojo would have to worry about him now too.
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Also they are, his slashes ripped right through Ryu prior yet against Yuji and Yuta who are still weaker than Ryu, tanked it. Also idk how you're even coming to this conclusion when Sukuna's energy level fluctuates depending on who he fights.
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Most of what you said literally gets debunked by the story. Yuji is blatantly wrong for countless reasons that is proven by the manga itself. It's also never said Sukuna's CT output is the only one nerfed here, and if you do ignore that and go forth with that anyways you'd have to tackle with the issue of blatant inconsistency - Sukuna thinks his slashes being weakened to about less than 10% output (Lightning Translation. Not tcb or Viz) is ENOUGH to slaughter Yuji. If this was solely CT, then how the he'll is 1.6F Slashes as strong 16F level??? VERY very inconsistent for many reasons. Gojo would be one shotted right away if the increase is that large. And idk why we'd confuse it as CT only when Sukuna verbatim refers to attacking his friends/combating his friends.
Megumi can disrupt the output towards the CT in the brain but not the CE reinforcement coursing through that same body? Never made sense. And before you 'perhaps' bring up "Uhm. Sukuna says his stats isn't as affected" No. The raws explicitly mention control OVER body. OVER flesh. This is similar to how Kenjaku's hand went on to try and choke him out. It's talking about that control. NOT ce reinforcement.
Now onto further supportive feats: Sukuna with less than 10F level CE reserves (Yuta previously said as to how Sukuna has more than double that of his own CE reserves. This would affect CE output as we all know. Literally the reason as to why many sorcerers get weakened after consuming that much CE from using DE. Of course CE control is equally important if not more and is also responsible for your CE output, but so is CE reserves.
It's also Sukuna's gimmick too especially given that he gains more CE reserves with each finger and, consequently becomes stronger), brain damage that is stated to screw over his output and more, been punched several times by Yuji's output and body control nerfing attacks, and then went on to fight Yuta inside Yuta's domain in a 3vs1 set up + two arms occupied with maintaining output of Hollow wicker basket and with a Domain Debuff applied onto him (his CT. And possibly his stats, but with HWB, as long as he's inside it, his stats will most likely be ok. Only his CT isn't as it travels out in the domain.) and such.
Then that very same Yuta goes on to fight a far more nerfed Sukuna who's missing lot more limbs (that of which is stated in series to nerf your output significantly) and they were relative.
Yuji saying Yuta pre CG fights (Ryu and Uro and more), BEFORE Shinjuku and all that training can somehow fight and defeat 15F Sukuna is just the craziest cap gang.
Also Yuta can't fight Mahoraga? Keep in the mind that it was necessary for Sukuna and Gojo to drop down to Yuta and Hakari's level before joining in the fight, the very same brain damaged gojo and Sukuna, and Sukuna who also can't use his MS CT if they hopped in to fight - meaning they're completely useless to join in. They're not gonna be able to fight Mahoraga who gojo said was on the same level as the others when talking to Agito (He meant Sukuna and Mahoraga) and it kinda shows in feats: Maho and Sukuna are relative.
By the way, I checked the ryu one and honestly - Not only is it heavily implied Sukuna was playing around and thought Ryu as really mid with the weak ass dismantles he threw in chapter 216 (And yet Ryu took such damage from that dismantle), but even in the fight against Yuta & the other two, he does not necessarily say he needed cleave against Ryu, but he did need it for the current opponents. Which makes sense, given that he one tap speed blitzes Ryu with ease and thought Ryu was mid before fighting him.
The raws of chapter 216 Ryu v Sukuna
ははっ 何だお前
三枚に卸す つもりだったが なかなかやるな
"Haha, nice. What’s up with you? I was planning to slice you into three pieces, but you’re actually quite good, aren’t you?"
すまんすまん 見縊っていた 次は本気で やってやる
"Sorry, sorry. I was just testing you. Next time, I’ll hit you for real"
To delve deeper into this in detail: 次は本気でやってやる。
次は (next time) 本気(get serious, means someone will get serious about something, that means before this they are just playing) やってやる( do it )
Like, as an example"Next time I will do it serious"or for another example "Next time I will Get serious about it and do it"
This is the meaning in jap. But if this is in the context of fighting. That means "next time I will get serious and hit you" so he will hit him for real.
Of course none of this means he's trying his best. Heck he didn't try his best in dismantle either, neither did he go for a much stronger dismantle.
So, the context of the scene plays a role in what the meaning becomes and he clearly was not forced to go for cleave because his dismantle supposedly wasn't enough.
Now moving into the true form Sukuna statement in chapter.. 251? 252? Forgot.
"I'm not saying they're as tough as he was, but I can't land a fatal blow if I don't touch & cut them just like I did with him"
This isn't saying he was forced to use cleave against Ryu because he used full output dismantle (Which he doesn't say he did against Ryu. He evidently used low output of diamantle). He's saying in the case of these two, he needs to touch them in order to land a fatal blow. He has to do this here, especially since he's preoccupied with maintaining the barrier, having his slashes weakened in the domain, etc and with his output far below than it used to be alongside these two having somewhat of a resistance to Sukuna's slashes (Sukuna CE coating them, primarily Yuji. Hard to say for Yuta. Though you can disagree with the resistance part through the same CE stuff here shrug) (this is the overall context of the manga to take into, and not just what Sukuna primarily mentions.)
This makes sense since Sukuna actually put in a lot of effort with this dismantle against Yuta and Yuji (the distance further weakened dismantle as it traveled up to them btw. See Kusakabe saying dismantle at zero range is more fatal than at some distance. He says it somewhere around chapter 244-245 after Higuruma's DE)
This is further evident based on the thickness of his slashes that one can see and note.
You can compare the thickness of his slashes to the ones he usually uses. The Manga shows us how shallow the thickness of his slash is when used against Ryu especially when it was only one slash.
Against Mahoraga he used multiple slashes with slightly thicker slashes. Then when the wheel spins (after scene) he sends one slash which is far bigger, indicating a raised output. We also see this when he uses his domain expansion. The slashes are big af in size.
Here are the relevant scans for what I mentioned in several points here
Continuing on: When Sukuna put real effort into his dismantles against Yuta & Yuji, the context:
1. These dismantles were from afar. Quite afar too compared to the one Ryu took being very close. Almost point blank with Ryu's case.
2. The slashes are weakened inside the domain. DE debuff > DA > SD.
3. The one taking the brunt of these slashes in that domain is both Yuji and Yuta. They're sharing the damage, in the sense that the slashes didn't just hit one only but was "shared".
4. Sukuna's output is "extremely trash" and he's sending those slashes out whilst he's maintaining the output of HWB.
Conclusion: They got screwed up real bad by these dismantles that are far weaker than 16F Meguna by a ridiculous amount. And this was also a Yuta with a domain amp that is more stronger than he was before compared to his fight with Ryu. And with these feats and scaling, Ryu obviously cannot be far above Yuta himself in stats as feats itself proves this isn't the case. So it again further proves that Sukuna was holding back his dismantles against Ryu and never really put real effort in them, and in no way did he supposedly have no other choice but to use cleave to kill Ryu.
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I promise you you're wasting your words. A couple sentences is fine.
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It's also funny as to how Yuji didn't seem to have told the others beforehand about Sukuna's open domain or the range and the like beforehand too lol.
Gang. Y'know we went over this Miguel stuff before and I explained extensively as to why this makes no sense. You could, y'know, give it a read? Moving on:
Uh. Yuji saw a massively holding back Sukuna. Sukuna when fighting untamed Maho, indirectly praised Maho for being 3F level, by that he would have lost if he was his 3F level self, and this was at the near end of the fight. So DE and fire arrow ain't letting Sukuna win either. He's gonna lose.
Very much is it also clear in that Sukuna vs maho fight in how casual and at ease Sukuna is, especially when he compared Maho to his 3F self, heavily implying Sukuna was literally holding back the whole time. I deadass doubt Yuji knows much about Sukuna's full output capabilities. But regardless of this, Yuji is wrong at the end of the day.
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I mean. Can't help it. I have that trait to double down and add in quite a big amount of detail to solidify my argument as much as possible. So sorry. Shrug. (Though I sometimes do keep things short ig.)
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@TheGunsFinalWrath I'm sorry but ion really have the energy to have another long debate with you
I said most of what I have to say about the topic in my replies to Guns
Both tied to CE output
I'm not gonna enter this debate again
I said most of what I have to say about the topic in my replies to GunsAgain, fear nerfed
It means a lot when he's a smart fighter that wouldn't just run into a fight he has no chance of winning when he can clearly compare their speed to his
This is Mahoraga after adapting a lot, at first it was getting damaged by Gojo's basic punches
Hakari just says that Sukuna is still stronger than Yuta, that doesn't mean he'd one shot him. Nerfed Sukuna>Yuta~>Mahoraga is fine, Mahoraga was definitely not equal to Gojo and Sukuna
Yes, Gojo was still notably stronger than him, but he was also notably stronger than Mahoraga overall (could fight him in a 1v3 after all), just that it could vaguely keep up.
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"Im saying that in general, Post-Gojo fight Sukuna's stats aren't far off from 16F Sukuna's"
"Yuji suggests that Yuta could somewhat fight 15F Sukuna, Yuta can fight Mahoraga who was keeping up with Gojo, etc."
take a guess without searching, on who said this.
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Well, sure.
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No one is saying they aren't. I'm saying that going off of one does not now allow us to assume the other is comparable to a previous character's form when we have feats going against that.
IM GETTING YOU BANISHED FROM JJK TOPICS.I'm not gonna enter this debate again
THAT ISN'T REAL. FEAR NERFS AREN'T A THING. YOU MADE THAT SHIT UP. THIS ISN'T NARUTO!!!!
YES HE WOULD. HIS FATHER FIGURE IS BEING JUMPED AND ASSAULTED, THE GUY IS VISUALLY ANGERED BY THE EVENTS HE'S WITNESSING.
THAT'S GOJO PUNCHES THAT'S GOJO PUNCHES THAT IS SATORU GOJO PUNCHES. YUTA HAS TROUBLE WITH RYU. READ THE MANGA
YOU'RE WRONG. SUKUNA OR MAHORAGA WOULD'VE BODIED ANYONE WHO STEPPED IN. "MAHORAGA WAS DEFINITELY NOT EQUAL TO GOJO OR SUKUNA" YEAH CUZ YOU WEREN'T READING THE DAMN MANGA. MAHORAGA IS SUPERIOR TO AGITO AND CAN THUS STAY IN THE FIGHT, MAHORAGA TANKED SEVERAL GOJO BLACK FLASHES, THE SAME THING THAT KNOCKED SUKUNA OUT, MAHORAGA CAN HURT GOJO
IT WAS NOT VAGUE AT ALL
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Arkenis can cook??? W arkenis character development chat?
Btw I don't think Mahoraga at any point adapted to black flashes, except for blue amped punches, which is also what made his BF more stronger, so Maho is eventually able to take it. Though at first as we see in chapter 233, he gets knocked down with gojo's punches, even throwing spit in the air from the force. Eventually Mahoraga can now take on these black flashes
Though the reason is because of adaptation (to blue enhanced punches) and also the fact that Gojo's output was on the decline as stated in chapter 233.
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Gojo v Sukuna debate in big 2024
The albino lost and said Sukuna was better #LetItGo
The albino lost and said Sukuna was better #LetItGo
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now we glazing character statements that aren't fully aware as to why they lost and the other person's abilities
but ignoring that - No. Current topic is about something else.
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fatal doesnt mean getting one shotted lmao, you literally said yourself "fatal wound", you also are acting like gojo didnt had literally 4 BF amps lmao, and again, you can yap as much as you want, there is literally no proof that the 200% hp hit sukuna with less than 100% output
its funny how you are trying to debate with the guy that has the 6 eyes lmao ( can literally see if someone is actually going all out via output ), gojo himself said that he gave all he had against sukuna while saying that sukuna was the one holding back..? He didn't say that, you're making shit up. Talent was never said. All he said is that he gave his all to reach him, and he lists out what it is, the very same gojo that held back given that he points it out and so does the gang subtly - Can't kill Megumi. That's obviously not literally giving his everything quite literally.
Though if you read a bit better you'd understand that you're supposed to connect the context from the previous panel where gojo talks about loneliness, human/living creature and connections with others + understanding. Gojo wanted to do that with Sukuna. That's all there is to it.
Also, glazing? Right. Paying your respects to your opponent whilst not fully understanding their abilities (Which is quite literally proven by Sukuna and the narrator explaining as to how Sukuna did certain things, what abilities he has and how they works. Funny as to how fire arrow was treated as "lol not so useful against gojo" by the narrator and Sukuna themselves. Not just because of infinity but also his strength) as to how they killed you to in which you assumed that was their trump card, is glazing.
( also said that sukuna is STRONGER than him.. )
( "didnt even go all out... "even if he didnt had 10S im not sure who wouldve won..." "im GLAD i died by someone STRONGER than me".., thats def glazing bro, get over it
Ok?... Megumi has a lot of ce reverses because he used 1 domain expansion ( and was nearly dying from it ) just like literaly everyone else? Also, holding yourself against someone in an domain clash isnt a "CE RESERVES" feat, its just refinement lol ( gojo vs sukuna is there to prove it ), and prove to me how megumi vessel is better than sukunas true form.. true form is stated as perfection and the peak of a what sorcery could have.. And if weakened meguna can harm and stun a 2 BF amped gojo with just one blow ( meguna also no sold hits from FOUR bf amp gojo..), just imagine what a true form would do by hitting him with 4 arms at the same time lmaoNo evidence but you're here a walking embodiment of a headcanon writer
Megumi with a incomplete DE holds out against Dagon who is skilled enough in barrier techniques to even adjust the power of his sure hit and the like. And he does it for a long @ss while. Then he goes on to continue fighting even more after this. DE is very much CE consuming. And one of the things we're told about DE IS how CE reserves help out in winning domain battles. This is the same megumi that is below any domain expansion user in barrier techniques
Oh I wonder what we can deduce from this....
Ce reserves. Megumi has a lot of CE reserves. At least more than everybody else not named Yuta and Sukuna.
You sure do love playing stupid. Nice job.
He has his hands closed because he's fighting in combat.
He's not placing his other hand ABOVE. Sukuna is quite literally THERE. LITERALLY came under gojo, and this is where gojo is somewhat crouching here
Also, you most likely don't know this because you're busy being disingenuous but - Fighters SOMETIMES would subconsciously Have their other hand vacant or open WHEN punching. In gojo's case, he's locked in position with his punch pushing against Sukuna, and his other hand is remaining there. What's even funnier about your stupid interpretation is how you claimed gojo is holding IT pointing at Sukuna's face, when the other HAND is literally BEHIND Sukuna's head in this angle.
Meanwhile your argument that he already has the hand sign there is funny as **** because gojo doesn't say cursed technique reversal. There isn't even a mention OF it on screen even if it was silent and not said verbally. And here you are saying he's already doing the hand sign for red. Who are you trying to fool? BTW I'm sure you'll argue you didn't claim this, BUT THIS IS literally your argument. You're hinging on there being a hand sign already before this. So you can't backtrack here to then say "no he's opening his hand for the hand sign for red"
u genuinely suck at interpreting the Manga more than a hypothetical fusion of Arkenis, guacamole and some couple more. Their fusion multiplier weaker than you in reading
And about the red thing, you dont have to think that much bro, just compare the 2 domains expansions on chap 229..
the 2nd domain, where sukuna is hit by UV, he were able to tank a punch from a domain enhanced gojo on the chest WHILE being struck by UV and yet, he managed to maintain the domain for more 2:40 min after that
while on the first domain of chap 229, after sukuna taked that attack, the damage was so big that he couldnt maintain and his domain collapsed literally instantly after being hit... this was obviously a red lmao
Gojo with actual physical strenght couldnt damage sukuna enough to destroy his domain even when he was being hit by UV, but somehow, he would destroy sukunas domain instantly by getting some skin off sukunas face with his bare hands? OK lol
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B-But Gojo didn't know about World Slash!! He thought that Sukuna had this since the begin!!!
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#Yapnow we glazing character statements that aren't fully aware as to why they lost and the other person's abilities
but ignoring that - No. Current topic is about something else.
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Yeah it did I just gave you a Japanese breakdown of the definition of what it means and the context of it. You can deny this with copium as you are doing that's fine.
? The 4 black flashes literally comes after that statement. The black flashes like the first black flash and second barely does anything for his declining output. Mahoraga went from getting knocked down with a punch post adaptation and throwing spittle, to tanking black flashes from post 2 BF amped gojo
Post 1 BF gojo.
Output obviously going down as time goes on. This much is obvious by context. Tcb tl says his output is on the decline in chapter 233
Post 2 BF gojo
Post 3 BF gojo
https://imgur.com/o6Qj4R6
Lands his fourth.
When Sukuna talked about 100% output, that was a gojo who still hadn't figured out how to get a rct circuit to make his rct back to a normal level. Post 1 BF gojo, Sukuna was still relative with a gojo who was injured by Mahoraga's slash and Sukuna's Piercing water. That was what the statement currently referred to. And that same gojo still has a ct brain damage. I don't get it as to why you keep yapping garbage that is debunked blatantly by the manga itself. Do you just argue for the sake of arguing or something? Anyways..
Also what? No proof? Dude. Sukuna despite having his transformation card to heal injuries, still thought that a 100% purple at a close distance is FATAL to him. And said fatal QUITE literally means death as the Japanese text heavily implies
this is the same guy that can go without a heart, and have a garbage rct output. The same guy that can also transform to heal. The same guy, who Gojo even implies Sukuna would merely be closer to death (First round) if he took away his lungs and what not in chapter 229, but Sukuna thinks 100% purple has him cooked. he thinks a gojo relative to him in CE output aka stats, with a brain damage, can one shot him with purple. And the funny fact is how this brain damage gojo suffers is more worse for his CT than it is for Sukuna because their brain damage is located in different locations. ???????? You're the one debating with the context of the scene. Gojo talks about connecting, not that he went all out in punching and CT when we see this to be blatantly untrue in both first round and the near end of second round with hollow purple. Best you can say is that Gojo gave his all in second round after the mahoraga adaptation and post chapter 230 as that's when he starts using his CT more than before and is more nerfed than Sukuna is arguably.
When did gojo know someone is going all out in output? You're acting as if he can read CE control
nobody can do this. Do u think gojo can read how skilled you are now? Amazing. Gojo said that he gave his all in connecting with Sukuna, not that he went all out in strength. He might have gone all out in second round as that's when the nerf was acting worse on him, but that's all.
? Him saying Sukuna is holding back is in reference to these so called Trump cards that are more hyped up by gojo than the narrator, who downplays it
he can't hold back in output u should know this if u aren't reading with your eyes closed. That's not glazing? If you die to someone that person is stronger than you. That's really it. A simple concept. The reason why he thinks Sukuna without 10F is a unknown battle is because again he doesn't know Jack about his trump cards and he suddenly got thrown into airport scene so he doesn't know how Sukuna did this. Conveniently Sukuna comes in to explain to us that he did this because of Mahoraga. And that this feat was only possible through Mahoraga.
THE EXPRESSION USED IN THE ORIGINAL IS:
"至難の技".
Which means an unfathomable task that cannot be accomplished, like Hercules' feats, for Sukuna to bypass infinity by himself is impossible, so Makora, his adaptation, was taken. The manga should be read in Japanese sometimes.
This was said in chapter 236 by Sukuna when talking about bypassing infinity
Here’s proof of the phrase being referred to a Herculean task https://meaning-book.com/blog/20190226113144.html
至難の業, しなんのわざ, shinannowaza - Nihongo Master
Herculean task,next to impossible undertaking - Meaning of 至難の業, しなんのわざ, shinannowaza. See complete explanation and more examples and pronunciation.
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Tanoshii Japanese
Listen to the pronunciation, view english meanings, stroke order diagrams and conjugations for 至難の技 (shinannowaza).
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Direct confirmation Sukuna can't win against Gojo and his infinity without World slash aka Mahoraga that gave him the manual for it.
???? Are you stupid. I just explained to you as to how megumi's domain barrier tech skill is practically nothing compared to domain expansion users that have normal domain and not a incomplete one. So for Megumi to hold on like this IS only possible IF he had very very large amount of cursed energy reserves.
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And we're talking about a cursed disaster stated to he comparable to Jogo by Gege. That mf got large amount of CE pool too. Either way thanks for conceding that megumi has a lot of ce reserves. Just further tells us as to how megumi carried Sukuna in his physicals against gojo unironically
truly a 2vs1 from the start ...? You need me to prove what's better between a unquantifiable strength increase that comes only from ""more height more mass" argument (in a verse where Miguel with such build has better physique than Todo, who's got more muscle mass) and large amount of CE pool?
What carries Yuji rn the most. Ce or his innate body?
The answer is obviously CE. What the fk is a true form Sukuna gonna do. Megumi vessel is blatantly better for Sukuna. Even Heian era Sukuna would agree with this and call you stupid for thinking otherwise
not to mention the few statements coming from him and some others about how he preferred his current appearance and the previous one where he wanted Megumi's body all along. True form was not saying what you said.
All it gives him advantage in is being able to do incantation with another mouth whilst having the other available, use other arms to do hand signs whilst fighting and wield two tools with two arms with the other two arms doing something else. the secondary but not mentioned trait is that 4 arms are obviously better for h2h. That's literally it. Anything else you said is just fanfiction writing that puts most twitter Sukuna stans to shame with how ur glazing.
"if weakened meguna can harm and stun with one blow" genuinely what the **** are you smoking.
Chapter 234 where they gang up on Gojo after off guarding him with word slash to cut off his arm thus significantly weakening him?. And Sukuna popped in right after mahoraga came in and punched him, forcefully canceling his CT and thus disrupting his previous CE flow to CT, allowing Sukuna to then land a free blow that vaguely did little to gojo. Is that it?
? He never no sold hits from four bf amp gojo. U should also stop glazing black flash amps when people are brain damage nerfed. I explained why.
One maximum blue output had Sukuna spooked and him alongside Mahoraga unable to come up and save agito in time. couldn't even go in time when that CE spike popped up from the maximum blue output. cooked argument.
gojo healing his wounds back and landing the third BF made him go so fast that Sukuna got spooked by the speed. He tried to throw hands but got clapped in one exchange and thrown away like a soccer.
Sukuna standing next to maho and him alongside maho couldn't do anything but watch (Maho only pulled up a guard in time) gojo come in and land a free BF on Mahoraga's guard. Sukuna got spooked when gojo instantly came around him in fast speed
Meanwhile Sukuna got cooked in one move and thrown like a ball towards Mahoraga came up to try and support, but wasn't fast enough. Gojo lands another black that would have landed on Sukuna if not for Maho. Sukuna only got thrown forward but was slow to react and try to put up a guard. Fortunately for him maho protected him. Skipping forward:
Whilst gojo was busy with Maho. Sukuna popped up some distance away to try and snipe out red. Whilst doing this gojo came in and punched his hands to disrupt his piercing water stance.
Then gojo proceeded to yap faster than the piercing water fired by Sukuna.
And in this yap session, whilst Blue and red was nearing eachother to combine, Mahoraga and Sukuna was as slow as a snail to even get away
low-key looking like blitz to me. But u wanna say Sukuna no sold hits from gojo when he never did this. Best you got is gojo smacking his hands to disrupt his piercing water stance.
Sukuna can punch with 4 arms and it wouldn't matter. We literally see Yuji deal with a similar opponent. Gojo who's stronger and more skilled is definitely handling Sukuna. 3vs1 more difficult to handle than a opponent with 4 arms. Etc. There's also the fact that Gojo could always use angles and positions to his advance where the other arms of Sukuna can't get as much leverage and strength as the other side when punching etc. Literally basically skill really.
In other words you admit you're wrong for yapping.
Compare what? What's there to compare?
? He never tanked shit. Gojo literally made a hole in his chest. That's not tanking. Him being struck by UV doesn't really mean anything here. He's still manifesting his domain expansion and it is FRESH new. Sukuna himself is also domain amped to begin with, alongside domain amplification. Still got a hole done in him.
There's something I don't think you even understand whatsoever: The reason why a domain crumbles after certain minutes is because the durability isn't permanent. It'll weaken overtime. Until it gets destroyed. That's why they have a limit of 3 minutes, and how this happens is different for both - Sukuna destroys it from the outside, but that doesn't mean his own barrier doesn't weaken overtime because there is equal refinement DE clashing out here. So Sukuna's advantage is how the range allows him to have a higher advantage. It's like Sukuna is attacking your weakness, thus dealing more damage than normal. If their range was equal and all that, then both domains would break at the same time in some minutes. Gojo's way of making Sukuna's domain collapse quicker IN return for that, IS his ability to do enough damage to Sukuna where he can't maintain it anymore. This isn't to say you need to punch hard enough - You need to inflict damage again and again till he can't maintain it. That's why Sukuna's DE didn't break in chapter 229 second DE clash from that chest wound that IS very much the same as the one from chapter 228.
It's like you have a certain limit to how long you can hold your DE whilst being continuously wounded - kinda like a "limited" health bar in a game mechanic sense if that makes sense. And this is despite Sukuna's capability of healing himself whilst in his DE when fighting.
Anyway I've disproved your claims of there being a red based off of a non existent hand sign. There is not even a single red mention whatsoever in said panel this took place either. No "cursed technique reversal". Even Sukuna confirms that it was his first time taking red head on with DA in the second round.
? Sukuna only gets hit by UV in Chapter 229, final domain clash, and this made it so that he lost more quicker this time.
"some skin" the said skin that is being healed as Sukuna and gojo got flinged back with Sukuna's face obscured for a moment. That very skin being healed. Yeah his face was torn apart on the side.
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Between heavens and earth, you're truly the jobless one
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Writing a argument on the Internet ain't jobless
i literally only write when I actually have free time. u should take a look at some comicvine debaters instead where some mf's write out 200k long messages or some Shi
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near instant hollow purple and cleared the weather after killing the cursed spirit
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near instant hollow purple and cleared the weather after killing the cursed spirit
Gojo and Nobara exchanged more words here in this short cutscene than they did in the entire manga.
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that's why I'll say this: Gege's writing being carried by the mobile game as they go more in depth, add more missions and events in between the main timeline events and so on
I fear it might have better world building 
carried by anime and game... Splendid Gege Akutami. I shall never forget you for as long as I live..
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Aren't there some light novels, too?that's why I'll say this: Gege's writing being carried by the mobile game as they go more in depth, add more missions and events in between the main timeline events and so on
carried by anime and game... Splendid Gege Akutami. I shall never forget you for as long as I live..
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Yeah it did I just gave you a Japanese breakdown of the definition of what it means and the context of it. You can deny this with copium as you are doing that's fine.
? The 4 black flashes literally comes after that statement. The black flashes like the first black flash and second barely does anything for his declining output. Mahoraga went from getting knocked down with a punch post adaptation and throwing spittle, to tanking black flashes from post 2 BF amped gojo
Post 1 BF gojo.
Fatal wound is a wound that can cause death.. getting oneshotted would mean that sukuna would die instantly
And the reason why maho can block gojos BF's is because that was an gojo withouth any other hax or amp, it was literally just gojo and his reinforcement.., as maho was fully adapted to blue and limitless
Chapter 227, gojo literally sees sukunas outputs getting increased, which obviously mean that he can see one's output lol, and idk why you keep making assumptions of gojo supossedly not going all out when the DUDE himself said that he was lmao, infact, for 50% of the fight, gojo didnt even knew that sukuna was using maho adaptation already ( from chapter 225 to 230 he didnt knew ) so gojo holding back CT is simply not true tooYeah it did I just gave you a Japanese breakdown of the definition of what it means and the context of it. You can deny this with copium as you are doing that's fine.
? The 4 black flashes literally comes after that statement. The black flashes like the first black flash and second barely does anything for his declining output. Mahoraga went from getting knocked down with a punch post adaptation and throwing spittle, to tanking black flashes from post 2 BF amped gojo
Output obviously going down as time goes on. This much is obvious by context. Tcb tl says his output is on the decline in chapter 233
Lands his fourth.
When Sukuna talked about 100% output, that was a gojo who still hadn't figured out how to get a rct circuit to make his rct back to a normal level. Post 1 BF gojo, Sukuna was still relative with a gojo who was injured by Mahoraga's slash and Sukuna's Piercing water. That was what the statement currently referred to. And that same gojo still has a ct brain damage. I don't get it as to why you keep yapping garbage that is debunked blatantly by the manga itself. Do you just argue for the sake of arguing or something? Anyways..
Also what? No proof? Dude. Sukuna despite having his transformation card to heal injuries, still thought that a 100% purple at a close distance is FATAL to him. And said fatal QUITE literally means death as the Japanese text heavily implies
???????? You're the one debating with the context of the scene. Gojo talks about connecting, not that he went all out in punching and CT when we see this to be blatantly untrue in both first round and the near end of second round with hollow purple. Best you can say is that Gojo gave his all in second round after the mahoraga adaptation and post chapter 230 as that's when he starts using his CT more than before and is more nerfed than Sukuna is arguably.
When did gojo know someone is going all out in output? You're acting as if he can read CE control
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i also dont know why you keep bringinp up the hp thing as sukuna literally blocks an hp with atleast 120% output in chap 224, and why do you think that gojo had to use a omnidirectional hollow purple?? because he knew that sukuna could simply dodge or hide from the normal ball one
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"not that he went all out in strength" SAYS WHO? "the guns final wrath"?? lmao, gojo was literally nearly killing himself just from trying to catch with sukuna on the domain clashes bro, how is that not going all out?... a sukuna that was literally playing with gojo at the beginning and yet, he was pressing gojo, and yes, sukuna was holding back for the adaptation lol, just compare how sukuna was fighting at chapter 227 from literally every chapter before and after, at chapter 227, ( even limited at just h2h, while gojo had all his haxs ) he was easily capable of throwing hands with a refreshed brain +domain enhanced +blue and limitless gojo, sukuna outskills and stun the same gojo and even totally immobilize gojo just by holding gojo's legs with his handsGojo said that he gave his all in connecting with Sukuna, not that he went all out in strength. He might have gone all out in second round as that's when the nerf was acting worse on him, but that's all.
? Him saying Sukuna is holding back is in reference to these so called Trump cards that are more hyped up by gojo than the narrator, who downplays it
That's not glazing? If you die to someone that person is stronger than you. That's really it. A simple concept. The reason why he thinks Sukuna without 10F is a unknown battle is because again he doesn't know Jack about his trump cards and he suddenly got thrown into airport scene so he doesn't know how Sukuna did this. Conveniently Sukuna comes in to explain to us that he did this because of Mahoraga. And that this feat was only possible through Mahoraga.
THE EXPRESSION USED IN THE ORIGINAL IS:
"至難の技".
Which means an unfathomable task that cannot be accomplished, like Hercules' feats, for Sukuna to bypass infinity by himself is impossible, so Makora, his adaptation, was taken. The manga should be read in Japanese sometimes.
This was said in chapter 236 by Sukuna when talking about bypassing infinity
but after that, sukuna barely uses D.A and barely fights back, why? because the adaptation requires getting beated..
Not to mention that gojo knew what happened to him, gojo HIMSELF explains and says he would lose and die if sukuna managed to get all the 4 spins on the wheel, so, no, he didnt got caught by surprise lol
