1. okay
I don't see why him hating Amado is such a big deal in this situation. Also, he theoretically wanted to remain in his limited state forever if Jigen remained alive, so submitting his powers to anyone's control shouldn't have been an issue.
Could just be that the reaction caused his power to eventually surpass Jigen. I don't disagree with him surpassing Jigen initially though. He could've been very quick to unlock the Karma.
Yeah I'm not claiming this at all
1. Code an otsusuki worshiper is submitting authority to a non otsusuki ? With another option in play? You don't see how this?
Potentially. Or maybe there isn’t a future where Boruto just tags him with it. Base Code was able to react to Boruto and catch his hand without Karma. Jura isn’t even fazed by WK Code’s Combat Speed, so…
Maybe he just doesn’t have the time to charge it up enough by himself
Unless it has been nerfed I remember no one can touch Boruto while he is in that state.
Jura really sniped his hand then was like "Go do your job boy." Mamushi was great too. Also loved Boruto and Kawaki finally having a talk.
Galactus should NEVER be in the same analogy as the otsutsuki:
doesn't rewrite any universe
the same lore that hardcapped the verse to 5-B with uzuhiko?
That ain't Galactus.Galactus should NEVER be in the same analogy as the otsutsuki:
Are people really taking Boruto's "limitless" statement literally?
1.?? Please read againGalactus should NEVER be in the same analogy as the otsutsuki:
doesn't rewrite any universe
the same lore that hardcapped the verse to 5-B with uzuhiko?
You believe uzuhiko caps the verse?
Not in the way that people seem to think. I don't think Boruto's "limitless" statement should be paired with Uzuhiko's current rating to cap the verse to 5-B.
i know that's ultron lmao. i posted it just to show what massive "eating" feats actually look like, because galactus >>>>> ultron
dont look at me, it was even accepted on this site.
I did. please use better analogies that don't insta-debunk your own argument next time.
it's a soft cap, like it or not. were it really as wrong as you think it is, it wouldn't have been accepted. while powerscaling has a subjective component i don't know why you act like your way of scaling is the only correct way.
For me I just interpret that part as It’s powered by the planet’s rotation and other kinetic energies, which the planet continuously generates. As a result, the longer he charges it, the more powerful it becomes.
There was a thread for that?
No. Nothing has been accepted like that. It might be considered a soft cap for future attempts but it's definitely not a discussion rule yet. Everyone is open to make good arguments just like they are to debunk them.
not an actual thread, but its one reason why further upgrade attempts to shippuden god tiers aren't being accepted for now
Damn, Arc teamed up with HADES?! The Greek God of the Underworld?? Bro really moved up in the world, huh...
Please read all I took my time to craft this
1. Galactus, draws his primary power from the Power Cosmic, energy that is absorbed from planets, particularly those with abundant life forces . The whole reason I even mentioned him was for people claiming the planetary energy is useless for someone that eventually becomes universal.
2. Moving on to the real debate:
While I could argue about the nature of multiple worlds or universes, it ultimately doesn’t matter in this context, as different gods may have created different worlds, as interpreted in the source material and they don’t have to be connected.
Let’s focus on the original manga chapter. You can translate for yourself or ask someone to but this is it below.
Omnipotence (全能)
A god is said to have used this power in the process of creating the world. It’s essentially a programming language for creation (創世). Only an omniscient and omnipotent god can wield this power, which materializes everything. An absolute will—this is omnipotence. It is the divine technique among divine techniques.
Now, let’s break this down further:
Everyone use this so u should know this by now. Sekai (world) in the text can refer to “planet,” “universe,” or “society.” However, in this case, it cannot mean just a planet or society for the following reasons:
1. Momoshiki’s Wordings:
The term “the world” includes Momoshiki’s world, which is not Earth. Momoshiki is an extraterrestrial being who came to Earth to harvest a chakra fruit. He didn’t consider Earth his world, which suggests that when he refers to “world,” (universe) he means a broader, all-encompassing world, not just a single planet or society. This is clear when he speaks to Boruto as if their world both his and Boruto was created by a god. So far he should have had access to this information even before coming to earth as since he came to earth and was defeated by Boruto he became stuck in his body.
This honestly should be enough but let’s go further.
2. Interdimensional Scale:
The ability we’re discussing can rewrite memories on an interdimensional scale, affecting beings beyond the main universe. This points to a scope far beyond a single planet or society in terms of range.
3. Reality-Rewriting
The power is described as a “programming language,” which has already been acknowledged as capable of reality warping , as accepted by the wiki.
4. Peerless Existence:
We have examples like Kaguya, who, despite being downplayed, was at least capable of creating and destroying a 4B constructs over time. The energy she outputs per second with the ETSO places her at least at (5-A). Shibai, having ascended far beyond the Kaguya that absorbed the IT charkra ( I mean she has not ascended yet lol), would naturally be on a different scale altogether . When Momoshiki refers to omnipotence, he notes that it’s a power only an all-knowing, all-powerful god can wield—far beyond someone like Kaguya, whom he saw as inferior to himself. Kaguya would not be able handle this power, in fact no otutsuki can truly wield it like a god hence this statement “it’s a power only an all-knowing, all-powerful god can wield” by extension, Omnipotence surpasses even the Expansive Truth-Seeking Orb (ETSO), making it the most powerful shinjutsu of all shinjustu.
In conclusion, there’s no reason for the Otsutsuki to continuously absorb planetary energy if their end goal were limited to a single planet. Their goal transcends planetary matters, shibai the peerless existence we’ve seen so far, has nigh-omniscience, being able to see all possible futures, pasts, and presents. The true goal of the Otsutsuki goes beyond mere planetary domination lol they literally discard the dried up planet when they are done. They seek something far greater—control over reality itself. Omnipotence the ultimate power, capable of shaping and programming the very fabric of existence.
Edit
Energy that ETSO outputs per second (though downplayed)
491 ronnaton can create about 28 dwarf stars per seconds
3. Finally the reason I stopped arguing for uzuhiko was because I know nothing I say will change the mods minds . I prefer not to waste my energy. If you believe Arc and hades won, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Or down, depends on perspective
Please read all I took my time to craft this
1. Galactus, draws his primary power from the Power Cosmic, energy that is absorbed from planets, particularly those with abundant life forces . The whole reason I even mentioned him was for people claiming the planetary energy is useless for someone that eventually becomes universal.
2. Moving on to the real debate:
While I could argue about the nature of multiple worlds or universes, it ultimately doesn’t matter in this context, as different gods may have created different worlds, as interpreted in the source material and they don’t have to be connected.
Let’s focus on the original manga chapter. You can translate for yourself or ask someone to but this is it below.
Omnipotence (全能)
A god is said to have used this power in the process of creating the world. It’s essentially a programming language for creation (創世). Only an omniscient and omnipotent god can wield this power, which materializes everything. An absolute will—this is omnipotence. It is the divine technique among divine techniques.
Now, let’s break this down further:
Everyone use this so u should know this by now. Sekai (world) in the text can refer to “planet,” “universe,” or “society.” However, in this case, it cannot mean just a planet or society for the following reasons:
1. Momoshiki’s Wordings:
The term “the world” includes Momoshiki’s world, which is not Earth. Momoshiki is an extraterrestrial being who came to Earth to harvest a chakra fruit. He didn’t consider Earth his world, which suggests that when he refers to “world,” (universe) he means a broader, all-encompassing world, not just a single planet or society. This is clear when he speaks to Boruto as if their world both his and Boruto was created by a god. So far he should have had access to this information even before coming to earth as since he came to earth and was defeated by Boruto he became stuck in his body.
This honestly should be enough but let’s go further.
2. Interdimensional Scale:
The ability we’re discussing can rewrite memories on an interdimensional scale, affecting beings beyond the main universe. This points to a scope far beyond a single planet or society in terms of range.
3. Reality-Rewriting
The power is described as a “programming language,” which has already been acknowledged as capable of reality warping , as accepted by the wiki.
4. Peerless Existence:
We have examples like Kaguya, who, despite being downplayed, was at least capable of creating and destroying a 4B constructs over time. The energy she outputs per second with the ETSO places her at least at (5-A). Shibai, having ascended far beyond the Kaguya that absorbed the IT charkra ( I mean she has not ascended yet lol), would naturally be on a different scale altogether . When Momoshiki refers to omnipotence, he notes that it’s a power only an all-knowing, all-powerful god can wield—far beyond someone like Kaguya, whom he saw as inferior to himself. Kaguya would not be able handle this power, in fact no otutsuki can truly wield it like a god hence this statement “it’s a power only an all-knowing, all-powerful god can wield” by extension, Omnipotence surpasses even the Expansive Truth-Seeking Orb (ETSO), making it the most powerful shinjutsu of all shinjustu.
In conclusion, there’s no reason for the Otsutsuki to continuously absorb planetary energy if their end goal were limited to a single planet. Their goal transcends planetary matters, shibai the peerless existence we’ve seen so far, has nigh-omniscience, being able to see all possible futures, pasts, and presents. The true goal of the Otsutsuki goes beyond mere planetary domination lol they literally discard the dried up planet when they are done. They seek something far greater—control over reality itself. Omnipotence the ultimate power, capable of shaping and programming the very fabric of existence.
Edit
Energy that ETSO outputs per second (though downplayed)
491 ronnaton can create about 28 dwarf stars per seconds
3. Finally the reason I stopped arguing for uzuhiko was because I know nothing I say will change the mods minds . I prefer not to waste my energy. If you believe Arc and hades won, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
You mentioned TTC earlier, wanted to ask if you stay in Canada Scarborough.
1. He was referring to the giant tenseigan
