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We should.Do we accept BSM Naruto > 100% Kurama.
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We should.Do we accept BSM Naruto > 100% Kurama.
He should be. Sage Mode not being at least double or more than that of a user's base is the dumbest shit ever considering how it's treated as being an entirely different tier of power back in the Pain Arc.Do we accept BSM Naruto > 100% Kurama.
If we were Dragon Ball, it'd have a 75x statement by now.He should be. Sage Mode not being at least double or more than that of a user's base is the dumbest shit ever considering how it's treated as being an entirely different tier of power back in the Pain Arc.
I'm where?@DavidTPPM you there btw?
I wanna ask you, how confident you would be on Kaguya soloing DBS characters? Especially Zeno via her mind manipI'm where?
Uhhh I'm not really knowledgeable on DB charactersI wanna ask you, how confident you would be on Kaguya soloing DBS characters? Especially Zeno via her mind manip
Kaguya's mind manip are thought based right?Uhhh I'm not really knowledgeable on DB characters
Kaguya shoots light out of her 3rd eyeball and whoever sees the light gets trapped. Normally she reflects it off the moon giving it planetary range.Kaguya's mind manip are thought based right?
Chatgpt ahh answerKaguya shoots light out of her 3rd eyeball and whoever sees the light gets trapped. Normally she reflects it off the moon giving it planetary range.
Well here, Zeno lost to Lady Bone Demon because LBD has her thought based mind manip ability https://vsbattles.com/threads/lady-bone-demon-vs-zeno-7-0-0-grace.173028/Kaguya shoots light out of her 3rd eyeball and whoever sees the light gets trapped. Normally she reflects it off the moon giving it planetary range.
Unless Zeno dodges the light, and if speed was equalized, light would be about 1/10th of either of their speed.Well here, Zeno lost to Lady Bone Demon because LBD has her thought based mind manip ability https://vsbattles.com/threads/lady-bone-demon-vs-zeno-7-0-0-grace.173028/
If Kaguya's mind manip capabilities are thought based, she would win against Zeno and possibly rest of the verse
Zeno doesn't have any combat skillsUnless Zeno dodges the light.
IT is light-based iirc, and both characters are FTL.Zeno doesn't have any combat skills
Also Kaguya could use her genjutsu on him I believe. After Zeno is paralysis, Kaguya can go up to his gyat using deconstruction
Hm well Zeno would still wouldn't dodge as he has the mentality of a childIT is light-based iirc, and both characters are FTL.
Then what's up with other Naruto knowledgable members stating she can use Genjustu without IT and as a In-charactet move?Kaguya shoots light out of her 3rd eyeball and whoever sees the light gets trapped. Normally she reflects it off the moon giving it planetary range.
Yeah, but his attacks would travel faster than IT.Hm well Zeno would still wouldn't dodge as he has the mentality of a child
Hm what about Kaguya's paralysis?Yeah, but his attacks would travel faster than IT.
100% Kurama is way more than 2x 50% Kurama iclHe should be. Sage Mode not being at least double or more than that of a user's base is the dumbest shit ever considering how it's treated as being an entirely different tier of power back in the Pain Arc.
@DavidTPPMHm what about Kaguya's paralysis?
I could see it being slightly more due to Kin + Gin, but how is it way more?100% Kurama is way more than 2x 50% Kurama icl
Well the bigger issue is the light being omnidirectional.Unless Zeno dodges the light, and if speed was equalized, light would be about 1/10th of either of their speed.
Oh yeah she can use regular eye contact based genjustu since she has the powers of the sharingan but she didn't use it on screen since her opponents hard countered genjutsuThen what's up with other Naruto knowledgable members stating she can use Genjustu without IT and as a In-charactet move?
Fear manip based is just from her presence (but that's currently missing from the profile) and her other one works on contact.Hm what about Kaguya's paralysis?
Would you say Kaguya can beat Zeno via these haxes? Because if she does win, it will be a history as able beating a low complex multi characterWell the bigger issue is the light being omnidirectional.
Oh yeah she can use regular eye contact based genjustu since she has the powers of the sharingan but she didn't use it on screen since her opponents hard countered genjutsu
Fear manip based is just from her presence (but that's currently missing from the profile) and her other one works on contact.
Do you mean Yin and Yang?I could see it being slightly more due to Kin + Gin, but how is it way more?
Maybe? We would have to see what DB supporters have to say about it.Would you say Kaguya can beat Zeno via these haxes? Because if she does win, it will be a history as able beating a low complex multi character
Zen'ō erases her before she can do anything.Would you say Kaguya can beat Zeno via these haxes? Because if she does win, it will be a history as able beating a low complex multi character
I think he's talking with speed equalizationZen'ō erases her before she can do anything.
That doesn't even make sense. He's literally at half of his power.100% Kurama is way more than 2x 50% Kurama icl
With speed equalized. Since Kaguya has a thought based genjutsu hax, she would paralysis Zeno and then go deconstruct himZen'ō erases her before she can do anything.
Oh, then it's a bit more debatable, but I still feel like his EE is a lot easier to pull off and is pretty much his first go-to move.I think he's talking with speed equalization
Her genjutsu is not thought based. None of her abilities are thought based except her dimension switching.With speed equalized. Since Kaguya has a thought based genjutsu hax, she would paralysis Zeno and then go deconstruct him
How is visual genjutsu not thought based? Ik you have to like, conjure up chakra and release it out of your eye but you do all that but that's all thought based shenanigansHer genjutsu is not thought based. None of her abilities are thought based except her dimension switching.
Well then Kaguya would likely still win due to Zeno need to raise his arm and clench his fist to erase someoneHer genjutsu is not thought based. None of her abilities are thought based except her dimension switching.
Well then Kaguya would likely still win due to Zeno need to raise his arm and clench his fist to erase someone
You need to actually establish eye contact for it to work and you need to actually activate the visual Jutsu you're using.How is visual genjutsu not thought based? Ik you have to like, conjure up chakra and release it out of your eye but you do all that but that's all thought based shenanigans
Well then Kaguya would likely still win due to Zeno need to raise his arm and clench his fist to erase someone
Zen'ō's EE is far beyond anything the TSOs can do lol. It's also layered.Kaguya would need to like, have prior info tho. Because she doesn't just immediately open up with genjutsu. She would likely monolog about how immortal she is and get erased.
Well it's also a question of how EE works. Because Kaguya should have baseline resistance but Zenos erases you from the history not just present so it might bypass it?
Well if it's like that, then Zeno would start being goofy around as a child. In the Vs thread, it would be who can do the first move mostlyKaguya would need to like, have prior info tho. Because she doesn't just immediately open up with genjutsu. She would likely monolog about how immortal she is and get erased.
Well it's also a question of how EE works. Because Kaguya should have baseline resistance but Zenos erases you from the history not just present so it might bypass it?
Yin and Yang combined are greater than the sum of its parts, it's just like Naruto and SasukeThat doesn't even make sense. He's literally at half of his power.