Marisa vs Asriel

[Eseseso]

Was inspired by this:



SBA

Asriel starts out in his God of Hyperdeath form, but NOT his true form (though he can transform into it if he wishes).

Speed equalized

Location: Where Frisk fought Asriel

Asriel: 6 (@Psychomaster35, @StrymULTRA, @Deidalius, @Greatsage13th, @Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @Brogeefrong)

Marisa: 1 (@Topaz404)

Incon: 1 (@Quibster)

 

[Psychomaster35]

You shouldn't be making any Touhou matchups at the moment, the characters are in the process of being massively revised in the future (As noted on the verse page).

 

[StrymULTRA]

^as said above.

Someone close this.

 

[Eseseso]

You shouldn't be making any Touhou matchups at the moment, the characters are in the process of being massively revised in the future (As noted on the verse page).

Wasn't that before Fuji got permabanned?

I don't know if anyone else is gonna revise Touhou now...

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wasn't that before Fuji got permabanned?

There's still this note:

Note: Please do not create VS threads or content revision threads involving Touhou Project, as the verse is heavily outdated and is being actively worked on.

I don't know if anyone else is gonna revise Touhou now...

@Quibster told that she'll do it iirc.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Wasn't that before Fuji got permabanned?

I don't know if anyone else is gonna revise Touhou now...

Fuji just had to toss it all away with the way it happened.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Wasn't that before Fuji got permabanned?

IIRC some people on the Touhou discussion thread still have contact with Fuji on Discord where she will share what she had planned for the CRT once she's done writing her proposal.

 

[Topaz404]

Hear ye, hear ye. Another message from the Fujsters herself

No images, but the bread and butter of it is
-Yes, she is still working on revisions (shes working on finishing the physiology page)
-Once they are done, they will be posted via proxy
-And finally, the note on the verse page still applies. no Touhou matches until everything is done

Thank you

(Edit: I have been given a go ahead to post the WIP Physi page here, check it out here)

 

[Eseseso]

Hear ye, hear ye. Another message from the Fujsters herself

No images, but the bread and butter of it is
-Yes, she is still working on revisions (shes working on finishing the physiology page)
-Once they are done, they will be posted via proxy
-And finally, the note on the verse page still applies. no Touhou matches until everything is done

Thank you

(Edit: I have been given a go ahead to post the WIP Physi page here, check it out here)

Damn she is cooking up a feast.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Damn she is cooking up a feast.

Even in ban, she still cooks.

 

[Eseseso]

Welp, looks like Vs threads with 2Hou are back on the Menu.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

What's the AP difference?

 

[StrymULTRA]

What's the AP difference?

104 universes vs MWI.

Edit: Nvm is 80 universes for Marisa.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

104 universes vs MWI.

MWI?

 

[Topaz404]

Feels like Marisa just skillstomps
but yeah whats MWI?

 

[StrymULTRA]

MWI?

Many-Words Interpretations, aka the "for each possibility there is a universe where it happens".

Undertale isn't that, but it's comparable in size due to it following a similar infinitely-expanding logic for its multiverse.

 

[Eseseso]

I don't know enough about Marisa's wincons, but Asriel has far higher AP/durability as well as Type 2 Info Manip

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don't know enough about Marisa's wincons, but Asriel has far higher AP/durability as well as Type 2 Info Manip

And passive paralysis.

 

[Topaz404]

this is literally mismatch of the century dear god

 

[StrymULTRA]

Feels like Marisa just skillstomps

Skill when:

• No resistances to Paralysis/Info 2 EE
• No hax to bypass Asriel's ABSURD advantage in stats

Either some stuff in the profile just isn't there, or we have this unfortunate situation

 

[Eseseso]

Skill when:

• No resistances to Paralysis/Info 2 EE
• No hax to bypass Asriel's ABSURD advantage in stats

Either some stuff in the profile just isn't there, or we have this unfortunate situation

Tbf he doesn't start out in his full power form that has passive paralysis, but yeah.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tbf he doesn't start out in his full power form that has passive paralysis, but yeah.

SBA makes the characters start in the strongest form. Although I am not sure if that's how we treat people like Goku who are in a similar situation like Asriel, so if Goku is assumed to start in base, so is Asriel I suppose.

 

[Topaz404]

If Asriel starts in base, then yeah i can see Marisa winning here.
Actually, kinda depends on what equipment Marisa gets

Does she get OE/Ability cards?

 

[Eseseso]

If Asriel starts in base, then yeah i can see Marisa winning here.
Actually, kinda depends on what equipment Marisa gets

Does she get OE/Ability cards?

Are they standard equipment?

If so then sure.

 

[StrymULTRA]

If Asriel starts in base, then yeah i can see Marisa winning here.

With what P&A?

Does she get OE/Ability cards?

If it's Standard Equipment, yes. If Optional it's up to OP.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah checked some Dragon Ball fights and they had to specify whenever a character starts with a form.

Aka Asriel will start in base here.

EDIT: Nvm OP already specified, MB.

 

[Topaz404]

Alright, got some permission to use this
Its (kinda incomplete) justifications page for Touhou P&A, but Marisa gains quite a bit

Marisa P&A: If given all of this, she can just fearhax Asriel, convince him to not fight at all, or just Void EE him. But yeah. Marisa aint as screwed

 

[StrymULTRA]

• Using stuff not in the profile

Not even reading.

 

[ShionAH]

You can't link us a sandbox and say a character wins lol, whats stopping me from making a sanbox where Asriel is boundless

 

[Psychomaster35]

Alright, got some permission to use this
Its (kinda incomplete) justifications page for Touhou P&A, but Marisa gains quite a bit

Marisa P&A: If given all of this, she can just fearhax Asriel, convince him to not fight at all, or just Void EE him. But yeah. Marisa aint as screwed

Then why not make a CRT to at least add these abilities (Even if it means bit by bit)?

Anyways, Marisa's got nothing against passive Paralysis, and it all becomes that one JzBoy animation all over again.

 

[Topaz404]

Then why not make a CRT to at least add these abilities (Even if it means bit by bit)?

Maybe. Maybe. Ill think about it as time goes on

Anyways
Blunder aside

What does Azzy have vs Sheep You Want to Count? Marisa should have it in SBA (Ability Cards), being psuedo-passive. All Marisa needs to do is pick it up, imagine the fight is like a bad dream, and go on with her life. Basically? Fight never happened

 

[ShionAH]

Basically? Fight never happened

Asriel then resests it back

 

[Eseseso]

Then why not make a CRT to at least add these abilities (Even if it means bit by bit)?

Fr.

Anyways, Marisa's got nothing against passive Paralysis, and it all becomes that one JzBoy animation all over again.

Tbf Asriel won't start with passive paralysis.

 

[Topaz404]

Asriel then resests it back

How would he even know whats going on? Acausality Type 1 doesnt give him the ability to just "no u" Subjective Reality. Besides
Its as soon as Marisa picks it up, it happens.

Also
Did i not mention its basically passive?

 

[ShionAH]

Its as soon as Marisa picks it up, it happens.

Okay yeah, Subjective Realy kicks Asriel so Asriel resets it back

 

[StrymULTRA]

How would he even know whats going on? Acausality Type 1 doesnt give him the ability to just "no u" Subjective Reality.

DETERMINATION in itself is literally said that it works in a the same way, if you want to go by semantics.

Plus Asriel can just absorb Marisa if he notices she can "lol nope" fights like he can (and that erases her memories, mind you).

That, or Info 2 EE, it's a NLF to assume she can recover from that without feats.

 

[Topaz404]

not gonna lie that video just seems like Flowey yapping about his life story

And uh- Marisa resists Soul Absorption? Its literally on her profile?? Azzy isnt touching her soul at all. Please. Use your eyes.

Nearly forgot
Marisa literally has passive Probability/Fate hax with her Mini-Hakkero. I see no resistances to such on Azzy's profile

 

[StrymULTRA]

And uh- Marisa resists Soul Absorption? Its literally on her profile?? Azzy isnt touching her soul at all. Please. Use your eyes.

Ok I skipped past that somehow.

But anyway, any answer for Info 2 EE? Asriel kinda leads with that too, given that Marisa isn't Chara, so Asriel won't be interested in playing with her at all.

 

[Topaz404]

Marisa literally has passive Probability/Fate hax with her Mini-Hakkero. I see no resistances to such on Azzy's profile

Fate hax will have Marisa lead with Sheep You Want to Count, and since its passive, it would just end the fight right there and then- Marisa wouldnt be following spell card rules considering this giant goat thing is trying to kill her

 

[StrymULTRA]

Fate hax will have Marisa lead with Sheep You Want to Count, and since its passive, it would just end the fight right there and then- Marisa wouldnt be following spell card rules considering this giant goat thing is trying to kill her

Ok prove that thing will resurrect her from Type 2 Info EE. It's a NLF otherwise lmao.