Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Wait, if Yuta needs to eat an entire finger to copy Itadori's CT, what did he ate to copy Charlie's precog?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yuta has Jacob’s Ladder,

Which he already tanked

Also Yuji is not Sukuna to get roasted. He is not fused with someone else. At best JL works like Powernullification against Yuji which means Yuta also can't use his CT

a more refined Domain,

More refined Domain is not a Wincons for Domain battle it also depends on output.

far more CE,

Which is useless because of him lacking good control and 5min time out for Rika.

and can easily heal from Yuji’s blood poison.

Never claimed this don't know why you even brought it up.
Yuji RCT efficiency is better than Yuta. Yuta will run out faster with his CE than Yuji when comes to RCT.

 

[Lord_Zeref_Dragneel]

My bad I get it now. Pressure is only applied to a single infinitesimal point of your body? Doesnt that spread tho?

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Which he already tanked

Also Yuji is not Sukuna to get roasted. He is not fused with someone else. At best JL works like Powernullification against Yuji which means Yuta also can't use his CT

This was from a weakened Hana with worse output.

More refined Domain is not a Wincons for Domain battle it also depends on output.

Yuta should also be greater in that.

Which is useless because of him lacking good control and 5min time out for Rika.

That’s not true, his control really ain’t that bad, Gojo wants him to be better than himself, he says that.

Never claimed this don't know why you even brought it up.
Yuji RCT efficiency is better than Yuta. Yuta will run out faster with his CE than Yuji when comes to RCT.

Yuta running out of CE is not something that is going to happen in any amount of time.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Honestly with Yuji hitting Black Flash half of time + eating his brothers which grant him a better control + he already absorbing the way how Yuta do his RCT after the body switch, i think his RCT will not running out and is potentially greater than Yuta, like the fourth better RCT only below Hakari, Sukuna and Gojo

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

We don't know what Yuki's domain does or how refined it is

You don't need to know. She had SD and DE. From what Kenjaku saw he was sure about Yuki domain playing a big change in their battle. He had enough information analysis skills to look at Yuki's barrier technique with her SD.

Rika has virtually unlimited CE, is good at CQC, can store CTs and tools and has her own "**** everything in that direction" blast, she is definitely the superior Shikigami of the two

When did Rika displayed any good H2H skills? She got owned by Geto and Ryu in CQC. Yuta also got owned by Ryu. He had upper hands during his CT usage only.

Also Overwhelming Conceptual Mass > Rika.

Not really, I'd say they are pretty comparable

Peak Condition Yuki CQC> Weakened Yuki CQC > Kenjaku CQC > Geto CQC ~ Yuta and Rika CQC.
He might have increased his CQC but still we don't see any good feats later onwards?
If it's Gota that's different thing but definitely not Yuta alone.

Copy is one of the best CTs in the series while Star Rage just let's Yuki hit really hard. It's not bad but the shear versatility of copy, even the version Yuta weilds, makes it far better

It doesn't just hit really hard. It literally overwhelmed Ganesha curse Concept.
Also one hit is a KO for Yuta or atleast make him use more CE for his RCT

Frankly even if he isn't able to beat Yuki her in the 5 minute timeframe (which I think he could) he still has partially manifested Rika and a domain to finish the job

You literally ignored Yuki has her own Shikigami to hold down partial manifested Rika.
Also Yuki herself has DE and SD.

Yuta can use it for much longer because of higher reserves tho

It was never stated. He literally ran out faster against Ryu and Uro attacks with few times RCT usage.

Cursed Speech is negged if the opponent is massively stronger than the user, mass doesn't have anything to do with it

No? Cursed speech can be defended with ear reinforcement and Yuki canonically overwhelmed a Conceptual cursed technique of Ganesha
So don't see her mass not overwhelming Yuta's Cursed speech. Also already said she has the knowledge of this so she would just reinforce her ears.

Just like how Rika can remain partially manifested after the 5 minute mode

Where it was stated?

Which are all very powerful and wildly different techniques. It's not something to just brush aside

Dhruv Shikigami's doesn't have enough AP to kill damage Uro critically so don't see it doing anything to Yuki much.
As for Sky manipulation only one change Yuta will get but Yuki should be able to use RCT or I would argue her mass just punches through his defence like how barriers of Tengen Domain got destroyed by her punch

He can switch between them quickly tho

Which he never displayed? Can I see the scans for how many time he did that.

Her BIQ is good but I think even she'd be overwhelmed trying to figure out and counter every CT Yuta uses

He only has 4 additional CT which is not hard. Only sky manipulation is troubling but she should be fine overall once she gets the idea.

Really? Tell me how mass is gonna help her with Sky Manip, or Jacobs Ladder, or precog

With Precognition it would come down to CQC because Yuta can't use other CT
JL is useless because she is not Cursed objects and it would come to CQC because Yuta can't also use CT
Sky manipulation I explained above.

I don't think Yuta sneaking Kenny should be used for scaling, since the aim clearly was for Yuta to be done as quickly as possible and take as little damage as possible before fighting Sukuna.

Not really he needed to wear down Kenny with Takaba CT he had to use Todo and swap to pull out that sneak attack. So it does shows Yuta doens't having any speed advantage.

Now granted I don't think Yuta would be massively faster than Kenny but I also don't think Yuki is, Kenny was constantly reacting to her and could keep up with an injured Yuki + Garuda + Choso

You know why it become 3 vs 1?
Yuki overwhelmed Kenny and he spammed DE. She got injured. It's really not a fair argument to say Kenny fought 3 people and won. Yuki did had advantage over Kenny. Kenny just had better IQ and DE. Also Tengen messed it up. Lol.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Honestly Yuji is just a smidge above Yuta, like he would win insane diff.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This was from a weakened Hana with worse output.

Whom Sukuna still consider as a threat due to her JL? It's power got reduced ≠ it wasn't working at all. Yuji still tanked it.

Also what stopping Yuji just using SD to reduce the damage. Yuta isn't going to keep spamming his JL until he runs out of CE.
Yuji can also just ran out of JL range just like Sukuna did with Hanas.

Yuta should also be greater in that.

Nuh ha. Yuji DE blitzed Sukuna who had speed to use his DE against Gota. Yuji DE would just blitz Yuta.

That’s not true, his control really ain’t that bad, Gojo wants him to be better than himself, he says that.

No Gojo never stated anything about his expectations. He clearly mentioned his sloppy CE control
To back it up he runs out of CE faster during his confrontation in Sendai.

Yuta running out of CE is not something that is going to happen in any amount of time.

It really happened you skipped JJK manga and read Yuta Kaisen. He canonically ran out of CE during Sendai.
Yuji has better efficiency with RCT due to Blood Manipulation+Death Paintings abilities.
Also he was able to spam RCT nonestop. Fight Sukuna for longest time (Second to Gojo maybe). He also had enough reserve to spam DE

 

[Giannysmag]

You don't need to know. She had SD and DE. From what Kenjaku saw he was sure about Yuki domain playing a big change in their battle. He had enough information analysis skills to look at Yuki's barrier technique with her SD.

When did Rika displayed any good H2H skills? She got owned by Geto and Ryu in CQC. Yuta also got owned by Ryu. He had upper hands during his CT usage only.

Also Overwhelming Conceptual Mass > Rika.

Peak Condition Yuki CQC> Weakened Yuki CQC > Kenjaku CQC > Geto CQC ~ Yuta and Rika CQC.
He might have increased his CQC but still we don't see any good feats later onwards?
If it's Gota that's different thing but definitely not Yuta alone.

It doesn't just hit really hard. It literally overwhelmed Ganesha curse Concept.
Also one hit is a KO for Yuta or atleast make him use more CE for his RCT

You literally ignored Yuki has her own Shikigami to hold down partial manifested Rika.
Also Yuki herself has DE and SD.

It was never stated. He literally ran out faster against Ryu and Uro attacks with few times RCT usage.

No? Cursed speech can be defended with ear reinforcement and Yuki canonically overwhelmed a Conceptual cursed technique of Ganesha
So don't see her mass not overwhelming Yuta's Cursed speech. Also already said she has the knowledge of this so she would just reinforce her ears.

Where it was stated?

Dhruv Shikigami's doesn't have enough AP to kill damage Uro critically so don't see it doing anything to Yuki much.
As for Sky manipulation only one change Yuta will get but Yuki should be able to use RCT or I would argue her mass just punches through his defence like how barriers of Tengen Domain got destroyed by her punch

Which he never displayed? Can I see the scans for how many time he did that.

He only has 4 additional CT which is not hard. Only sky manipulation is troubling but she should be fine overall once she gets the idea.

With Precognition it would come down to CQC because Yuta can't use other CT
JL is useless because she is not Cursed objects and it would come to CQC because Yuta can't also use CT
Sky manipulation I explained above.

Not really he needed to wear down Kenny with Takaba CT he had to use Todo and swap to pull out that sneak attack. So it does shows Yuta doens't having any speed advantage.

You know why it become 3 vs 1?
Yuki overwhelmed Kenny and he spammed DE. She got injured. It's really not a fair argument to say Kenny fought 3 people and won. Yuki did had advantage over Kenny. Kenny just had better IQ and DE. Also Tengen messed it up. Lol.

I dont have the brain power to respond to all this bruh

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I dont have the brain power to respond to all this bruh

Atleast we both agree Yuji > Yuta so peace

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

If Hakari's CE output is so superior to Kashimo's that Kashimo's CT and attacks wouldn't work on him, does this logically mean that any character with higher AP can bypass Gojo's infinity due to more output?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Honestly with Yuji hitting Black Flash half of time + eating his brothers which grant him a better control + he already absorbing the way how Yuta do his RCT after the body switch, i think his RCT will not running out and is potentially greater than Yuta, like the fourth better RCT only below Hakari, Sukuna and Gojo

I mean Yuta ran out of juice in Sendai for healing few times. I can definitely see Yuji RCT being better due to death painting physiology.
Unlike others Yuji can reattach the body parts and patch it up. It shouldn't consume the same CE level as it requires to regenerate the whole part.

 

[Giannysmag]

Atleast we both agree Yuji > Yuta so peace

Of course it's simply the truth

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If Hakari's CE output is so superior to Kashimo's that Kashimo's CT and attacks wouldn't work on him, does this logically mean that any character with higher AP can bypass Gojo's infinity due to more output?

Kashimo never used his CT against Hakari.
It's just Kashimo's CE had electricity property.

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

Kashimo never used his CT against Hakari.
It's just Kashimo's CE had electricity property.

A CT is fueled by CE, so would the same logic still apply, and a larger output can negate it?

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Whom Sukuna still consider as a threat due to her JL? It's power got reduced ≠ it wasn't working at all. Yuji still tanked it.

I didn’t say it wasn’t working at all, but that it was still weakened.

Also what stopping Yuji just using SD to reduce the damage. Yuta isn't going to keep spamming his JL until he runs out of CE.
Yuji can also just ran out of JL range just like Sukuna did with Hanas.

Nuh ha. Yuji DE blitzed Sukuna who had speed to use his DE against Gota. Yuji DE would just blitz Yuta.

???

No Gojo never stated anything about his expectations. He clearly mentioned his sloppy CE control

Right before he talks about his CE control he mentions that Yuta might be more blessed than he is, and that it’d be lame if he didn’t capitalize on it.

To back it up he runs out of CE faster during his confrontation in Sendai.

He was running low, but he wasn’t completely out.

It really happened you skipped JJK manga and read Yuta Kaisen. He canonically ran out of CE during Sendai.

Ran low.

Yuji has better efficiency with RCT due to Blood Manipulation+Death Paintings abilities.
Also he was able to spam RCT nonestop. Fight Sukuna for longest time (Second to Gojo maybe). He also had enough reserve to spam DE

No proof he can spam DE.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

A CT is fueled by CE, so would the same logic still apply, and a larger output can negate it?

Nuh ha
Kashimo CT is which he used against Sukuna.
Lightining discharge is just pure CE. Both are different.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Why do people (Elde) keep downplaying Yuta CQC and wanking everyone else (Kashimo, Yuki)? Like, I don't remember a single instance in which one shows such a wild superiority over the other, if anything Yuta has better showings (mostly because he had more fights).

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

Nuh ha
Kashimo CT is which he used against Sukuna.
Lightining discharge is just pure CE. Both are different.

I'm aware, but I'm referring in general. A CT is fueled by CE, it's a concentration of CE, and if a higher output can negate a lower CE output, wouldn't this mean you can negate a CT by itself if you have far superior AP?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

lo
I dont have the brain power to respond to all this bruh

Bro got cooked

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

If Hakari's CE output is so superior to Kashimo's that Kashimo's CT and attacks wouldn't work on him, does this logically mean that any character with higher AP can bypass Gojo's infinity due to more output?

What bro is yapping about

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I'm aware, but I'm referring in general. A CT is fueled by CE, it's a concentration of CE, and if a higher output can negate a lower CE output, wouldn't this mean you can negate a CT by itself if you have far superior AP?

No?

Sukuna has like 5 times more than Satoru and he was unable to do that against Limintless

 

[Giannysmag]

A CT is fueled by CE, so would the same logic still apply, and a larger output can negate it?

Hakari could negate Kashimos electricity because his CE acted as a shiled against it, which makes sense since electricity is still based in energy.

No reason for that to apply to Gojo bending space time, nor has that ever been implied to be the case

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I didn’t say it wasn’t working at all, but that it was still weakened.

It doesn't change the fact it wouldn't be able to one shot Yuji for sure. If he couldn't one shot Sukuna who is cursed object. Sukuna also got exposed to DE amped JL. So definitely not seeing Yuta doing with with his normal JL shot.

Right before he talks about his CE control he mentions that Yuta might be more blessed than he is, and that it’d be lame if he didn’t capitalize on it.

Blessed ≠ has better control.
Megumi is another example for being a potential man.

He was running low, but he wasn’t completely out.
Ran low.

Ryu couldn't tell how much CE he had when he first saw Yuta he was impressed by amount of CE Yuta had but later few RCT usage he bottomed out.

No proof he can spam DE.

Yeah you read Yuta Kaisen not JJK for sure.
You already had DE wtf are you talking about

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

It doesn't change the fact it wouldn't be able to one shot Yuji for sure. If he couldn't one shot Sukuna who is cursed object. Sukuna also got exposed to DE amped JL. So definitely not seeing Yuta doing with with his normal JL shot.

Yuta also had to help Yuji to save Megumi.

Blessed ≠ has better control.
Megumi is another example for being a potential man.

I didn’t say he had better control, but that Gojo is hard on Yuta, Maki also brings this up.

Ryu couldn't tell how much CE he had when he first saw Yuta he was impressed by amount of CE Yuta had but later few RCT usage he bottomed out.

One, does not mean he had nothing left, just that he didn’t have much more, two, he can still use Rika.

Yeah you read Yuta Kaisen not JJK for sure.

You already had DE wtf are you talking about

Wow, one Domain.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Why do people (Elde) keep downplaying Yuta CQC and wanking everyone else (Kashimo, Yuki)?

Enlighten me some of his best CQC feats.
I literally gave a CQC scaling chain for Yuki.

Peak Condition Yuki CQC> Weakened Yuki CQC > Kenjaku CQC > Geto CQC ~ Yuta and Rika CQC.
He might have increased his CQC but still we don't see any good feats later onwards?
If it's Gota that's different thing but definitely not Yuta alone.

Like, I don't remember a single instance in which one shows such a wild superiority over the other, if anything Yuta has better showings (mostly because he had more fights).

As for Kashimo. I forgot if I ever argued for him having better CQC than Yuta. But I guess. Kashimo whole fighting style is dependent on CQC. If you apply the same logic as you said in last sentence about having more fights. Kashimo definitely had most fights among all Sorcerers during his era.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yuta also had to help Yuji to save Megumi.

MAXIMUM OUTPUT= All out attack.
Output doesn't change. I already said Yuta will stop the attack at one point or Yuji will just ran out of range or use SD to reduce the output like Kusakabe does.

I didn’t say he had better control, but that Gojo is hard on Yuta, Maki also brings this up.

That was during background when Yuta just joined Jujutsu high. Maki is not same current Maki
Gojo stated Yuta's sloppy CE control stuff in recent time period during one month time skip

One, does not mean he had nothing left, just that he didn’t have much more, two, he can still use Rika.

He ran out of his boundless CE to finite within few exchanges you think it's not much?

Wow, one Domain.

Acting like Yuta has two domains

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

People really claim I'm downplaying Yuta's CQC when they can't give me some good CQC feats for him is funny. I mean sure if you think that way but atleast back up what you say. I'm fine with accepting Yuta having better CQC if he really displayed it than others. But first share the scans and whom he overwhelmed with his CQC. Then we can discuss his skills with those.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

MAXIMUM OUTPUT= All out attack.
Output doesn't change. I already said Yuta will stop the attack at one point or Yuji will just ran out of range or use SD to reduce the output like Kusakabe does.

He had a reason to not continue the attack with Sukuna, he wouldn’t have one with Yuji.

That was during background when Yuta just joined Jujutsu high. Maki is not same current Maki

It’s the same person, and it wasn’t when he just joined, he has his current hairstyle, and Maki and Toge had their second year hair.

Gojo stated Yuta's sloppy CE control stuff in recent time period during one month time skip

He said he should work on it, I never claimed it was the greatest.

He ran out of his boundless CE to finite within few exchanges you think it's not much?

Obviously it’s not boundless, and that was him trying to conceal all of his abilities.

Acting like Yuta has two domains

You tried to claim that Yuji can spam his.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He had a reason to not continue the attack with Sukuna, he wouldn’t have one with Yuji.

MAXIMUM OUTPUT= All out attack.
Output doesn't change. I already said Yuta will stop the attack at one point or Yuji will just ran out of range or use SD to reduce the output like Kusakabe does

Read the full arguments again. Tell me if you still not understand the part about Yuji running out of range and using SD to reduce the CT output. Also Yuji is more resistant to JL than Sukuna.

It’s the same person, and it wasn’t when he just joined, he has his current hairstyle, and Maki and Toge had their second year hair.

?

He said he should work on it, I never claimed it was the greatest.

Doesn't change the fact his CE control is not good. Gojo was not saying Yuta's CE control should be in his level. He was disappointed with normal CE control. If it was for higher he wouldn't have brought up Kusakabe lol.

Obviously it’s not boundless, and that was him trying to conceal all of his abilities.

Idk what you are even trying to say here

You tried to claim that Yuji can spam his.

What are you talking about? When did I said that?
Yuji and Yuta both has DE Yuji one is faster than Yuta's canonically and sure hit also faster than Yuta because Yuta DE sure hit is manual

 

[Arkenis]

People really claim I'm downplaying Yuta's CQC when they can't give me some good CQC feats for him is funny. I mean sure if you think that way but atleast back up what you say. I'm fine with accepting Yuta having better CQC if he really displayed it than others. But first share the scans and whom he overwhelmed with his CQC. Then we can discuss his skills with those.

Typical Yuta fans. Dude just spams his cts

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Some good analysis on that scene

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

So there is a possibility that Yuji will die the instant Sukuna dies.

 

[Giannysmag]

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Read the full arguments again. Tell me if you still not understand the part about Yuji running out of range and using SD to reduce the CT output. Also Yuji is more resistant to JL than Sukuna.

?

He’s still going to at least be initially blitzed by JL.

Toge and Maki have their S1 hair, not their JJK0 hair.

Doesn't change the fact his CE control is not good. Gojo was not saying Yuta's CE control should be in his level. He was disappointed with normal CE control. If it was for higher he wouldn't have brought up Kusakabe lol.

This was months before Shinjuku, I have no idea what you’re saying with Kusakabe.

Idk what you are even trying to say here

He was taking more damage than he would’ve if he went all out from the start, and you’re acting as if Yuta had infinite cursed energy that he burned through.

What are you talking about? When did I said that?

You said that he could spam DE.

Yuji and Yuta both has DE Yuji one is faster than Yuta's canonically and sure hit also faster than Yuta because Yuta DE sure hit is manual

He caught a very weakened Sukuna in it, Sukuna’s reserves are less than half of what they used to be.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Even if the h2h difference was that major, in what world is that gonna offset swordsman Yuta and his overpowered jumping partner Rika? 5 minute mode makes this worse because now he has a huge number of good techniques at his disposal. And that sword is gonna HURT given it can press Sukuna and cut off his arms

Also, in WHAT world is Yuji gonna give Yuta any trouble in a domain battle? He just unlocked his, whereas Yuta has had his for a while and even refined it with Gojo's barrier knowledge. If and when Yuji tries and loses, stalling with SD isn't viable because then he has to maintain that while getting pressed by both Yuta and Rika

I don't see why Yuta was being downplayed there. He has extremely secure close-quarters combat ability with a partner Shikigami comparable to him that is always there, a huge amount of techniques at his disposal for five minutes, and a domain refined with the knowledge of one of the best barrier users in the verse

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He’s still going to at least be initially blitzed by JL.

Initially Blitzed is headcanon. Yuta need to make hand signs and fire that thing. Yuji already knows Yuta having JL and he already knows how it gets activated he will use some counter measures and dodge it.

Toge and Maki have their S1 hair, not their JJK0 hair.

Oh brother how many times you gonna change your opinions?

This was months before Shinjuku, I have no idea what you’re saying with Kusakabe.

It wasn't stated Months before Shinjuku. It during that time period. Show me scan for where it was stated Currently Yuta has good CE control.

He was taking more damage than he would’ve if he went all out from the start, and you’re acting as if Yuta had infinite cursed energy that he burned through.

He has boundless CE. Boundless is word used to define something to gasp. The fact Yuta ran out of that while few RCT and hits from Ryu and Uro. Already shows his lack of efficiency.

You said that he could spam DE.

He does

He caught a very weakened Sukuna in it, Sukuna’s reserves are less than half of what they used to be.

That Sukuna literally regained his RCT. Previous he was able to physically damaged Gota. Match his DE speed with his own DE.
Having less CE ≠ Less Output.
You are trolling at this point brother with this argument.