Real Life Big Animals CRT 2

[H3110l12345I20]

I was trying to go and do moa profile. And while we do have a profile on-site, the thing here is that the sizes of Moa heavily varied among species. One adult can even be the size of a turkey (which I'm planning to reconfirm it's 10-C rating for males). That's how inaccurate the profile is.

Unlike other animal profiles, the Moa is an extinct order rather than species in terms of scientific classification. And the fact that it's 9 species are very widespread among an archelpelago means that there will be heavy differences among types of Moa compared to numerous subspecies among a species. The 10-C to 9-C range is heavy compared to subspecies differences like the gray wolf.

I feel conflicted on whether to keep the moa (real world) profile or to take it away. It's not really composite, though the profile assumes the heaviest, tallest bird when we have Moa the size of a Turkey. If we choose to keep it and add Varies from 10-C to 9-C. I don't how that's going to be no different than putting a Varies between 10-C to 9-C among a profile for the canid branch of mammals (a more consistent version of composite canid). I want to see if there's reasoning as to how the current moa profile should be kept without it being "circumventing rules" type of thing or any valid and seemingly weird problem on the profile.

Like, someone might say having a tallest moa profile is redundant, and how is that redundant when the actual profile should technically have a 10-C rating? We can either do a makeover of the profile or delete it (which I would agree with the latter). I already have a profile of the tallest moa as a blog.

 

[Antvasima]

What you have collectively agreed about here can probably be added to our wiki now.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

What you have collectively agreed about here can probably be added to our wiki now.

Important thing for everyone here. The discussion rules say that a minimum of 2 staff members are needed to sign off a change in CRTs (I'll keep this in mind for the future). And the only other person to my knowledge that are the most likely to accept stuff here would be @Dalesean027.

And we have 2 threads worth of this CRT. And some of the proposals are major changes to the profiles. Antvasima, what should we do here? This CRT may take even more time to reevaluate for the staff and for contributors to edit than expected.

Also... Feedback on this page for source credibility standards?

Standards for the Reliability, Trustworthiness and Evaluation of Sources for The Real World On-site

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Also... Feedback on this page for source credibility standards?

Standards for the Reliability, Trustworthiness and Evaluation of Sources for The Real World On-site

vsbattles.fandom.com

bump; added this section into my reply there.

 

[Dalesean027]

bump; added this section into my reply there.

This world probably require its own thread actually

 

[H3110l12345I20]

This world probably require its own thread actually

In that case, I would need to plan that thread eventually and link it in this CRT.

 

[Dalesean027]

In that case, I would need to plan that thread eventually and link it in this CRT.

Yup sounds good and great work!


Is there anything else that needs evaluation here btw

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Is there anything else that needs evaluation here btw

Besides waiting on Ant on what to do about some of these revisions that technically have usually been done by 1 Admin+Bearucrat and 1 very experienced user, not much else on this thread.

Though if you want or if you have the time, you can evaluate either of these calcs here to start small (doesn't have to be all of them):

Black Bear AP KE (The American Black Bear's AP in KE calcs haven't been explicitly confirmed)

Great White Shark Energy & Bottlenose Dolphin KE+the latter's predators' dura

 

[H3110l12345I20]

bump

 

[H3110l12345I20]

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[H3110l12345I20]

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[Antvasima]

@Mr. Bambu @Damage3245 @DemonGodMitchAubin @Wokistan @Armorchompy @AbaddonTheDisappointment @Agnaa

It would be greatly appreciated if any of you are willing to regularly help out here.

Also, what do we currently need to evaluate here?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

The discussion rules say that a minimum of 2 staff members are needed to sign off a change in CRTs (I'll keep this in mind for the future)

That's the problem. And this CRT is pretty much months worth of change at this point. What extra staff member is going to recheck everything in this CRT and then supervise such changes in this CRT in the future?
"In order to ensure that all revisions are thoroughly reviewed and approved, it is necessary for a minimum of two staff members to sign off on any proposed changes. The concluding evaluations must be handled by Thread Moderators, Administrators, and Bureaucrats, who should make an effort to base their evaluations on valid arguments, not personal opinions."

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we need more of them to come and help out here, and preferably ones with some calculation skills, as I mostly only have time to handle my wiki tasks nowadays, which is why I sent a notification to several of them above.

If you create a post that explains everything that you currently need evaluated here, that would be very helpful for them.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Well, we need more of them to come and help out here, and preferably ones with some calculation skills, as I mostly only have time to handle my wiki tasks nowadays, which is why I sent a notification to several of them above.

If you create a post that explains everything that you currently need evaluated here, that would be very helpful for them.

Ok. It's only been you and occasionally other staff like dalesean that's been accepting stuff. That's why I brought the rule up. There's going to be that one person that will eventually say "H3's revisions are invalid since they didn't follow this rule" even though rules are meant for order, and me doing the heavy-lifting in these revisions aren't really doing harm, but helping the IRL animal profiles more.

It's going to take a lot of time and reliving my trauma of someone naive but with good intentions on this. Since I'll have to read like, 30 pages worth of replies to make sure the revisions have a strong logical foundation for them being valid.

Future staff and people following this thread, prepare for a potentially large reply.

 

[Dalesean027]

Ok. It's only been you and occasionally other staff like dalesean that's been accepting stuff. That's why I brought the rule up. There's going to be that one person that will eventually say "H3's revisions are invalid since they didn't follow this rule" even though rules are meant for order, and me doing the heavy-lifting in these revisions aren't really doing harm, but helping the IRL animal profiles more.

It's going to take a lot of time and reliving my trauma of someone naive but with good intentions on this. Since I'll have to read like, 30 pages worth of replies to make sure the revisions have a strong logical foundation for them being valid.

Future staff and people following this thread, prepare for a potentially large reply.

I'll also take a look at some of the calcs above when im off work later today

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you both for helping out.

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizhaa @Colonel_Krukov @Mr. Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @Crabwhale

Are any of you willing to help out here please?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Willing, yes. Time for this may be limited, however. I will try.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you greatly for your help. This is a discussion thread for cleaning up our real world pages, so it is very important, but I have unfortunately been too busy with wiki edit-patrolling work and real world issues to properly help out with it and other content revisions here in this forum.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Elizhaa @Colonel_Krukov @Mr. Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @Crabwhale

Are any of you willing to help out here please?

I got back from work, but what's the current topic? I seem to have been behind on notifications.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Basically this for any staff following vvv

The discussion rules say that a minimum of 2 staff members are needed to sign off a change in CRTs (I'll keep this in mind for the future)...And we have 2 threads worth of this CRT.

Ok. It's only been you and occasionally other staff like dalesean that's been accepting stuff. That's why I brought the rule up. There's going to be that one person that will eventually say "H3's revisions are invalid since they didn't follow this rule" even though rules are meant for order, and me doing the heavy-lifting in these revisions aren't really doing harm, but helping the IRL animal profiles more.

It's going to take a lot of time and reliving my trauma of someone naive but with good intentions on this. Since I'll have to read like, 30 pages worth of replies to make sure the revisions have a strong logical foundation for them being valid.

TL; DR, I need at least 1 more extra staff, a total of 2 to accept future revisions (either Thread Moderators, Administrators, or Bureaucrats). And with a potentially large reply for this second CRT, 3 staff members of the aformentioned types (Thread Moderators, Administrators, or Bureaucrats) or a high-quality assessment of the reply are needed for my potential reread of the 2 threads in order for the revisions to have a logical basis of stay on the profiles. And this is according to the approval rules here.

If I misinterpreted something, feel free to point it out.

 

[Antvasima]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Mr. Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Agnaa @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkGrath @Dereck03 @JustSomeWeirdo @Theglassman12 @Eficiente @DemonGodMitchAubin @Duedate8898 @Planck69 @Armorchompy @CrimsonStarFallen @LordTracer @Emirp sumitpo @EliminatorVenom @Deagonx @FinePoint @Elizio33 @Propellus @AbaddonTheDisappointment

Are any of you willing to regularly help out here please?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Are any of you willing to regularly help out here please?

Hi ant
I returned to support the verse again❤

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. It is very appreciated.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I barely have the time to do much given all my irl problems, so I don't think I can help out regularly. However, if it's something straightforward like evaluating a basic change, I might be able to weigh in from time to time, it's just going to take me a bit, I apologize.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Unsure if this is the correct thread but the closest one i Can find, How dose capybara's not have resistance towards fear manipulation? Since from my general knowledge they show no fear towards anything?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Unsure if this is the correct thread but the closest one i Can find, How dose capybara's not have resistance towards fear manipulation? Since from my general knowledge they show no fear towards anything?

Isn't that some fictional power? Can you provide an source that Capybara doesn't have an biological fear or something like that?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Mr. Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @Agnaa @Just_a_Random_Butler @DarkGrath @Dereck03 @JustSomeWeirdo @Theglassman12 @Eficiente @DemonGodMitchAubin @Duedate8898 @Planck69 @Armorchompy @CrimsonStarFallen @LordTracer @Emirp sumitpo @EliminatorVenom @Deagonx @FinePoint @Elizio33 @Propellus @AbaddonTheDisappointment

Are any of you willing to regularly help out here please?

I have been called to a lot of CRTs lately that require me to investigate a verse I have no interest in or knowledge of, so that I can offer a neutral vote in a matter where not all votes are going to be neutral. This continues to be a trend where more and more people want me to look at more and more CRTs, so often that I'm forgetting about the ones that are less insistent about the matter. And it's always oddball situations, too, where one wonders how they even got to that conclusion, requiring even more work to try to bridge the gaps in understanding in the hopes that it is, in fact, just misunderstanding.

This CRT is for normal animals, something I have no particular knowledge in but agreed to try to assist once.The issue is that this thread is a vast and ongoing effort with no real end-goal, but rather a longstanding dedication to discussing minutiae of various animals that are unlikely to significantly impact the site. I think it is a good effort, but one I really, earnestly do lack the time for on this site: I mostly dedicate my time to working on CRTs and calc evaluations and so on. This should be worked on but the workload compared to priority makes it unfeasible for me to do so.

I defer to my last post here. I can try, but I really do make no promises. Regularly helping a CRT like this is more work than I can really take on when I have no foreknowledge and this particular thread demands it for the close details this thread intends to discuss.

Unsure if this is the correct thread but the closest one i Can find, How dose capybara's not have resistance towards fear manipulation? Since from my general knowledge they show no fear towards anything?

Because Fear Manipulation is the supernatural means of inducing Fear, and we don't know how a Capybara would react to that yet until we try it on them.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Because Fear Manipulation is the supernatural means of inducing Fear, and we don't know how a Capybara would react to that yet until we try it on them.

Alright, was thinking about it since, Capybara's don't show fear to anything. So while thinking about it I was wondering if it was enough for limited or possible. But I guess dose still require feats from supernatrual forces.

 

[Antvasima]

I barely have the time to do much given all my irl problems, so I don't think I can help out regularly. However, if it's something straightforward like evaluating a basic change, I might be able to weigh in from time to time, it's just going to take me a bit, I apologize.

No problem at all. Thank you very much for helping out, and I hope that everything will work out very well for you.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Basically this for any staff following vvv


TL; DR, I need at least 1 more extra staff, a total of 2 to accept future revisions (either Thread Moderators, Administrators, or Bureaucrats). And with a potentially large reply for this second CRT, 3 staff members of the aformentioned types (Thread Moderators, Administrators, or Bureaucrats) or a high-quality assessment of the reply are needed for my potential reread of the 2 threads in order for the revisions to have a logical basis of stay on the profiles. And this is according to the approval rules here.

If I misinterpreted something, feel free to point it out.

This looks reasonable, but what was the most recent topic regarding specific large animals I mean?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I'm in the process of rereading the last thread to see if the changes there have any logical basis of staying. When I'm done, I'll post it here for the whole staff legion to see and evaluate. That's what you guys will be evaluating. So from me, you guys can wait in the meantime.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Necro; while you guys wait, I'll plan to post a staff discussion thread regarding putting credibility of sources we use in our references for IRL pages via my blog here. The link to the thread will be in or shortly after this reply if staff has granted permission for me to post there.

EDIT: Thread has been posted here

 

[Antvasima]

That seems fine to me at least.

 

[Flashlight237]

Necro; while you guys wait, I'll plan to post a staff discussion thread regarding putting credibility of sources we use in our references for IRL pages via my blog here. The link to the thread will be in or shortly after this reply if staff has granted permission for me to post there.

Hey, I'm personally down for it myself.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

EDIT: Thread has been posted here

Made this edit on my reply here. ^^^

 

[H3110l12345I20]

necro.

I'm like, 70-80% done on the reevaluations, though I'm planning to make a grand come back with any Calcs that change the tiers of much of our major and culturally significant animals. It's going to take like, a year considering that I'm in college.

I'll put up a rant reply in another, completely separate thread to all these revisions as to the main motivation why I'm still in the IRL verse. In the meantime, I want permission to implement this blog as a verse-specific rule to scaling real world animals as a staff discussion. I'm starting to get mildly agitated of new users using outdated fallacies like "KE is usable because it's a feat!!!11!1!"

 

[Flashlight237]

I'll put up a rant reply in another, completely separate thread to all these revisions as to the main motivation why I'm still in the IRL verse. In the meantime, I want permission to implement this blog as a verse-specific rule to scaling real world animals as a staff discussion. I'm starting to get mildly agitated of new users using outdated fallacies like "KE is usable because it's a feat!!!11!1!"

I never understood that fallacy, and this is coming from a guy who took part in it. Like, KE doesn't really work as a feat unless if it's used very directly like goat and bull charges.

 

[Antvasima]

necro.

I'm like, 70-80% done on the reevaluations, though I'm planning to make a grand come back with any Calcs that change the tiers of much of our major and culturally significant animals. It's going to take like, a year considering that I'm in college.

I'll put up a rant reply in another, completely separate thread to all these revisions as to the main motivation why I'm still in the IRL verse. In the meantime, I want permission to implement this blog as a verse-specific rule to scaling real world animals as a staff discussion. I'm starting to get mildly agitated of new users using outdated fallacies like "KE is usable because it's a feat!!!11!1!"

I think that this seems like an excellent idea.

@Mr. Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @Dalesean027 @DontTalkDT @Damage3245

What do you think about the draft page linked to above?