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I dont see the inconsistency here, hes not Sukuna who can do anything after seeing it for once, he's as talented as Gojo, the same Gojo who learnt RCT when he was near death, which is the same thing that happened with HiguIt's not. Hig's progression as a sorcerer is already above Yuji's, I'm arguing that him not learning RCT yet Yuji did is inconsistent for Higuruma's narrative. If Gege was being consistent with his portrayal for Hig then it would only be natural Hig should have learned RCT as well.
Read what I said AGAIN before replying. You didn't addressed anything about what I said.So Yuji is just that guy.... but Higuruma, the guy talented as Gojo isn't? That's cope. And yeah RCT is hard to come by, for your average sorcerer, Higuruma is a sorcerer talented as Gojo. Yuji didn't need a life or death situation to do RCT, he trained in a month to do it. Why can't Higuruma? I don't know why you say evolving your ct or lethal domains is rare, we aren't talking about your average sorcerer, we're talking about a hyped up genius sorcerer who learned barrier techs in 12 days and a domain and got to first grade standard with no external training.
SSK has dura neg + can directly attack the soul, which even Gojo can't regenerate with RCT. ISOH nullifies CT at best; it can't do anything against CE reinforcements as far as the story goes. Damage from ISOH can be healed, while that's not the case with SSK. Both have different uses and different plus and negative points. Tell me how ISOH could have nerfed Sukuna better than SSK?ISOH is good against any ct, what are you talking about? It's just random SSK is what Mai decided on instead of the weapon to nullifies ct.
I'm able to open them no problemThey don't work for anyone else
No I meant that Yuji treated a black flash with Maximum output as something not quite the same as a normal Black Flash when he fought Mahito."Well, Yuji separated his normal Black Flashes from a Black Flash with Maximum output"
when did this happen?
He is just finding excuses don't mindGojo understood the theory behind RCT but he couldn't figure out how to actually go through with it. Until, Toji stabbed him. So I'm not sure whats your problem with that
I'll break it down.I dont see the inconsistency here, hes not Sukuna who can do anything after seeing it for once, he's as talented as Gojo, the same Gojo who learnt RCT when he was near death, which is the same thing that happened with Gojo
So just throw out the whole theme that Higuruma's a talented sorcerer and could learn so much in such a short time and instead "lol consequences they grow gg" just admit Gege wasn't thinking or doesn't care about consistency and just wants to create cool scenes cuz that's what its looking like. And this trope about consequences is actuallySorcerers are outright stated to grow more during battle when there are consequences to suffer.
Yuta learned RCT at the thought of his friends dying, Gojo learned RCT before he died, Higuruma learned RCT at death’s door. Similar themes.
That's literally what you guys have been doing for this whole discussion.He is just finding excuses don't mind
How does Yuji getting RCT in a month fit into this? Why didn't Higuruma also train/learn RCT in that month?I don't think the talent thing means much given the radically different circumstances. Gojo was still a child with an undeveloped brain with the only person there who knew RCT being incapable of explaining it to him, alongside him living a relatively easy and undisturbed life where he was never pushed to break his limit, and then when met with such extreme cases he awoke. Higuruma was a middle aged man who trained for a month with numerous proficient RCT users and was pushed into countless life or death scenarios, eventually awakening RCT in the midst of combat. Such radically different backgrounds and conditions, yet equal talent and equal results.
Yuji is stated to have the potential to one day not only surpass Gojo but make the categorisation of "special grade" itself meaningless, are we REALLY shocked that Yuji is growing at the fastest rate in the series?How does Yuji getting RCT in a month fit into this? Why didn't Higuruma also train/learn RCT in that month?
Now that I saw how to read this shit (checking what chapter and page it is from just the link), lets seeDuring the Cursya fight Maki is stated to be incapable of fully utilising her body; Miyo states that her muscles are slacking where Maki's entire lesson from Miyo was to grow stronger, and after his lesson it's stated that everything about her is now different and that she's grown to new heights as a fighter equal to Toji for the first time in 12 years. We know all of this can't be "just a skill thing" given prior to this point curse womb Naoya was able to evade her attack as she was already throwing a punch by a massive distance difference but then a fully evolved curse Naoya - going at his max speed - is casually evaded by Maki at point blank range and is consistently tagged by her punches. This isn't to say that the previous statement of her bodily strength being equal to Toji is wrong, but it is to say that without a particular skill set that Maki could not bring out her full physical capabilities until now. She had the physicality to do these things, but her mind wasn't allowing her too.
Holy ****, you can't be stretching the meaning this muchDuring the Cursya fight Maki is stated to be incapable of fully utilising her body; Miyo states that her muscles are slacking
That scan doesn't prove that though? Also what the f*ck? Did we read the same sh*t? It's clearly about becoming a looser fighter. It's like an art teacher telling you to have a looser shoulder.where Maki's entire lesson from Miyo was to grow stronger
Holy ****, you can't be stretching this THIS MUCH. It's about her attitude and how loose and free she feels afterwards. You can look like an entirely different person without it "being stated that everything about her is now different"and after his lesson it's stated that everything about her is now different
No? This time I can't figure out what scan it is, but this never happened in a way that suggests she got a stat ampand that she's grown to new heights as
She had Toji stats, but Toji stats isn't what makes someone completely equal to Toji.
Yeah, makes sense, he dodged obvious stiff moves, with speed equal to Toji.We know all of this can't be "just a skill thing" given prior to this point curse womb Naoya was able to evade her attack as she was already throwing a punch by a massive distance difference
Ok HERE we get to the real stuff.but then a fully evolved curse Naoya - going at his max speed - is casually evaded by Maki at point blank range and is consistently tagged by her punches.
Yeah, she couldn't use her full Toji-level stuff, aka she couldn't use that precog and wasn't as good of a fighter, but her stats didn't change. Her brain didn't get rewired to give her a 3+ times stat amp to go from subsonic (mach .79), slower than Mach 1 Human Naoya, to supersonic+ or even Mhs+. I'm not done yet tho, this is just part 1This isn't to say that the previous statement of her bodily strength being equal to Toji is wrong, but it is to say that without a particular skill set that Maki could not bring out her full physical capabilities until now. She had the physicality to do these things, but her mind wasn't allowing her too.
Thats not an inconsistency at allI'll break it down.
Higuruma learned barrier techs and reinforcement and became a first grade in 12 days
A month later without any known training he does Domain Amp and RCT.
The story always has his accomplishments accompanied with "in such short time too omg".
So why did he not learn RCT within the month yet Yuji could? A character who is constantly reinforced by Sukuna that he's unimpressive?
You still not addressing my arguments.I'll break it down.
Higuruma learned barrier techs and reinforcement and became a first grade in 12 days
A month later without any known training he does Domain Amp and RCT.
The story always has his accomplishments accompanied with "in such short time too omg".
So why did he not learn RCT within the month yet Yuji could? A character who is constantly reinforced by Sukuna that he's unimpressive?
That's literally what you guys have been doing for this whole discussion.
Me: "Why can't Higuruma have learned RCT within a month?"
Yall: "Well because sorcerers grow when consequences to suffer" "Well Gojo only learned at death" "Well its Yuji's just that guy"
Yuji: I did it in a month...
Yes, precisely. This is Sukuna Kaisen.All talented sorcerers but only when the plot demands it they grow?
Yuji is stated to have the potential to one day not only surpass Gojo but make the categorisation of "special grade" itself meaningless, are we REALLY shocked that Yuji is growing at the fastest rate in the series?
It's also possible Yuji just got it way before Higuruma due to Sukuna using it on him before and his body got a little better understanding instinctivelyThats not an inconsistency at all
Yuji, Hakari, Yuta, Megumi and Higu are all stated to have a potential similar to Gojo
Yet there are differences with how each one is progressing, you're ignoring the fact that Higu is still as talented as Gojo, who didn't learn that until he was near death
Yuji is also someone with the potential to become as good as Gojo so I don't understand why you keep repeating this "why he couldn't but Yuji could" as if Yuji a no one
They all progress in different ways and they are all with the potential to become as good as Gojo, if you can't get this then it's your problem because there's no inconsistency here honestly
The problem is how Gege is portraying it lmao. How are ya not getting this?Yuji is stated to have the potential to one day not only surpass Gojo but make the categorisation of "special grade" itself meaningless, are we REALLY shocked that Yuji is growing at the fastest rate in the series?
If you saw the story how I see it you'd have the same issue. The story flip flops on how accurate its previous portrayal of a character is and then throws it out the window when the plot demands it. Like cool its a developing a story but at some point we gotta realize Gege's just throwing stuff at the wall and everyone's going "wow omg sorcery fighting hehe" like there's nothing's wrong.deadass i cannot tell if arkenis is trolling right now or not
Yuji is a nobody to Sukuna. That's what I'm going off right now, I brought this up before. Who's more reliable when it comes to Yuji? Gojo, his sensei, or Sukuna, the soul inside him for months? The greatest sorcerer in the series skill wise?Yuji is also someone with the potential to become as good as Gojo so I don't understand why you keep repeating this "why he couldn't but Yuji could" as if Yuji a no one
Ok, but this only impacted her stamina.She wasn't losing. Firstly, Maki was already suffering from blood loss, fatigue, and injury - which the narrator states is putting her at a disadvantage against Naoya.
what the f*ck are you talking about?Secondly, we see throughout the fight Maki was counting the time frames of Naoya's movement whilst blocking his hits,
BRUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Missing the point insanely.and Maki explains later that Naoya's speed wasn't the issue but it was his cursed technique which made him so notable
What the f*ck are you talking about? She literally says she can only see his 24fps movement once she has that HR. that's not being unaffected by a cursed technique, that's gaining better perceptions...something her body can now see through as heavenly restriction users aren't as affected by cursed techniques (there's a lot of evidence for this, but I'm fairly certain it's already accepted so I won't both searching for all the scans).
Literally not understanding how projection sorcery works. What he does 1 second in advance is pre-planned.
It seems to me that Higu might be the one progressing in a way similar to GojoIt's also possible Yuji just got it way before Higuruma due to Sukuna using it on him before and his body got a little better understanding instinctivelyand a muscle memorylol.
Gojo lmao. Sukuna couldn't believe that Yuji was able to learn RCT.Yuji is a nobody to Sukuna. That's what I'm going off right now, I brought this up before. Who's more reliable when it comes to Yuji? Gojo, his sensei, or Sukuna, the soul inside him for months? The greatest sorcerer in the series skill wise?
IDEK what the **** the Higuruma one is about, I'm just turning against Rosa on Maki being supersonic+I'm impressed that two whole separate arguments are happening right now
I thought he was trolling yesterday, NGL. I was surprised to hear he wasn't trolling.deadass i cannot tell if arkenis is trolling right now or not
Ofc I will say Gojo and I'm gonna quote you here when Yuji ***** on Sukuna at the end of the mangaYuji is a nobody to Sukuna. That's what I'm going off right now, I brought this up before. Who's more reliable when it comes to Yuji? Gojo, his sensei, or Sukuna, the soul inside him for months? The greatest sorcerer in the series skill wise?
Gojo, his sensei or Sukuna, the number 1 Yuji hater you meanYuji is a nobody to Sukuna. That's what I'm going off right now, I brought this up before. Who's more reliable when it comes to Yuji? Gojo, his sensei, or Sukuna, the soul inside him for months? The greatest sorcerer in the series skill wise?
so for most of your message is you going to each statement and saying "are you really going to stretch the definition of stronger to infer she got stronger?!" whilst claiming it's a skill thing and purely a skill thing, but then you say this. If you admit she's fighting with "stiff moves" which make her easier to dodge, you agree then that she's faster afterwards?Yeah, makes sense, he dodged obvious stiff moves, with speed equal to Toji.
Naoya literally says he'll punch through her whilst he's going at "top speed" and in the panel right before she turned around the narrator confirms Naoya had reached "top speed". No where in the fight did Naoya stop either, you made that up.First, this doesn't show he was going at max speed when she tagged him. It takes him a LONG time to build up to mach 3, and he stopped moving prior to charging at Maki in those other pictures, where she dodged.
When she dodged Naoya in the air, he stopped and said "what the f**ck" before she even hit the ground
To charge up to mach 3, he needs to charge up way more, move to a way further distance, and go in circles for a bit, while here he went immediately to hitting Maki.
Headcanon. If we see a character dodge something at point blank range in this manner, then it's a point blank dodge. You tried bringing up random examples which literally have their individual explanations, such as Maki being able to move her body back to grab the bullet or Yuji leaning backwards to aimdodge it which has been calced to subsonic.Also this "point-blank" range shit is just out of context stuff, because we know Gege always draws like this when he's depicting high-speed movement and people narrowly dodging stuff they're way way way way way slower than.
It wasn't precog, it's enhancing her senses which correlates to a heavenly restriction users stats as HR universally amplifies one's body.Yeah, she couldn't use her full Toji-level stuff, aka she couldn't use that precog and wasn't as good of a fighter, but her stats didn't change.
No one's saying MHS+, but anyway reread my message where I said Maki could have always possessed the stats and just lacked the ability to fully utilise said stats.Her brain didn't get rewired to give her a 3+ times stat amp to go from subsonic (mach .79), slower than Mach 1 Human Naoya, to supersonic+ or even Mhs+.
He failed to prove Gojo is not trustworthy now he directly trying to jump on GegeArkenis is ready to go against the manga when it comes down to his views
A few days ago he was saying we shouldn't trust Gojo on CE manipulation matters because he wanted to cap the ******* verse forever
Now he's saying Gege is inconsistent and Gojo doesn't know about Yuji while Sukuna is the most reliable one about this
When is it said Gojo was trying RCT for that long?Why did Shoko learn RCT long before Gojo, despite Gojo having the Six Eyes and better talent than any other sorcerer? Why did it take him 15 years?
He wasn't shocked by it at all. After this he said "welp that possessed brat will be my main dish"Gojo lmao. Sukuna couldn't believe that Yuji was able to learn RCT.
Next he will create his own jjk novel and argue that its more canon than the mangaHe failed to prove Gojo is not trustworthy now he directly trying to jump on Gege
Ok, but this only impacted her stamina.
ALSO that's the Werry version. TCB says this, which doesn't mean she was nerfed because of blood loss
what the f*ck are you talking about?
She was getting outsped. I surely hope you're not trying to say that she was holding back or letting herself get tagged, because that's headcanon. What the hell was she blocking here? She got tagged:
Exactly my point? His movements are unusual so he's difficult to fight for reason not limited to his speed.She says "You and Naobito aren't JUST FAST". Copied and pasted the dialogue, beacuse I reached the Imgur hourly limit here, but what she says is off is the 24fps movement. They act every 1/24th of a second. That's unusual.
If it was a purely speed thing why would she say it's NOT JUST his speed but also his CT? Keep up, dude.What the f*ck are you talking about? She literally says she can only see his 24fps movement once she has that HR. that's not being unaffected by a cursed technique, that's gaining better perceptions...
In the scan Maki turns once she finished counting to 24, saying "24 times right?", and we know this is the case since Naoya slapped her and so any movement from her outside the pre-determined move set would freeze her in place.Literally not understanding how projection sorcery works. What he does 1 second in advance is pre-planned.
Copying and pasting it:
"BY DIVIDING ONE SECOND INTO 24 FRAMES AND USING ONE'S FIELD OF VIEW AS THE ANGLE OF VIEW... THE USER CAN TRACE A PREDETER- MINED SET OF MOVEMENTS."
They're pre-determined, which is what we see with Naoya vs Choso, where Naoya only responded to FRS Choso BECAUSE he planned on Choso's response.
This is makiphobic, don't be so bigoted otherwise I will report you.You have to be a Makisexual
“Objective” JJK scalers, everyone.Arkenis is ready to go against the manga when it comes down to his views
A few days ago he was saying we shouldn't trust Gojo on CE manipulation matters because he wanted to cap the ******* verse forever
Now he's saying Gege is inconsistent and Gojo doesn't know about Yuji while Sukuna is the most reliable one about this
I ain't going against the manga? That Gojo stuff is true and I know for sure people would have no problem with my argument had I applied it to any other character. Ya just ran with Gojo saying something like its fact. Same way people thought Yuji was gonna get Sukuna's ct cuz Gojo said so, where's the ct at?Arkenis is ready to go against the manga when it comes down to his views
A few days ago he was saying we shouldn't trust Gojo on CE manipulation matters because he wanted to cap the ******* verse forever
Now he's saying Gege is inconsistent and Gojo doesn't know about Yuji while Sukuna is the most reliable one about this
Completely true.If you saw the story how I see it you'd have the same issue. The story flip flops on how accurate its previous portrayal of a character is and then throws it out the window when the plot demands it. Like cool its a developing a story but at some point we gotta realize Gege's just throwing stuff at the wall and everyone's going "wow omg sorcery fighting hehe" like there's nothing's wrong.
He has known about how RCT works he even saysWhen is it said Gojo was trying RCT for that long?
You said 15 years, prove that.He has known about how RCT works he even says
"I have never been able to do it before"
Why do you think he wasn't to able use Red which is reversel technique despite trying it multiple times?
Stop ******* using the broken links dummy, I have to figure out what the **** you're talking about when you use it and so do most other people. learn how to link properly.
No? Her combat speed doesn't change, she can just more fluidly move and fight more effectively.If you admit she's fighting with "stiff moves" which make her easier to dodge, you agree then that she's faster afterwards?
I'm talking about human Naoya there IIRC
They're literally the same shit, AND ESPECIALLY with piercing blood which is canonically faster than Naoya, who can blitz Yuji.Headcanon. If we see a character dodge something at point blank range in this manner, then it's a point blank dodge. You tried bringing up random examples which literally have their individual explanations, such as Maki being able to move her body back to grab the bullet or Yuji leaning backwards to aimdodge it which has been calced to subsonic.
No? that's now he stays in the air.He didn't stop, the air beneath him is still exploding which is the indication of him stacking on projection sorcery.
She doesn't even "enhance" them, she just starts noticing the stuff, and uses it in fights.It wasn't precog, it's enhancing her senses which correlates to a heavenly restriction users stats as HR universally amplifies one's body.
effectively is the word, but she punches at the same speed, reacts at the same speed* and has the same overall combat speed.No one's saying MHS+, but anyway reread my message where I said Maki could have always possessed the stats and just lacked the ability to fully utilise said stats.
It's still ******* mach 1 and insanely faster than someone like Choso, who needs to amp his dynamic visual acuity to see it (granted he can't even do that to mach 1).Exactly my point? His movements are unusual so he's difficult to fight for reason not limited to his speed.
You're downplaying the speed aspect. He's still blitzing everyone.If it was a purely speed thing why would she say it's NOT JUST his speed but also his CT? Keep up, dude.
She finally figured out how the technique worked, hence she could abide by the 24fps rule too. Nothing crazy aside from that AND also Naoya was still moving at peak speed using projection sorceryIn the scan Maki turns once she finished counting to 24, saying "24 times right?", and we know this is the case since Naoya slapped her and so any movement from her outside the pre-determined move set would freeze her in place.
Works for me.Stop ******* using the broken links dummy, I have to figure out what the **** you're talking about when you use it and so do most other people. learn how to link properly.
Ah yes, the ability used by skilled sorcerers in JJK to heal themselves: ReverseRCT is a cursed technique?
This is why never take Gojo fan girls take seriously.