Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

The main issue is the distance between the Earth and Moon, I know we all moan about this statement but still it's relevant

If we take both Dr Slump's Earth size, and the distance between the Moon and Earth: Then either the Moon would take an unholy amount of time to travel around the Earth, or worse it'll move at an unholy speed

We have to take into account that this was still a joke at the end of the day, it’s hypocritical to say we can’t use one statement about a planet’s size because it’s a joke but then use another joke to justify the Earth of Dragon Ball being the same size as our own. And besides, Toriyama wouldn’t have been thinking about the Earth or Moon’s size when making that joke. And there’s still the possibility that the Moon’s distance from the Earth is an exception.

And seeing some of the objections to my calc which ang scales the moon, and I just wonder if we’ve forgotten that Dragon Ball does not take place in a setting similar to our own. It’s not AKIRA after all, we have a monkey boy who literally smashes people into manga panels after all.

And I say if there is any evidence to suggest the Earth of a fictional setting is not the same size as our own, it should not be ignored.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Why does the first calc even use the IRL distance between planets to scale the (supposed) distance between planets in the Solar System?

If the distance between Venus and Earth is the same as Earth's circunference, then obviously the distance between planets is not that exponential. That causes circular logic:

As Earth is X="distance between Earth and Venus", distance between Earth and Venus would be X*X, so the distance between Earth and Venus would be X*X, so Earth circumference could be X*X, so the distance between Earth and Venus would be X*X*X...

The only explanation would be that magically Earth and Venus are millions of times nearer than the other planets... which we have no reasons for think so

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here, but when I attempted to calculate the AU based on the distance between the Venus and Earth in Dr. Slump, I got a distance that was within the radius of Dr. Slump’s Sun

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here, but when I attempted to calculate the AU based on the distance between the Venus and Earth in Dr. Slump, I got a distance that was within the radius of Dr. Slump’s Sun

AU is measured from the Sun's surface, so it's impossible you get something inside the Sun using it

Also, that'd further prove that using a rule of 3 to calculate the supposed new distance between planets using Sun's GBE does not work. The calc assumes that the Sun's GBE is greater due to Earth's radius, and then uses new Sun's GBE to calculate the difference between AUs.

But the distance between Earth and Venus is 0.26 AUs, which, going by the calc's logic, would be 0.26*10^22 something something... but the real distance between Earth and Venus in-verse is 4 billion kilometers (4*10^9 km). So, that logic does not work

And the very scan used to prove the Sun is bigger than Earth proves that the distance between planets is similar, so Venus cannot be an exception

 

[Ryzen7900X]

So i'm a little confused over this. Isnt the angel realm mentioned in DBS multiple times? IIRC the dbs manga even states that Whis's home planet in tenkai (angel/heavenly realm) has a species of bird called jiru-jiru. But some people have said that its a mistranslation and it only referred to zeno's realm?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

AU is measured from the Sun's surface, so it's impossible you get something inside the Sun using it

Wait, how can you verify that’s true? 1 AU is 149,600,000 km while the Sun’s radius is 696,000 km, and don't all units of distance between two objects measure between their centers of gravity?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Wait, how can you verify that’s true? 1 AU is 149,600,000 km while the Sun’s radius is 696,000 km, and don't all units of distance between two objects measure between their centers of gravity?

Light takes ~8 minutes to reach Earth. Obviously, the light that reaches Earth does not come from Sun's core, but its surface

8*60*300000=144000000km≈1UA

It takes a little bit more of 8 minutes, but you should understand with that

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Light takes ~8 minutes to reach Earth. Obviously, the light that reaches Earth does not come from Sun's core, but its surface

8*60*300000=144000000km≈1UA

It takes a little bit more of 8 minutes, but you should understand with that

Okay, I was just unsure since you used a picture over a credible source like NASA verifying that an AU measures from the surface of the Sun over its center.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@JustANormalPerson01 https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._Dragon_Ball_distance_between_Earth_and_Venus

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

You didn't have to put that much effort into something that is not going to be accepted

Anyway, I cannot comment on the calc themselves because I do not know about that branch of physics enough to comment. But at least it is not self-contradictory with the distance stated within Dr Slump

 

[Antvasima]

We should wait until ICE finishes his speed blog

Will do, can this page also be unlocked? the Classic Dragon Ball renders need to be removed and there's a random "moon level" in his attack potency

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[Jaakor48]

So i'm a little confused over this. Isnt the angel realm mentioned in DBS multiple times? IIRC the dbs manga even states that Whis's home planet in tenkai (angel/heavenly realm) has a species of bird called jiru-jiru. But some people have said that its a mistranslation and it only referred to zeno's realm?

If you can get the raw scan, it can easily be confirmed

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Angels come from the celestial realm, Akira's latest work mentions where they come from.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Angels come from the celestial realm, Akira's latest work mentions where they come from.

can you bring the scans for me that mention this realm? I cant access them right now

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

can you bring the scans for me that mention this realm? I cant access them right now

I'll bring it now bro

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

can you bring the scans for me that mention this realm? I cant access them right now

Sand Land-Episode 7

 

[Fezzih_007]

Sand Land-Episode 7

Luffy, why you taking a scan of Sandland? This is supposed to be about DBS

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Angels come from the celestial realm, Akira's latest work mentions where they come from.

Luffy, why you taking a scan of Sandland? This is supposed to be about DBS

...

 

[Fezzih_007]

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Yeah, Sandland mentions, not Dragon Ball, i asking why you think they are the same thing.
Like, I din't watch Sand Land, so i would like clarification, why you assuming the Angel Realm of Sand Land is the same place of Dragon Ball Super, is comfirmed?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yeah, Sandland mentions, not Dragon Ball, i asking why you think they are the same thing.
Like, I din't watch Sand Land, so i would like clarification, why you assuming the Angel Realm of Sand Land is the same place of Dragon Ball Super, is comfirmed?

Because they are from the same creator? The angel carries a staff and because it has similarities, besides the planet being in a Universe that looks like Dragon Ball, Why did also mention celestial realm like Dragon Ball? And besides, was it Akira himself who created the angel?

And because i want it too ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

 

[Fezzih_007]

Because they are from the same creator?

Ah, i was hoping you din't use this argument
They being for the same creator don't mean they are canon to each other, unless you have proof of that being the case, just because they are from the same author, don't mean the terminology are the same.

Like, Dr Slump is a special case, since Dragon Ball actually have a crossover with, but as far i am aware, that's not case for Sandland.

The angel carries a staff and because it has similarities

This guy on the front? Well, they do look similar to angels, sure. But this guy have angel wings and different skin color, so they obsviouly not the same thing.
But even so, they having similarities don't mean they are the related and come from the same place. Unless you have proof

Why did also mention celestial realm like Dragon Ball?

When did Dragon Ball mention celestial realm, and they talking about the angels? I would apreciate if you can provide the episode.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Look if it's not the guy who was bothered by my answer ;-;

 

[Fezzih_007]

Look if it's not the guy who was bothered by my answer ;-;

Yeah, i am "bothered".
I just want to know why when Ryzer asked about mentions of the Angels Realms in DBS (They exist btw, i checked) you made a non sequitur, about Sand Land.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Why is Curupira getting killed by a sword, is he stupid?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Why is Curupira getting killed by a sword, is he stupid?

He did one of Sanji, can't see a woman who is right behind.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

If you haven't given your opinions, go and take a look.

Zeno minor ability addition.

The addition is quite simple. Zeno can erase the DB cosmology which includes realms without space-time Possibly: Nonexistent Erasure type 1 https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nonexistent_Physiology?so=search Agree: speedster352, Killerdrone123, LuffyRuffy46307, @GarrixianXD...

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[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

i do think the average planet in db is way bigger than normal. Remember when champa stated the size of super dragon balls (which was like 3 times bigger than earth IIRC)? He said that they were almost as big as planets. The "almost" part implies that even average planets in db should be as big or bigger than that which should apply to planets like vegeta and namek

Might you have the raw scan for this?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Cell Games Saga revisions (Dragon Ball Z)

This is a continuation of this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/cell-is-getting-nerfed-dragon-ball.157345/ As agreed in that thread, the Solar Kamehameha performed by Cell would not scale to his ordinary statistics due to being a charged Kamehameha - and we have seen numerous times...

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I believe you will want to comment on this nonsense

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Might you have the raw scan for this?

I dont know if raws say the exact same thing but if they do i think this is evidence enough that even average planets in dragon ball are 3x larger than our earth. this would upgrade the GBE of almost every planet destroyed so far including namek and vegeta

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I dont know if raws say the exact same thing but if they do i think this is evidence enough that even average planets in dragon ball are 3x larger than our earth. this would upgrade the GBE of almost every planet destroyed so far including namek and vegeta

Here the second part of it

 

[Damage3245]

I dont know if raws say the exact same thing but if they do i think this is evidence enough that even average planets in dragon ball are 3x larger than our earth. this would upgrade the GBE of almost every planet destroyed so far including namek and vegeta

No, it wouldn't.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

No, it wouldn't.

yes it would lol.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

yes it would lol.

I agree

 

[Jaakor48]

Cell Games Saga revisions (Dragon Ball Z)

This is a continuation of this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/cell-is-getting-nerfed-dragon-ball.157345/ As agreed in that thread, the Solar Kamehameha performed by Cell would not scale to his ordinary statistics due to being a charged Kamehameha - and we have seen numerous times...

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I believe you will want to comment on this nonsense

Trying to get Super perfect cell from 47x above baseline to below baseline because of a Kamehameha is imho, on the level of ridiculousness that was the 5C tien saga

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Trying to get Super perfect cell from 47x above baseline to below baseline because of a Kamehameha is imho, on the level of ridiculousness that was the 5C tien saga

There's nothing you can do, an administrator against a blue member, lol

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I dont know if raws say the exact same thing but if they do i think this is evidence enough that even average planets in dragon ball are 3x larger than our earth.

I’d more say this is the minimum size for what can be considered a planet.

Although do they say the same thing in the anime?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

No, it wouldn't.

What is so wrong about things in Dragon Ball being bigger? It isn’t like our world after all…

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Trying to get Super perfect cell from 47x above baseline to below baseline because of a Kamehameha is imho, on the level of ridiculousness that was the 5C tien saga

And I have my own thoughts on the assumption of calc we use currently for that feat which can be summed up by this:

Cell: BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! Now I have the power to destroy the entire solar system!

Proceeds to only destroy everything from the Sun to the Earth without touching Neptune, the Kuiper Belt, or the Ort Cloud

 

[Antvasima]

I wonder if Toriyama had plans for future stories featuring Zalama, and if future writers will exactly follow his existing notes regarding that.